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post Jul 20 2009, 12:21 AM

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post Jul 20 2009, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:19 AM)
No cutting on the outside. I'll just keep the casing as stock as possible. Anyway, I've done with tht support rail.

Now...time to choose a decent cooler. I'm looking @ CM GeminIIS or Xigmatek HDT-S963. Any suggestion ? smile.gif
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plan to cut the support rail than install a tower cooler?

than the xigmatek will be batter than geminii s
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post Jul 20 2009, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:19 AM)
No cutting on the outside. I'll just keep the casing as stock as possible. Anyway, I've done with tht support rail.

Now...time to choose a decent cooler. I'm looking @ CM GeminIIS or Xigmatek HDT-S963. Any suggestion ? smile.gif
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Lol,, tot u don't want to mod the support rail?? doh.gif

IMO,the actual problem with ur casing is the air ventilation,

eg. the circulation of hot air in ur casing, changing cpu heat sink wont improve the temp much,
as the hot air is going round & round in ur casing,
u must let go the hot air out & suck the cold air into ur casing, then u'll have a better temp in the casing & the cpu.

one problem with VIP is sometimes they think they r so good to listen tongue.gif. hahhaha

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 20 2009, 01:27 AM)
Lol,, tot u don't want to mod the support rail??  doh.gif

IMO,the actual problem with ur casing is the air ventilation,

eg. the circulation of hot air in ur casing, changing cpu heat sink wont improve the temp much,
as the hot air is going round & round in ur casing,
u must let go the hot air out & suck the cold air into ur casing, then u'll have a better temp in the casing & the cpu.

one problem with VIP is sometimes they think they r so good to listen tongue.gif. hahhaha
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Look at my previous post. I've said "I've done with tht support rail". Meaning...I've already modded it. whistling.gif

There is no problem with my comprehension of your advice. I wouldn't be asking if I'm not ready to take some good/bad advice(s). I do hear u bout tht air circulation. Now: -

There is no problem with the air ventilation in my casing. Even if there is, it doesn't warrant hole cutting. The casing temp is in the region of 31-33C. Now, that's bout 3-5C above ambient temp. It's fine.

HSF will maintain X temp above ambient temp. So a good HSF will have less variance(s) between ambient temp & load temp. Now, this correlation is only valid up the max thermal cooling effectiveness of the HSF. Anything beyond it's thermal limit, running with close/open case do not affect the cooling capacities it the HSF. So, it's easy to find out whether u got a air circulation prob or HSF cooling prob. In my case, it's the HSF.


tjay_tj,

Yup. With tht rail off...I got more option. I'm running an Asus P5N7A with a large chipset HS. Cooler will nid a clearance of 33mm to be on a safe side.

Darn...Intel. I was running an X2 4000 before this clocking 2.5 GHz with stock cooler & it was fine. Now this E8400 is hot.
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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 20 2009, 02:17 AM)
tjay_tj,

Yup. With tht rail off...I got more option. I'm running an Asus P5N7A with a large chipset HS. Cooler will nid a clearance of 33mm to be on a safe side.

Darn...Intel. I was running an X2 4000 before this clocking 2.5 GHz with stock cooler & it was fine. Now this E8400 is hot.
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at least more heat = more performance laugh.gif

a better hsf will reduce the temp (no doubt about it)

abut the circulation of hot air.

there is a 120mm fan behind the xqbox... no problem with that.
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post Jul 21 2009, 08:37 AM

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any itx based or micro-ATX based SFF casing to recommend ?

planning to built a simple file station with Atom 330 in it. Currently running it on chapalang ATX casing. Looking f/w to buy a SFF casing for it... budget around rm400.

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post Jul 21 2009, 09:51 AM

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hmm , i oso lazy to do research , guys, recomend me a HTPC casing (AV receiver alike) , dun wan cube casing biggrin.gif budget less than 350 .
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post Jul 21 2009, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 16 2009, 01:47 PM)
I wouldn't have ask the question if I wanted to cut the bar.  doh.gif

Anyway, I fould a few cooler tht MIGHT fit: -

1. Coolermaster GeminII S
2. TT Ruby ORB
3. Zalman 7x00 series
4. Coolermaster Vortex 752

Now, the word MIGHT is no good. I nid some confirmation from some owner here.

Thanks.
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in b4.... blush.gif blush.gif

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Jul 21 2009, 08:37 AM)
any itx based or micro-ATX based SFF casing to recommend ?

planning to built a simple file station with Atom 330 in it. Currently running it on chapalang ATX casing. Looking f/w to buy a SFF casing for it... budget around rm400.
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QUOTE(xk2 @ Jul 21 2009, 09:51 AM)
hmm , i oso lazy to do research , guys, recomend me a HTPC casing (AV receiver alike) , dun wan cube casing biggrin.gif  budget less than 350 .
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you like lian li or silverstone laugh.gif

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/produ...=25&ss_index=64

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/enclosure.php?area=
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post Jul 21 2009, 04:08 PM

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One silly questions,
if im using a intel stock cooler but my cpu temperature is higher than any other intel stock cooler,
anyone can let me know whats the problem??


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lots of possibilities....

thermal paste... airflow... dust on heatsink...heat from other components...recycled hot air...etc etc.
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post Jul 21 2009, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 21 2009, 04:12 PM)
lots of possibilities....

thermal paste... airflow... dust on heatsink...heat from other components...recycled hot air...etc etc.
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Thanks MadMan for the answer smile.gif,

i dont think the red is the problem. then it must be the green one... smile.gif, i think that will answer my silly questions. tongue.gif

or....... maybe i dunno how to apply thermal paste?? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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post Jul 21 2009, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 04:29 PM)
Thanks MadMan for the answer smile.gif,

i dont think the red is the problem. then it must be the green one... smile.gif, i think that will answer my silly questions. tongue.gif

or....... maybe i dunno how to apply thermal paste?? doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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if u say so...

thermal paste for the stock heatsink is pre apply.... smile.gif

casing airflow will mostly affect the heat... bigger casing and higher airflow will reduce this effect
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post Jul 21 2009, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(tjay_tj @ Jul 21 2009, 05:03 PM)
if u say so...

thermal paste for the stock heatsink is pre apply....  smile.gif

casing airflow will mostly affect the heat... bigger casing and higher airflow will reduce this effect
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Thanks for the reply, but some vip member mention he doesn't have an air flow problem for his temperature problem? tongue.gif, plus he mention its his cooler problem doh.gif

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post Jul 21 2009, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Jul 18 2009, 11:49 PM)
I hv exactly the same issue. The stock HSF was running in 1k RPM, which also amused me. I've set in the bios to run the fan @ max...but it still run the same. I'm starting to wonder...maybe stock fan was indeed only running @ 1k RPM. Currently, FL temp is in the region of 67-69C. Tht a E8400 running @3.2GHz (1.08v)

After market cooler is limited in this case. I'll need to mod the casing by cutting the HDD support rail if I want to bring the best out of this processor.  hmm.gif
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ur fan will only move at 100% if its get 100% air frm the other parts. (its not ur heat sink fan problem, its ur air ventilation problem) in ur case, it is obvious theres smething is blocking the air flow.

eg. if u open 50%, the air will ruch in 50% & the fan also will move at 50%.

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post Jul 21 2009, 08:25 PM

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i'm looking for a SFF case for my comming E52 keke

PCQ07 look cute smile.gif
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QUOTE(BuckRoger @ Jul 21 2009, 08:14 PM)
ur fan will only move at 100% if its get 100% air frm the other parts. (its not ur heat sink fan problem, its ur air ventilation problem) in ur case, it is obvious theres smething is blocking the air flow.
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u got some point there... but not 100% correct...

the airflow will be limited by the by the blocked space...
u cant block the airflow flowing... air cant be block... the air will still flow thru the side where there is opening.

changing the heatsink will improve... but it will still limited by the fresh airflow... the air will circulate until it is exhausted by a fan...

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@rsangle...

add in a gc and ur e52 to the zotac mitx & PCQ07 and everyone will be drooling
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jul 17 2009, 10:24 AM)
I'm a X-QBox owner and currently using CM Vortex 752. The cooler fix nicely without any modded. However, when you pull out the mobo tray, the fan will stuck a bit but with a little push, you can take it out easily. The performance, acceptable but not so good. My temp only drop 3-4 C (current temp 53 - speedfan) but never go above 65.

For CM GeminiIIs, I compare both Vortex 752 and GeminiIIs side by side. GeminiIIs is taller so most probably can't fix into my X-Qbox. But the heat sink is much (more) better than vortex 752 and I bet it will lower the temp 3-5 C from my current temp.

I read some where here that Ruby Orb can fix into X-QBox  nicely but problem with the space (block the ram and northbridge or southbridge heatsink, depend on your mobo layout). Performance, better than 752.

I bought Vortex 752 mostly because of price and also available stock. At my place, only 752 and geminiIIs is avaiable.
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+ according to this guy, changing to Vortex 752 only reduced the temp 3-4 degree & vortex isn't actually that bad in performance.

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=...s&id=656&page=3

changing to a better HSF might help, but not alot as the major problem isn't solve

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right...

but... airflow will always be limited in a sff case...
temp in a sff case will always be higher...
u cant slove that problem unless u open the whole thing up, cut it, or use it casing less... i dun think u wan to do any of that...
than u can change the fan but it will be noisier laugh.gif

with my v350 ( form the looks, u can assure the airflow will sure be limited, with only single 80mm fan exhaust ) i still can achieve idle of 33C and load of 45C laugh.gif
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/200.../lian-li_v350/1

mainly u just need to maintain ur temp under the save condition than u will be alright...

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if u open 50%, the air will ruch in 50% & the fan also will move at 50%.

another thing... the speed of fan will be 100% but the airflow oni 50% laugh.gif (actually will be higher than 50% but less than 100 % to be exact)

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post Jul 22 2009, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(tjay_tj @ Jul 21 2009, 11:04 PM)
right...

but... airflow will always be limited in a sff case...
temp in a sff case will always be higher...
u cant slove that problem unless u open the whole thing up, cut it, or use it casing less... i dun think u wan to do any of that...
than u can change the fan but it will be noisier  laugh.gif

with my v350 ( form the looks, u can assure the airflow will sure be limited, with only single 80mm fan exhaust ) i still can achieve idle of 33C and load of 45C  laugh.gif
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/200.../lian-li_v350/1

mainly u just need to maintain ur temp under the save condition than u will be alright...
another thing... the speed of fan will be 100% but the airflow oni 50%  laugh.gif (actually will be higher than 50% but less than 100 % to be exact)
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err.. in the chart the fan isnt powered up, the fan is in the cylinder & u suck/blow frm the other parts & see whether the fan is moving. smile.gif.
If the fan is power up, the fan will move, but under burden. it will not moving at 100% speed. its like stuck vacum.

in that guy case, how will u explain why the Fan only move at 1k rpm, while the speed set in the mobo at max??
pheww.. that other guy mention his temp for e8400 is 60-65 degree on idle, blush.gif blush.gif ..

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