Hi guys, I'm actually conducting a study on starting a restaurant business somewhere either in a shopping mall or in a stand alone independent shop.

I'm only 19 ):

So can you please help me out by letting me know

What are all the legal necessities of running a restaurant. What are the permits/licesnes and fees which I have to apply for/pay before I can start my business

As far as I know

I have to register my company with the SSM (suruhanjaya syarikat malaysia)

Then i have to apply for a license from the local municipal council

Halal certification (if necessary)

what else is therE? please enlighten. I will appreciate all the help given, thanks a lot in advance.

where do u 1 2 open your restaurant? which area?

Somwehre in Sunway/Subang

Either in a shopping mall

an independent shop

or a shop in a building

what type of restaurant you 1 2 open? Western, Chinese, Malay, Oriental, Indian?

um french

why is this important lol?

Do u know how to cook? Or u just depend on the chef?

This question is important.

wth =.=

yes i know how to cook. i come from france

SOOOOOOOO

wad r the licensing/registrations required

dun play laaaaa wth

Who said we are playing with u? We are not playing with u...we are asking u in a very POLITE manner lioa...
These question is very important..

Hi,

Depends what type of business you want to register.

A sole-proprietor, Partnership, Private Limited.
If you are owning this business alone, and do not have business partners, then you should go for sole-proprietor [it's cheaper than registering a private limited] though it does has it's downsides. Registering a private limited would protect you from a lot of liabilities, but it's more expensive, probably around RM2,000 if you hire people to register for you.

That's the registration part. Next you have to see if you want to get the 'HALAL' approval or not. Then there's also business premises permit etc. There's really alot to look into. Good luck

For the HALAL approval, you need to see JAKIM and ask them to approve.

Yeah. But the requirement is you have to have Muslim cooks.

you come from france but you type like youre malaysian...

Oh like that means.....TS either you register your business as Ptd Ltd take 1 Muslim cook as partner, or employ a Muslim cook and still keep your business to solo propertiership

The halal thing I'm not too concerned, even if I dont get halal certification its okay

So basically

I have to register my company with SSM (suruhanjaya syarikat malaysia)

then get the license from MPSJ/MPPJ or osmething is it

anything else?

for ppl doing warung la not only have to have SSM and Majlis license they also need to get some vaccination from hospital... but i dont know if this applies to ppl doing restaurant

oh yeah typhoid..

you do a warung and those r the 3 things u need? thts all?

Check the traffic of the mall vs the shop.
Build a Profit and Loss forecast by month for 2 years. Change your assumptions and see how this will impact your P&L. Then you will have a better idea what is required to sustain your business under different scenarios.

i have to include the costs of licenses and other fees i have to pay

thats why im asking

i know..

Few stuffs I can excrete out for you:

1) Chefs - where are you to get them, the legality of it (foreigners) and their visa requirements.
2) Standardization of food quality and taste - one chef's cooking differs from another. You know how to cook, but how are you to run the business if you're doing the cooking all the time?

haha omg

seriously i appreciate all the concern and wadever not

but im really looking for all the LICENSES/FEES/REGISTRATION which have to be done before I can start a business

because there is a portion of my project

which requires me to list it down

so far

the ones i know is the ones wehre i have to register my company with SSM
then i have to apply for a license with the municipal council
then perhaps Halal status from jakim

wad else people??

Remember the Fire Department as well. I think you will need to pay some fees or buy some fire extinguishers from them.

and you need to go for a body checkup ...

Water bill, Electricity bill lehh....need to think that also la brother...and the most IMPORTANT thing is the price of your food vs your competitor...If you can produce nice and cheap food, AT LEAST, you are safe already..

It seems the most important part has been ommitted. You will need tons of $$$ for reno, equipment, deposits etc

omg??

i think i already mentioned a million times

i just want to know, the legal and governmental formalities that i need to fulfil before I can run a business. No need to worry about my capital, no need to worry about my premises, no need to worry about my human resources, no need to worry about my costing, no need to worry about my plates and cups and forks and spoons and cups and coffee machines and ovens and microwave ovens and sinks and lights and fans and airconds

JUST THE LEGAL AND GOVERNMENTAL FORMALITIES

like

LICENSING
PERMITS
FEES

omg? i dont think i can be any clearer. thank you for all the help

So apart from registering with the SSM or the suruhanjaya syarikat malaysia and getting an operating license from the respective local municipal council, I also need to register with the fire department in view of fire exits/extinguishers/smoke detectors etc. Okay. What else??

Yeah, you will need a work permit for all foreign staff who works in the restaurant, even the owner will not be exempted.

With that attitude of yours to demand help, why don't you ask in a more appropriate forum?

what is your problem?

you want to start up a business - got registered company, business license and operating permit enough already lah.

you keep saying that there is something else, but kindly consider that there is NOTHING ELSE. good luck man, you'l need it.

haha, good luck TS, perhaps u can get help from those company registration agent, they will take care of everything for you. Asking all this question here will never help, this people are all as young as you, so they also don't know.

TS doesn't want to start up his own business. he just wan to know the procedures of starting up a restaurant for his assignment.

means wan to do homework but dun wan to ask nicely la ....TS not saying hes from france ma...hehe

TS,

if you want to open a restaurant, i think you have to submit your shop design layout as well. u need to get it approved b4 u can start renovation.

As long your design renovation is within your shop landscape, there shouldn't need any approaval. Unless you do extrude balcony, beam & etc then you may need approval.

haha, lol, good luck TS

if u plan on playing music in your restaurant u will need license.

http://www.ppm.org.my/v2/main.asp

if you are opening up a restaurant as a foreigner , probably you need to check their site

http://www.ssm.com.my/en/faq_privatelimited.php



What condition must be met if a foreigner wishes to be form a company ?

A foreigner who wishes to be a company director must be above 18 years of age and have a principal or only place of residence within Malaysia (Section 122 of the Company Act 1965).


Not sure if this applies to Sole Proprieter. but i guess there is a hint up there.

This post has been edited by joshuayip: May 11 2009, 11:38 PM

Hey fren,

Are you really into opening a biz? You sound to me you are more of doing an assignment and just need input. Who on earth would do a biz without considering the capital? If you are doing a project, just let us know, we can give you direct input.

do project la TS...

thanks to TS for creating this thread..

me n my frenz plans to start a cafe business somewhere nearby Kuchai Lama/old klang road area.. now in d midst surveying d location...
we will mainly targeting student/sales pple to hang around for normal hours and working adult for lunch time.
or better location to recommend?

and now we only plan to spend RM100k as a start for f&f, rental deposit, kitchen crew, renovation... izzit enuf?

Non of us hv experience operate a cafe b4... but the chef (1 of d partner) was working wif parent in a restaurant b4 join us..

We plan to hv ROI within 6-9 months, izzit to slow?


This post has been edited by Cky's gf: May 12 2009, 11:39 PM

TS seems to wan us to reply in more detail so he can copy and paste. Dont have to waste effort. LOL

Really, just register everything and ask bomba to check and approve it. Restaurant or kedai kopi, both have diff criteria to meet. You need to check with them.

Do you know how frustrating it is to type out questions so directly yet get such indirect answers?

Thank you. This is what I am talking about.

Have you ever considered the fact that I might ALREADY have considered my capital and now need to determine the regulations I need to fulfil before I can run my business??

I'm sorry I dont believe in shit ass quality work, I dont do copy paste, you might be the kind that copy pastes hence you see the need to associate copy pasting with me but yeah you dont know me so don't come up with baseless accusations saying people copy and paste thank you very much.

What is more frustrating is your rude attitude and your lazy mindset to ask for help in your assignments/research without any bit of effort to seek out yourself or go interview F&B owners but rather be spoon fed through this forum.

Majority of us here are not in F&B industry, so please direct your questions to the appropriate group of people instead of us here for spoon feeding.

if you dont know how to answer, then you shouldnt answer

i have gotten some terrific answers from the other people here and i am grateful for that

I am however, not grateful for the unnecessary comments which dont benefit me at all


How would you know that I am lazy? do you know me personally? if your answer is no, then no you dont know me and you shouldnt come up with your own conclusions and thoughts about who i am because you basically dont know me.

Thank you very much.

And btw, please define APPROPRIATE group of people. Is everyone in lowyat.net selling computers or selling cars or selling chocolate cake or selling dogs or selling cups or selling air fresheners or selling pencils? This is a forum for all sorts of people, including people in the FNB industry so how exactly am I supposed to direct my questions to the appropriate people?

My safest bet is to hope people who know the answers to my questions to help me out

And people who dont to not answer. Thats all. Simple as that.

yo bro, i can see that you have a very low limit of tolerance and a very high level of temper. The combination of these two might bring whatever business down, believe me. In real business you need probably 100 times higher limit of tolerance and 100 times lower level of temper. Your attitude has a big role in your business, so stay cool. No need to be jumpy. I'm not a pro in business but all you have to do is to ignore all negative replies towards you and only take positive replies into account. There are many other obstacles you might face when your business is running which might raise 1000 times the temper compared to what you are facing in this forum.

This post has been edited by am_eniey: May 13 2009, 02:27 PM

If you can't tolerate answers given, then this isn't the right place for you.
Do your homework else where.

If you're not lazy, you would have found your answer by conducting interviews with those who're really in F&B industry. All it takes is a trip down and ask. Simple isn't it? But no, you wish to do your homework here, demands answers, and scolds everyone whose answer wasn't what you want.

Is this how you do your research?

He's not even doing a business. In his first post, he's doing a STUDY only. aka assignment.
I'd say let this prick learn things the hard way. He deserves to be screwed up.

there are many topics that have the answers for your questions in lowyat.net
just do some searching. from registration to running a business.



This post has been edited by NaMyzarC: May 13 2009, 03:09 PM

if that is the case, julnoel should have called a restaurant owner and interview him instead of posting here. the answer will be a genuine one.

wth is your problem man..

you're like some lifeless person who comes here just to kacau kacau

if you cant give proper answers in the first place, if you're not an FNB expert as you claim. then just go elsewhere and disturb other ppl la?

and HELLO, once again, do i have to ask you, do you know me personally? do you know the nature of my work? are you a school mate of mine? Let me help you answer. NO, NO and NO.

So what makes you think I've not conducted interviews? Wat makes you think I've not done my homework?

I'm not scolding, I'm asking you to BUZZ off if you dont know the answers but instead wish to type nonsense like what you're doing. Which is good for me because you're bumping the thread so thank you for your bandwith and whatever not.

And its okay, whatever you say or do will not screw me up, you think you're that influential? You think you're god? Lol.

Trust me, I only have a very low limit of tolerance and a high level of temper towards people who, when asked a question, answer something else, come up with their own questions, come up with their own perceptions and thoughts, come up with their own conclusions like as though its some god given right of theirs to voice their opinions everywhere and anywhere. You know whats a smart alec? Yeah, I detest people like that who come and spam in people's thread. So thank you for your advice, but I'm only reacting this way because some person insists on being lifeless and keeps disturbing and annoying me with all her smart alec answers like as though she's some super duper smart ass professor when in fact her answers dont contribute at all.

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Added on May 13, 2009, 4:33 pmI think I'm done. I've gotten the answers I need. Thanks to everyone who have contributed except for that one useless person who acts so smart.

Seriously

you need a life

sad ass b!tch




This post has been edited by julnoel: May 13 2009, 04:33 PM