trainee from Singapore also considered as cheap labour???

different ppl got different perspective..

That's pretty good. What do you do?

no sorry i dun mean tat
is it cause of their quota or something?

anyone worked in IOCS b4?

Project Manager for M&E company.
The boss told me need to attend a lot of site meeting.

u've xp as a pm b4 right?

$4.2k with company car sounds pretty decent.

Project Manager with 4.2k only? Title not matching with salary range..

Titles are not consistent across the board and all industries.

In my company, the "manager" payscale starts at S$14K per month (about 200K per annum including bonuses). Everyone below that is either Analyst or Specialist (if you're in a technical function).

Causes a big confusion when we send our resumes to recruiters or other employers... because as you say... the title is not matching with the salary. But in the end, all that matters is the salary.

What to do ?
We are Malaysian mah, can't compare with those getting expatriate package.
$4.2 k and no need take mrt or bus in Singapore leh. That's means my transportation fees are taken care off.
Actually I'm very happy already.
If got chance, of course will climb up the ladder lah or job hop to better pay job.

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Added on June 26, 2009, 1:21 pmSean Tang,

Since I got car, is that advisable to rent a room in JB stay and come over to Singapore work ?
My job is very flexible in working hours because I got few site to go around and not station in one place.
Thanks.

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Added on June 26, 2009, 1:23 pm

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Added on June 26, 2009, 1:24 pmYes man.

This post has been edited by radish: Jun 26 2009, 01:24 PM

Hi, mind telling what industry are you in? S$14k is quite alot..how many years of experience do you need for managerial position?

Up to you if you don't mind crossing the causeway or 2nd Link frequently.

In my opinion, the only thing you save is rental. Food & groceries... how much can one person eat? For whatever rental you save, you pay for it in wasted time going through immigration. You've got to decide for yourself.

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Added on June 26, 2009, 2:54 pmChemicals MNC.

How many years of experience... it depends.

Best case scenario (if you're identified very early as a future leader), it'll take you 6-9 years to be a manager after joining as a fresh grad. Probably 1 in 300 junior employees type of calibre and closer to 1 in 1000 if you're not based in US or Europe. These people are groomed to be future senior directors and VPs - from which the global management teams are selected.

If you're identified as high potential, it'll be slightly longer... around 10-15 years.

If you're well above average (but somehow management did not monitor your career from early on... for eg. late bloomers), you'll probably be around 40-45 when they decide they've tested you sufficiently, and you're capable enough to be made a manager.

If you're average... you will probably retire without ever becoming a manager especially if you are working at a small location where the bigger jobs are few and far between.

--- Having said that, lots of the people supervisors (especially those supervising fairly junior people) and heads of the smaller departments are not managers.

This post has been edited by seantang: Jun 26 2009, 02:58 PM

Hi people

My 1st job was a bit too stressful for me, as the previous company that hired me have no designers at all. It was tough for me as I was a fresh graduate with no experience. So I couldn't really handle the workload, plus the servicing accounts people resigned a month after I entered, so I had to take over their work too. Stayed for 8months.

Now I'm working as a junior web designer in my 2nd job for 1 year already. Is SGD1.4k too low? My other friends are shocked that I'm earning this amount and still holding a work permit, even though I'm a degree holder. So, ya~ that's my working life in Singapore.

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Added on June 26, 2009, 2:54 pmChemicals MNC.

How many years of experience... it depends.

Best case scenario (if you're identified very early as a future leader), it'll take you 6-9 years to be a manager after joining as a fresh grad. Probably 1 in 300 junior employees type of calibre and closer to 1 in 1000 if you're not based in US or Europe. These people are groomed to be future senior directors and VPs - from which the global management teams are selected.

If you're identified as high potential, it'll be slightly longer... around 10-15 years.

If you're well above average (but somehow management did not monitor your career from early on... for eg. late bloomers), you'll probably be around 40-45 when they decide they've tested you sufficiently, and you're capable enough to be made a manager.

If you're average... you will probably retire without ever becoming a manager especially if you are working at a small location where the bigger jobs are few and far between.

--- Having said that, lots of the people supervisors (especially those supervising fairly junior people) and heads of the smaller departments are not managers.

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I see, managers in your company are equivalent to senior managers in others companies....senior managers in my company are earning around that figure..

Radish,

First check whether your company car is allowed to cross the Causeway because most if not all company registered cars are not allowed to cross into Msia. Next go to JPJ and extract your license information to do the conversion of your license.

Anyway $4.2k is good salary especially at this time of economic uncertainty, one more thing to take note if this is your first time driving in S'pore get yourself a GPS it helps tremendously.

This post has been edited by StonerJuan: Jun 26 2009, 04:42 PM

I said that because I'm working on project basis, as far as i know, my manager salary is about 15-20k, so I can imagine my project manager earning more than that figure..

Anyway, it's just a title, I hope to working on freelance project in the future, less resposiblitiy and company hire u for your specialist..

Must be a pretty big project.

Sounds like my case. Anything pm me. Try to discuss.

i was just wondering something. Can anyone help me on this. I was a PR in Singapore before during my student days. I canceled my PR because i wanted to complete my further studies in Australia and also because of NS reasons. I am thinking of coming back to Singapore to work again. Do you think that it is possible for the Singapore government to actually grant me a PR based on this?
Thanks

not easy, considering you 'skipped' NS. Chances are not high.