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Zeegon
post Mar 31 2009, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(dingenius3 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:43 PM)
regret that i havent bought it earlier... got my cobra after like 5 months getting my alpha system  biggrin.gif
last time not that many cobra in store.. they keep small stock.. now can see many shop sure got 1..
he promote me F56 & F42... better get the highest GN coz i know i'm going to use it for quite a long time!~
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post Mar 31 2009, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Mar 31 2009, 11:00 AM)
flickr la .. x edit title .. heheh .. tongue.gif ..
wowww .. it's time to shopping ryzan! .. haha .. bro albnok, when is the next TT? I want to learn flash.
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no time to shopping now bro....
need to saving for something BIG this year......


QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 31 2009, 11:48 AM)
ok bro.. try indoor shoot can?.. cos i always use in my interior design shooting the 18mm seems cannot cover the floor n ceiling area..

can use my setting for ur test x bro?
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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:57 PM)
no time to shopping now bro....
need to saving for something BIG this year......
bro use this.....

user posted image
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adush...UWAUWAUWAUWA....luckily not in my wishlist now...poison deflected...

but i am vulnerable to cz1680...huhu, cannot with stand it no more...
Zeegon
post Mar 31 2009, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:57 PM)
no time to shopping now bro....
need to saving for something BIG this year......
bro use this.....

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What BIG thing ryzan?
UWAWA drool.gif
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:57 PM)
no time to shopping now bro....
need to saving for something BIG this year......
bro use this.....

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still no filter ka bro?? i've just bought one for mine.. 77mm so expensive wor sweat.gif
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:06 PM

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got my cobra now hunting for new lens smile.gif

should i go for

1. Tamron 17-50
2. Sony 16-105
3. Sony 18-250
Zeegon
post Mar 31 2009, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(signither @ Mar 31 2009, 02:03 PM)
still no filter ka bro?? i've just bought one for mine.. 77mm so expensive wor sweat.gif
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Seng kiat, u joined the kopitiam april 1st thingy?
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Mar 31 2009, 01:57 PM)
no time to shopping now bro....
need to saving for something BIG this year......
bro use this.....

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thats UWA is my target bro.. but belum cukup UWAng lagi laugh.gif

u want kawen this year ar bro brows.gif ops terspoiler plak tongue.gif
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:22 PM

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hahaha... alphanatic's database rolled back, some post missing, like albnok's photo post on the comparison of 70-200 biggrin.gif

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post Mar 31 2009, 02:28 PM

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Rollback? I hadn't posted it... until... now!

Anyway, here is the text taken from my blog!

A quick and dirty F2.8 full-frame telephoto zoom lens comparison for Alpha mount!

user posted image
Click here for large version.

The big guns, left to right, arranged in order of MFD:
Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO, 1.8m MFD - Asyraf's copy
Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM, 1.2m MFD - Nic's copy
Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro, 1.0m MFD - Sham's copy
Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro, 0.95m MFD - shop copy
Sony Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8, 0.72m MFD - my copy

I didn't bring my lens hood. sad.gif

* MFD = Minimum Focus Distance

All tests done with a Sony Alpha 900 firmware Version 1.00. The A900 seems to make the Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM focus faster, subjectively, but at the same time it is hampered by the smaller AF sensor layout. Regardless, the AF assist sensors and the F2.8 dual-cross type center sensor should bring out the best in the worst conditions, namely an indoor flourescent-lit shopping mall!

We were time-limited; the shop was closing soon, and unfortunately we'd rarely ever get to see such a full combination of 70-200mm F2.8 lens ranges.

Settings - Standard Small JPG, DRO Off, ISO1600, F2.8 (or F1.8 on the Zeiss), AWB, Multi-segment metering, center spot AF, AF-C.

We did a comparison with a moving target, in this case a friend walking towards us. I attempted to keep the center spot AF point on the eye of the moving subject.

user posted image
Tamron 70-200mm sample walk.

Lens Name; number of shots; good/bad shot ratio *

Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro; 14 shots; 8:6
Timestamps: 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:46 8:54:46 8:54:46 8:54:46

Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro; 12 shots; 5:7
Timestamps: 8:55:26 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:32 8:55:32

Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM; 13 shots; 6:7
Timestamps: 8:56:52 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:58 8:56:58

Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO; 17 shots; 8:9
Timestamps: 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:20 9:00:20 9:00:20

Sony Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8; 14 shots**; 9:5
Timestamps: 9:00:52 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:58 9:00:58 9:00:58

Number of shots were derived from comparing magnification; magnifications outside the norm were discarded.

Interesting that the timestamp of the file may not be truly representative of the time it was taken; I reckon the A900 writes to the card every 2 seconds, or that it can't count in odd seconds. So there goes my plan to use the timestamps to show how fast it can focus!

* good shots meaning it was obvious that the lens managed to cope up and focus (some shots had motion blur so I accounted for that as you can still see the relative region of focus); bad shots meaning it was obvious that the lens didn't manage to keep focus and you'd want to delete that shot.

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** 14 shots on the Zeiss are not comparable because of the different start/stop points; I cannot measure this versus the other lenses because they don't have the same magnification so I can't measure the start/end points easily.


My Subjective Opinion

user posted image
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Tamron at 200mm F2.8 1/125s ISO400. This is not a picture of me!

I will assure you that the Sigma at 200mm F2.8 and this close range (on the A900) will not give you this amount of sharpness. The Tamron without a doubt is good at 200mm F2.8 in the 1-2 meters range (estimated) where the Sigma falters.

My previous findings on the Sigma here.

The Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 and Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO, both being screw-drive lenses, let the A900 fire away more frames at the beginning of the walk. It focused more confidently. There was an obvious audible difference between the 5 FPS of screw-drives and the slower, more hesitant pauses between HSM/SSM lenses. Everybody noticed this.

Given the low sample rate I have here, I hope somebody out there can take this further especially on the 200mm end - the shop confines didn't allow for 200mm tracking. That said the test was very gruelling on the lenses as it is in poor flourescent lighting so I cannot imagine how it would fare at 200mm. I would imagine that all these lenses would do much better in a daylight drag race at 200mm!

Approaching the minimum focusing distance all lenses struggled mainly because of the A900's small AF sensor layout.

The Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO's MFD of 1.8 meters makes itself very apparent in the confines of a shop. Modern lenses do 1.2 meters at least which is great! The Sony 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G SSM is another excellent example, going 1.2 meters close too, a record for any lens that gets to 300mm! Of course, the Minolta 70-210mm F4 beercan has been focusing 1.1 meters close since 1985...

Of course, in the name of science, all tests should be done 3 times. But we didn't want to agitate the very nice shopkeeper who let us test this lens. And this was gonna be quick and dirty, not precision. I think a much more precise method would be with the camera on a tripod trying to track a (weighted) racecar with a bright contrasty plastic cone (for a flag) on a track, heading towards the camera in a straight line before turning off.

70-135-200mm comparison

I focused on the S of the Sony A700. Unfortunately this was not a tripod-mounted test!

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Tamron, bottom is Sigma. It seems the Tamron has corrected for lateral chromatic aberration, or color 'bokeh'. It looks odd to me though since I'm so used to LCA and regard it as a natural property of lenses.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm/80mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Sony, bottom is Minolta.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Zeiss at 135mm F1.8.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Tamron, middle is Sigma, bottom is Sony.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Zeiss at 135mm F1.8.

The Sigma and Tamron have much more obvious spherical aberration. I thought the Tamron was alright at 135mm and a heck lot better than the Sigma at 200mm and close focus (1-2 meters.) The Sigma has very obvious softening!

Stuff I Did Not Compare

Color - I was in flourescent lighting. sad.gif

Bokeh - the shop people kept moving about so the background changed quite a bit as you can see.

This post has been edited by albnok: Mar 31 2009, 02:28 PM
Seng_Kiat
post Mar 31 2009, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Zeegon @ Mar 31 2009, 02:08 PM)
Seng kiat, u joined the kopitiam april 1st thingy?
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i dont understand ... what happen on april 1st? haa?
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(hafeez71 @ Mar 31 2009, 02:00 PM)
adush...UWAUWAUWAUWA....luckily not in my wishlist now...poison deflected...

but i am vulnerable to cz1680...huhu, cannot with stand it no more...
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this one u want..............
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QUOTE(Zeegon @ Mar 31 2009, 02:01 PM)
What BIG thing ryzan?
UWAWA  drool.gif
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big macro lens....... drool.gif

QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 31 2009, 02:18 PM)
thats UWA is my target bro.. but belum cukup UWAng lagi laugh.gif

u want kawen this year ar bro brows.gif ops terspoiler plak  tongue.gif
*
already kawin lo.....
when i kawin bro albert arrange TT just for me.... thanks bro albert....
good master n sifu..... thumbup.gif


QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 31 2009, 02:28 PM)
Rollback? I hadn't posted it... until... now!

Anyway, here is the text taken from my blog!

A quick and dirty F2.8 full-frame telephoto zoom lens comparison for Alpha mount!

user posted image
Click here for large version.

The big guns, left to right, arranged in order of MFD:
Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO, 1.8m MFD - Asyraf's copy
Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM, 1.2m MFD - Nic's copy
Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro, 1.0m MFD - Sham's copy
Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro, 0.95m MFD - shop copy
Sony Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8, 0.72m MFD - my copy

I didn't bring my lens hood. sad.gif

* MFD = Minimum Focus Distance

All tests done with a Sony Alpha 900 firmware Version 1.00. The A900 seems to make the Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM focus faster, subjectively, but at the same time it is hampered by the smaller AF sensor layout. Regardless, the AF assist sensors and the F2.8 dual-cross type center sensor should bring out the best in the worst conditions, namely an indoor flourescent-lit shopping mall!

We were time-limited; the shop was closing soon, and unfortunately we'd rarely ever get to see such a full combination of 70-200mm F2.8 lens ranges.

Settings - Standard Small JPG, DRO Off, ISO1600, F2.8 (or F1.8 on the Zeiss), AWB, Multi-segment metering, center spot AF, AF-C.

We did a comparison with a moving target, in this case a friend walking towards us. I attempted to keep the center spot AF point on the eye of the moving subject.

user posted image
Tamron 70-200mm sample walk.

Lens Name; number of shots; good/bad shot ratio *

Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro; 14 shots; 8:6
Timestamps: 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:40 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:42 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:44 8:54:46 8:54:46 8:54:46 8:54:46

Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro; 12 shots; 5:7
Timestamps: 8:55:26 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:28 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:30 8:55:32 8:55:32

Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM; 13 shots; 6:7
Timestamps: 8:56:52 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:54 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:56 8:56:58 8:56:58

Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO; 17 shots; 8:9
Timestamps: 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:14 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:16 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:18 9:00:20 9:00:20 9:00:20

Sony Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8; 14 shots**; 9:5
Timestamps: 9:00:52 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:54 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:56 9:00:58 9:00:58 9:00:58

Number of shots were derived from comparing magnification; magnifications outside the norm were discarded.

Interesting that the timestamp of the file may not be truly representative of the time it was taken; I reckon the A900 writes to the card every 2 seconds, or that it can't count in odd seconds. So there goes my plan to use the timestamps to show how fast it can focus!

* good shots meaning it was obvious that the lens managed to cope up and focus (some shots had motion blur so I accounted for that as you can still see the relative region of focus); bad shots meaning it was obvious that the lens didn't manage to keep focus and you'd want to delete that shot.

user posted image

** 14 shots on the Zeiss are not comparable because of the different start/stop points; I cannot measure this versus the other lenses because they don't have the same magnification so I can't measure the start/end points easily.
My Subjective Opinion

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Tamron at 200mm F2.8 1/125s ISO400. This is not a picture of me!

I will assure you that the Sigma at 200mm F2.8 and this close range (on the A900) will not give you this amount of sharpness. The Tamron without a doubt is good at 200mm F2.8 in the 1-2 meters range (estimated) where the Sigma falters.

My previous findings on the Sigma here.

The Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 and Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO, both being screw-drive lenses, let the A900 fire away more frames at the beginning of the walk. It focused more confidently. There was an obvious audible difference between the 5 FPS of screw-drives and the slower, more hesitant pauses between HSM/SSM lenses. Everybody noticed this.

Given the low sample rate I have here, I hope somebody out there can take this further especially on the 200mm end - the shop confines didn't allow for 200mm tracking. That said the test was very gruelling on the lenses as it is in poor flourescent lighting so I cannot imagine how it would fare at 200mm. I would imagine that all these lenses would do much better in a daylight drag race at 200mm!

Approaching the minimum focusing distance all lenses struggled mainly because of the A900's small AF sensor layout.

The Minolta 80-200mm F2.8G HS APO's MFD of 1.8 meters makes itself very apparent in the confines of a shop. Modern lenses do 1.2 meters at least which is great! The Sony 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G SSM is another excellent example, going 1.2 meters close too, a record for any lens that gets to 300mm! Of course, the Minolta 70-210mm F4 beercan has been focusing 1.1 meters close since 1985...

Of course, in the name of science, all tests should be done 3 times. But we didn't want to agitate the very nice shopkeeper who let us test this lens. And this was gonna be quick and dirty, not precision. I think a much more precise method would be with the camera on a tripod trying to track a (weighted) racecar with a bright contrasty plastic cone (for a flag) on a track, heading towards the camera in a straight line before turning off.

70-135-200mm comparison

I focused on the S of the Sony A700. Unfortunately this was not a tripod-mounted test!

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Tamron, bottom is Sigma. It seems the Tamron has corrected for lateral chromatic aberration, or color 'bokeh'. It looks odd to me though since I'm so used to LCA and regard it as a natural property of lenses.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm/80mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Sony, bottom is Minolta.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Zeiss at 135mm F1.8.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Left to right: 70mm, 135mm, 200mm all at F2.8
Top is Tamron, middle is Sigma, bottom is Sony.

user posted image
(Click for larger view.)
Zeiss at 135mm F1.8.

The Sigma and Tamron have much more obvious spherical aberration. I thought the Tamron was alright at 135mm and a heck lot better than the Sigma at 200mm and close focus (1-2 meters.) The Sigma has very obvious softening!

Stuff I Did Not Compare

Color - I was in flourescent lighting. sad.gif

Bokeh - the shop people kept moving about so the background changed quite a bit as you can see.
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so bro alber....which one is best for u opinion?
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post Mar 31 2009, 02:41 PM

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hahaha... oops, see wrong biggrin.gif

anyway

siggy and tammy on your a900, which focus faster and the noise that people complain on tammy got ar?

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post Mar 31 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(ryzan76 @ Mar 31 2009, 02:40 PM)
already kawin lo.....
when i kawin  bro albert arrange TT just for me.... thanks bro albert....
good master n sifu..... thumbup.gif
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haha... i was there last time.. when was it ar?

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Zeegon
post Mar 31 2009, 03:02 PM

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Sry seng kiat, wrong person doh.gif

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post Mar 31 2009, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Zeegon @ Mar 31 2009, 03:02 PM)
Sry seng kiat, wrong person  doh.gif
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hahaha .. no problem bro .. wink.gif .. damn .. I really have no time for flash .. arghh!!
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post Mar 31 2009, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Mar 31 2009, 03:06 PM)
hahaha .. no problem bro .. wink.gif .. damn .. I really have no time for flash .. arghh!!
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same here... not like you can't use it in the day... but i'm always looking forward for the night these days... doh.gif
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post Mar 31 2009, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(millenia3000 @ Mar 31 2009, 03:09 PM)
same here... not like you can't use it in the day... but i'm always looking forward for the night these days... doh.gif
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Lol. Supp Chris.
Post up some pics tht u used with flash rclxms.gif
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post Mar 31 2009, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zeegon @ Mar 31 2009, 03:10 PM)
Lol. Supp Chris.
Post up some pics tht u used with flash  rclxms.gif
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wait wait... tonight gonna take some good ones..

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