Yeah, there's no product that is exact fit for 16" diameter. So in the end you might have to customise.

But I remember even for box sub, people have said that a bit of overhang is acceptable since some subs are bigger than the SubDude.

Personal hobby always much more interesting than work huh?

Thanks for getting all the calculations done. Looking forward to your info.

Excellent! The monster is here

Eagerly awaiting the FR...

You have your chance to listen tomorrow right? Ah, too bad I can't join you all.

Thanks for the review!

Very tempted now... but as you said the size is one factor. I think I can deal with that. What I'm afraid of is whether my room can handle the SVS. With my current 12Q already my ceiling vibrates on Iron Man when he walks out of the cave and that's only on half volume! Die lah if SVS was here.

BTW, were you listening at your normal volume?

I agree with u that the sub should match well with the rest of the speakers. In my opinion, the thing u mentioned about "getting a loud bass that drown the main speaker" is a problem with having the sub volume mismatched to the rest of the system. Personally I don't think it is a problem having a monster sub provided you level match it well.

Think about it, the goal is to be able to reproduce the full spectrum of sound from 20Hz - 20kHz and be able to do it at a specific level. Most main speakers can do 40Hz upwards, it's the deeper bass region from 20-40Hz that we need a sub for. Even then not all subs are the same. My 12Q goes down to 25Hz. If I wanted to hear down to 20Hz, I'd need a bigger sub - there's no way around it. Again just to be clear, I'm not saying that the bass volume is turned up high to drown out the main speakers. All I'm saying is to be able to hear the full spectrum of bass at a level matched to the main speakers.

Secondly about what you wrote: "even his 12Q is already blowing his roof off". Please don't make it so dramatic, I merely said that my ceiling vibrates. What is the cause? It must be the way the low frequencies are mixed on Iron Man. With Kung Fu Panda my ceiling doesn't vibrate. So I guess the soundtrack engineer on Iron Man must have put some really low bass on that scene. Now remember my 12Q is only spec'd to 25Hz, there are other lower notes that it cannot play well. Imagine if I had the SVS, it would reproduce down to 20Hz or even lower and this could cause more interactions with my ceiling. Yes, I would get more bass but it is counteracted with hearing more ceiling vibrations which decrease the quality of sound overall. So until I can control/tame the ceiling vibrations I don't think I will upgrade to a bigger sub.

I wonder if the volume level is the same across different brands of receivers. For me I listen at -22 dB. Of course another factor is speaker efficiency.



Yeah, hard to describe with words. I guess I should find some time one day to listen to your SVS then can experience the difference. Not only how low it goes, but for bass articulation, speed & dynamics.



Interesting to see your sub setting. After running Audyssey, my sub is set at -5dB.



At more than 5k, the SVS is beyond many people's bank account. Glad it didn't break yours... so means you have a bigger bank account than most of us

Aiyoh, no need to pijak people like that...

At 30Hz I think still heard. Maybe below 20Hz will be more felt than audible.

It's 155 lbs! Even to unbox might need 2 people, and also for moving position around the room.

Of course still got value. Must bear in mind how much is the SVS. It's all relative.

Not bad.

Square shape outdated? Since when?

The difference is door-to-door includes doing the clearance procedure and then sending from airport to your house. Door-to-airport means you have to engage runner/freight forwarder plus go to airport yourself to pick up (which can present a problem if your car not big enough to fit the sub).

In both cases local taxes still need to be paid.

I think it ends up in the cargo terminal of the airport.

The quote above for which model of SVS?

SVS quote is for shipping only, they don't estimate for tax because that is your responsibility. I think tax is 25% in all as htkaki said before and the tax is applied on both price + shipping cost.

PC12+ has different woofer and has got 3 ports (instead of 1 on the PC-12NSD). Also PC12+ is 5" taller than NSD.

Are you sure? The PC12-NSD uses the NSD-AL woofer as mentioned above. But the PC12+ uses the Plus 12.4 woofer.

The difference can be seen clearly in the pics below (the PC12-NSD on the left):



This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 10 2009, 06:44 PM

See my pics added above. I think you misread what is written on the SVS website and assumed it was the same. Look at the statement u quoted:

"SVS has long built its own woofers. The NSD-AL is one of a continuous evolution back many years now. While affordable there is nothing much "off the shelf" in the nature of this woofer, the heart of any sub. Every part was selected for maximum performance and with this latest NSD rev, we've even put on the stiff, costly and oh so attractive powder-coated aluminum cone stolen from our equally famous Plus 12.3 woofer."

All it says is that the NSD-AL takes the cone from the 12.3 woofer. What about the voice coil or the magnet structure or the basket design? These were not incorporated into the NSD-AL. And note that even the cone is from 12.3, the previous generation. Now is 12.4 already where no doubt the cone and the other stuff (voice coil or the magnet structure or the basket design) have been improved over 12.3.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jun 10 2009, 06:51 PM

Agreed, but didn't want you to be under wrong impression it is the same woofer as PC12+ or spreading info that it's the same woofer.