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tjay_tj
post Jul 22 2009, 10:21 AM

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yup... it will just like sucking up the vaccum... the fan will be stress but it will not harm the fan...

my fan is rated at 2k but oni run at 1800 connected to the mobo...

the reason for this should be the mobo controller...
the fan will oni load up to the max when it is at the dangerous level...

i tested my fan controller on my mobo... didnt even change a bit even i set it to the minimum doh.gif

to get the max out of the fan... i guess u have to plug it to the molex like someone stated before somewhere (if 3 pin fan) hmm.gif

than is the new fan speed controller nowadays use PWM which use pulses to control the fan speed and not by voltage, so plug in the molex with 4 pin fan will also not bring out the max of the fan... like my stock delta fan which not running at 5k when connect to molex doh.gif

one think u guys can try... connect the yellow wire (speed sensor) to the mobo... the the red and black wire to the molex... see what is the speed of the fan... compare to all the wires on the mobo (if 3pin fan)... or use a PWN fan controller.
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post Jul 22 2009, 12:04 PM

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hmmm.. if that guy mention his HSfan running at 1K rpm in his casing & planning to change the HSFan.
doesnt he should change the mobo as the mobo controller is the problem?? tongue.gif....

tt guy also mention he running his e8400 at 60-65 degree on idle (what would be a dangerous level to intel CPU?). as i think that is very high. Previously im running my e3110 OC to 4.0 & the temp is at 40+degree only (in my sugo sg01).

This post has been edited by BuckRoger: Jul 22 2009, 12:09 PM
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post Jul 22 2009, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 22 2009, 12:04 PM)
hmmm.. if that guy mention his HSfan running at 1K rpm in his casing & planning to change the HSFan.
doesnt he should change the mobo as the mobo controller is the problem?? tongue.gif....

tt guy also mention he running his e8400 at 60-65 degree on idle (what would be a dangerous level to intel CPU?). as i think that is very high. Previously im running my e3110 OC to 4.0 & the temp is at 40+degree only (in my sugo sg01).
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ever mobo fan controller will be same... it is controll by bios/software... what for changing a perfectly fine mobo tongue.gif

changing the heatsink is the perfect choice

running 65 on load is perectly normal... still under save condition... he maybe using prime95/burnt test to stress the cpu...
dun let the temp over 75 should be fine...

running 40 on load with stock cooling is not common... load? or idle?

than is the voltage used... overvolt will produce more heat than undervolt...
my compu running power saving option... with normal option, it will be 5C hotter, with voltage set to high it will be 10 to 15C higher... my amd 6000 x2 95w is also overclock by 100mhz laugh.gif

and somemor, temp in the sff should be hotter laugh.gif
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(tjay_tj @ Jul 22 2009, 10:21 AM)
yup... it will just like sucking up the vaccum... the fan will be stress but it will not harm the fan...

my fan is rated at 2k but oni run at 1800 connected to the mobo...

the reason for this should be the mobo controller...
the fan will oni load up to the max when it is at the dangerous level...

i tested my fan controller on my mobo... didnt even change a bit even i set it to the minimum  doh.gif

to get the max out of the fan... i guess u have to plug it to the molex like someone stated before somewhere (if 3 pin fan)  hmm.gif

than is the new fan speed controller nowadays use PWM which use pulses to control the fan speed and not by voltage, so plug in the molex with 4 pin fan will also not bring out the max of the fan... like my stock delta fan which not running at 5k when connect to molex  doh.gif

one think u guys can try... connect the yellow wire (speed sensor) to the mobo... the the red and black wire to the molex... see what is the speed of the fan... compare to all the wires on the mobo (if 3pin fan)... or use a PWN fan controller.
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:38 PM

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that is the reason for the fan not running full blast... not to say it is faulty laugh.gif
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post Jul 22 2009, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 10:04 AM)
in b4....  blush.gif  blush.gif
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Learn to read post. Follow the date of posting.

QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 04:08 PM)
One silly questions,
if im using a intel stock cooler but my cpu temperature is higher than any other intel stock cooler,
anyone can let me know whats the problem??
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There are many Intel 'stock' cooler floating around. Unless u r looking at 2 identical stock cooler, comparison is hard. They become smaller & smaller each time. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 07:56 PM)
Thanks for the reply, but some vip member mention he doesn't have an air flow problem for his temperature problem?  tongue.gif, plus he mention its his cooler problem  doh.gif
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Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my previous post. BuckRoger is correct in the theory of air ventilation. I'm not saying he is wrong. I'm just saying I don't hv tht ventilation issue. Ambient case temp was 31-33C (slight hotter than bigger casing of coz...but manageable).

It was the stock Intel HSF. I don't know bout others...but my "stock" HSF is really small. The aluminium block (HS) is just 1.7cm tall ! I doubt it will perform even if the fan is carry 100% CFM due to good airflow.

BuckRoger...it's the efficiency of the HSF that I'm looking at.

I'll gv a simple scenario (say I got a very good airflow in the casing)

3.0GHz - 65C
3.2Ghz - 67C
3.6Ghz - 79C
4.0Ghz - 88C

Now if u noticed that from 3.0 to 3.2 GHz, temp only increase by 2C...but the a further bump is speed do not yield the same correlation. Despite the good airflow, the HSF simply do not hv the thermal dissipation capabilites to clear those hot temp. If airflow is the only variables in influencing the temp, there will not be any aftermarket cooler right ?

So my issue in the HSF efficiency. Not so much of a ventilation issue.

BuckRoger remains correct with the air ventilation. But looking at the HSF efficiency is vital as well.
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post Jul 22 2009, 11:08 PM

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Yah, maybe u r rite smile.gif... have u change to aftermarket cooler? mind to let us know what is the result?? biggrin.gif..

but 4.0ghz @ 88C is shocking.gif blush.gif (not sure abt temp limit for intel, but i will never go further with that temp unless i dont like my cpu anymore tongue.gif)

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 22 2009, 11:08 PM)
Yah, maybe u r rite smile.gif... have u change to aftermarket cooler? mind to let us know what is the result?? biggrin.gif..

but 4.0ghz @ 88C is  shocking.gif blush.gif (not sure abt temp limit for intel, but i will never go further with that temp unless i dont like my cpu anymore tongue.gif)
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Tht 4.0 GHz is with tht stock cooler. I stop the moment it reach 88C. If I continue...don't know if the temp will keep raising.

I've decided to pick-up a Xigmatek HDT-S964 2moro. I'll let u know how it goes.
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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 22 2009, 11:17 PM)
Tht 4.0 GHz is with tht stock cooler. I stop the moment it reach 88C. If I continue...don't know if the temp will keep raising.

I've decided to pick-up a Xigmatek HDT-S964 2moro. I'll let u know how it goes.
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if u mention u running ur e8400 in open air on stock the temp is already 65C, i agreed with u, the problem is ur HSF smile.gif,

Xigmatek HDT-S964 is a good choice HSF rclxms.gif

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post Jul 27 2009, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 23 2009, 09:53 PM)
My SFF setup... for HTPC biggrin.gif

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post Jul 28 2009, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 10:01 PM)
+ according to this guy, changing to Vortex 752 only reduced the temp 3-4 degree & vortex isn't actually that bad in performance.

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=...s&id=656&page=3

changing to a better HSF might help, but not alot as the major problem isn't solve
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Let me clarify this,

The best temp I get with stock fan was 57C when the room temp is lower (early morning) and computer was freshly started. I tried several fan set up to find the best possible fan position (in-out) and to get the best air flow but the best is still 57C. The stock fan is running at 1500rpm by connecting it to rear fan mobo connector instead of cpu fan connector. If using the cpu fan connector, the stock fan only manage to run at 800-1000 rpm and temp easily reach 65C.

With stock fan running at 1500rpm in normal room temperature, the temp usually at 60-61C.

It was my mistake that I mention only 3-4C drop with Vortex 752. Actually, the best I can get with Vortex 752 was 48C and normally 50C. I forgot during that post, I already install graphic card and soundcard which block the air flow thus increased the temp to 53C. So, the 3-4C drop is actually based on 57C (best from stock fan without the gc and soundcard) and 53C (current temp).

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post Jul 28 2009, 02:27 PM

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Im posting my SG01 tonite!! But still very heart pain after cutting the HDD cage abit to fit in my ATI 4870... cry.gif

but overall its sweeT! hehe


Added on July 28, 2009, 2:37 pm
QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 22 2009, 11:37 PM)
if u mention u running ur e8400 in open air on stock the temp is already 65C, i agreed with u, the problem is ur HSF smile.gif,

Xigmatek HDT-S964 is a good choice  HSF  rclxms.gif
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buck : ur Silverstone NT06 ROX!! haha but how come the placement cannot be straigh line as the psu 1? but overall oc my e8500 @ 3.8ghz @ 40c idle and 50c load.. not bad

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post Jul 29 2009, 02:20 AM

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i changed my stock heatsink to coolermaster geminii s,
cooler fan is blowing upwards lo. idle temp 41c +- in non aircon room

don't have my cam with me yet sad.gif
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QUOTE(pelvin @ Jul 28 2009, 02:27 PM)
Im posting my SG01 tonite!! But still very heart pain after cutting the HDD cage abit to fit in my ATI 4870... cry.gif

but overall its sweeT! hehe


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buck : ur Silverstone NT06 ROX!! haha but how come the placement cannot be straigh line as the psu 1? but overall oc my e8500 @ 3.8ghz @ 40c idle and 50c load.. not bad
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@_@... cut the HDD cage to fit ATI4870? how long is 4870 ? 9.5 inchi?
Fast fast post some close up kekeke smile.gif
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post Jul 29 2009, 08:07 PM

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What is the current price for Lian Li sff casing? I saw that Lian Li user have lower temp. Probably will change next month.
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post Jul 29 2009, 08:51 PM

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u mean by the lian li v351?

i guess the price is still the same with last time.
karom page state rm410... and still in stock.
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post Jul 29 2009, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(pelvin @ Jul 28 2009, 02:27 PM)
Im posting my SG01 tonite!! But still very heart pain after cutting the HDD cage abit to fit in my ATI 4870... cry.gif

but overall its sweeT! hehe
congratulation rclxms.gif
bro,how much u bought ?? from forumer ?
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May i ask something. If i want to use SG05, the dvd-drive there using slim slot loading DVD burner only right? Where do i find one? I thought only laptop use this kind of drive.. Thanks

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