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Added on April 12, 2009, 7:16 pmPublic Unis....

In the website ....
http://www.udm.edu.my/

In Reality ...




The honey is good business. Because the honey VERY expensive.

There goes the "filtering" process when you enter public unis.



This post has been edited by benedictHHH: Apr 12 2009, 07:17 PM

Universiti Darul Iman? Haha, thats why I never mention UDM, remember, I only talk about those high-ranking public universities, go read again. if you know which are the high-ranking ones anyway. Private Universities have a lot of these too type of lousy works too.

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Added on April 12, 2009, 8:12 pmAsean scholarships, fullbright scholarships and every other scholarships as well are looking for only top students, 10 straight As AND they don't give out their scholarships to many students as well, some are like 1 or 2 people only , max would be around 20 people, they don't have much funds, unlike Mara, JPA, Petronas and Khazanah that can give out scholarships to like 40 people that is going to UK alone, my friend got a scholarship from JPA to go to US and the JPA guy told him about it. It doesn't make a difference though, still What will happen to those who got 4As to 9A1s?They will go to to public universities if they don't have money. That's a lot of people you know, because 4As to 9As ,it's Average achievement.

You don't think sports achievement is an achievement? Then you're challenging the American Ivy League Universities. They give easier admissions for athletes. My friend's friend who is a Malaysian Athlete got into MIT massachusets institute of technology without getting a high SAT score.Take that.

Duh, I didn't say whether I like it or not. That kind of fact is already obvious man, and you're repeating what I said about those poor kids , what the heck? haha. You're discriminating indirectly by stating that you think Monash students are better off because they're rich kids, means you see poor kids as trash that have no hopes.

Yeah so that means most of the poor kids that gets 4As to 9As that couldn't get any scholarship because most scholarships would only want 10As students would go to the public universities and unable to go to monash university because of their expensive fees. And this is according to your percentile, thank you very much. Same goes to the well-off kids.

Haha, you follow the typical Malaysian wannabe American type of individual. Dude I do business with american people, think you're the only one who work with Americans? But anyway this is easy to beat. with only one word. READ MALAYSIAN HISTORY AND AMERICAN HISTORY. The people that segragated us in the first place are the British people. They also did not give proper education to the malays because they do not want them to fight back. The chinese people were here to earn money as british tin mine workers for a low pay. And the British were using the chinese to steal Malaysia's resources like tin mines and all. Now the country they build in the UK is from the resources that came from the Malaysian soil itself, they stole our resources man. Remember those train tracks they build? haha. And they left us being poor with only a sum of money JUST ENOUGH for all the races. Remember the Reid Commission? During the reed commission tunku abdul rahman asked for equal rights for all Malaysians. Tunku Abdul Rahman and the Alliances agreed suggested that

- “in an independent Malaya all nationals should be accorded equal rights, privileges and opportunities and there must not be discrimination on grounds of race and creed….”

“to eliminate Communalism as a force in the political and economic life of the country.”

(Lim Kit Siang quoted this in his website hahahaha)

But you know what happened after that? the socio-economy was so unbalanced because the british divide-and-rule us according to race, that we HAD to balance it out. And just like the poor kids being poor, the Malays and the Indians were poor as well while the chinese being the richest, the purpose of the New Economic Policy after the 13 may riot was to balance out the unequality. Means the gov had already had tried to give equal opportunities for the first 13 years of our young nation in the first place but found out that the damage done by the british was too great.

Here's something for your surprise, The United States only started to implement their equal rights policy in the 1960. and their independence was in 1776. They only started to implement equal rights 200 YEARS after their independence. Not to mention the blacks became slaves before that and faced dangerous discrimination. People die there. Go check it out yourself.

haha, I don't care whatever you say about newspapers, you said the same nonsense at the MMU vs Swinburne and you don't even have proof yet. People are already complaining about you. What I advise you is to just stop lying and making up stories.

Monash Malaysia isn't in the world ranking at all. What's in the world ranking is Monash Australia only. Public Universities like UM, UKM, UPM and USM are at number 230-300+ and that's already quite good because there are 2000+ american universities in the US ALONE, not counting the world yet, take a look at the ranking and see how many american and japanese universities malaysia have beaten. --> http://www.topuniversities.com/university_...s/fullrankings/

But anyway, right now we're talking about Monash Malaysia, why do you suddenly go to Monash australia? can't get anymore ideas? haha. if you wanna use percentile, then Public universities like UM, UKM, UPM and USM are very selective, so they have more good students inside from all social classes. While Monash Malaysia, being the most expensive university to get into, and it is the most expensive, I talked to the external relations guy at Monash, not all the smart kids could afford Monash Malaysia. So thats left Monash being a Rich kids university with all kinds of grades inside haha.

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Apr 12 2009, 08:17 PM

YEah !!

UPM also ... very selective indeed

Whoa cool! thanks man, you just proved my point in my previous post (see below check page 8 ):
The only difference is that public universities in malaysia have excellent students from different social classes, so you have the kampung girl who got straight As, a guy from rempit family who turned smart and got a scholarship, some chinese pasar malam tauke's son who managed to score himself in, some indian farmer's son who studied hard to get in...means you'll see different types of social behavior and attitude that probably makes you go "Eww..." and think the quality of students there are low standard, but think about it, smart people don't always come from rich families and those people are not as lucky as everyone else.

And some of them grew up in a rough place.

Sorry but you just bust yourself out haha. You think you're pretty smart aren't you.




yeah so can those stpm students go Monash if they didn't do well again in stpm if they're not rich? That’s the point, and you just answered it. They can’t. The thing is, you’re not answering my questions Because earlier you were talking about straight A students that couldn’t get gov scholarship but could apply to other scholarships like ASEAN, Fullbright etc, well I already told you, those scholarships are looking for Top straight As students as well! Just like gov scholarships and for those other scholarships they are even more competitive than gov scholarships because they are open to not just all races, but some of them open for people from other countries as well like ASEAN! making it very hard for you to get, harder than JPA or Petronas scholarships. Meaning very LITTLE of these straight As students will get it and how can the 4As-9As students get those kinds of scholarships? It would be even harder for them. I’m not fumbling but you are fumbling about things. Check back what you said.









No, you didn’t say that, you said



So you’re talking saying that for athletes to get in universities or scholarships they need to excel in studies as well? Well, my friend’s friend just had an average SAT score. And look at this, here’s a proof that any tom d*** and harry can enter university because he can throw balls better.

http://www.collegeadmissionspartners.com/c...s-for-athletes/



Hey man the thing is, I don’t behave like that and you have no proof that I am promoting racial biasness here, I’m only telling you things based on race here right now because the reality of it currently, and wherever you are in Malaysia, you still have to face this right now so you need to learn how to navigate your way through here if you want a good education and is not very rich. You have to be realistic about Malaysia right now. Instead I was offered a place at UiTM Malacca and my parents wanted me to go there but I quit UiTM because UiTM was a malay-only place, they never told me that it was bumiputra only until after I found out when I’m there. I am from a mix heritage, Malay + Chinese, so I see things from both sides. My friends from high school are majority Chinese. But other than that, you still never read history. But I think you seem to have racism here because most of the Malay and Indian communities are poor and you never think about them. You seem to be comfortable with your Chinese-majority monash surrounding. Trust me, even America that is currently equal-rights right now has scholarships for black people and native American people and they still give easier admission for native Americans and blacks. http://www.montana.edu/wwwnss/images/Nativ...arshipGuide.pdf

And check this out, even one of the most selective school in the WORLD like MIT Massachusets of Technology are admitting students based on race (to help the poorer students).

http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/...ion/index.shtml

“In undergraduate recruitment and selection, MIT looks at each application holistically, taking account of many different factors that have shaped a student's experience, including his or her racial, ethnic, social, economic and educational context. We believe it is crucial for the successful future of our world to educate people from every walk of life, and we take great pride in the diversity of our student body, which is typically made up of 19-22% underrepresented minority groups.”

You have to be realistic, even in the US, they USED to face racial discrimination and now they needed help and the US give them help base on race. I’m not promoting racial biasness here its just that to balance things out for future generations we need to fix something that people did in history.

See, even MIT is helping people based on race because of HISTORY. We all know how reputable MIT is, not even the smartest kid in my school could get in MIT. This year there is only 1 Malaysian that got in MIT. Each year only 1 or 2 people could get in the ivy league universities. If everyone were to behave like you, people would still think the world is flat. It already shows that you don’t read history and you don’t care to fix it and you don’t care about other people. What you mean by equal opportunities is actually YOUR OWN OPPORTUNITY. Do you care if the Indian people are gonna die of starvation later when you take out the quota for Indians at public schools? Would you fight for them later on if you get your special opportunity? I bet not. Cause from what you said earlier as well, it already shows how selfish you are thinking that low class people are low standard.

If can I do want things to be based on merit only also, but reality doesn’t have that currently. Only future generations can change it. Are you gonna help me change it in the future if I say I would fight for equal opportunities?





Yes dude, I already know they send mara,jpa, petronas to Monash, because I know the external relations guy there haha. The scholarships students are those that couldn’t fly to overseas under those scholarships but they’re still just a small percentage. Means the rest are all still rich kids haha and you can’t deny that, just admit it.

If you’re saying I’m apartheid? Then what is MIT doing? Haha. That means you’re saying MIT is apartheid as well. One of the best universities of the best universities in the world you are labelling as apartheid. This is the common sense of Malaysians, they always think America is fully equal opportunities. The only difference is that America was controlled by the people that conquered, Malaysia is controlled by the people that were “conquer-ed”.


Anyway, I just realized that your English is not very good. I kinda got confused when reading your post, and you’re probably confused yourself haha. Because I've dealed with americans before for about 2 years, and I seem to have a problem understanding you more than them haha. Thanks man for replying to my posts, because now I can see the standard of mentality and English that SOME monash Malaysia students have. I’ll take note of that when I’m there. Anyway to other Monash students, I'm sorry about this, just want to teach this fella to not be selfish.

And Serlarhc, I kindly suggest you read malaysian history and american history before coming out with your statements that are mainly just your opinions of things. Because the way you see things might be biased by how you grew up and the environment you grew up in, and thats why MIT has an affirmative action. And I believe you didn't grew up in an environment that let's you see thing from both sides of everything

In undergraduate recruitment and selection, MIT looks at each application holistically, taking account of many different factors that have shaped a student's experience, including his or her racial, ethnic, social, economic and educational context. - Massachusets Institute of Technology, Top 10 Universities of the world in Times Higher Education - QS Universities World Ranking.

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Apr 12 2009, 11:13 PM

errr did i heard rich kids do better?
i tink actually is those poor kids, coz dey got more motivated to studies

@ Iliveunderwater and SeLrAhC,

alright enough is enough. this is a dedicated monash thread in a bid to help current and prospective monash students. what you guys are doing, is merely generalising malaysian students (both in private and public institutions) into one big lump of category.


however, if you still insist on carrying out this "massacre", i do suggest a brand new thread, away from this one.


anyway i'm in no way affiliated to SeLrAhC, but you are clearly picking on him (from where i'm staying right now). he was just replying to a very simple question i.e. "hows the quality of students there? lol", in which he said "much higher than most other colleges in msia". now why on earth did you even attempt to bring in public universities into the picture?


on the other hand, i do publicly acknowledge that the malaysian sunway campus has still a lot of catching up to do. having studied in the uk before (and now in clayton), i can distinctively observe the marked differences between sunway campus and the australian one. FYI, i did a year in sunway before transferring over to clayton.


one may argue that the sunway campus is still new (bla bla bla) and we ought to give her time to mature and flower et cetera, but at the end of the day, the sunway campus is still supposed to be a (enormous) money making machine for both the sunway group and monash. having said that, not many parents/guardians can afford to splurge that amount of money to send their beloved children to monash (even to the so-called local "version"). needlessly to say, monash sunway has to figure out a way to generate wealth, even if it means that sunway has to accept these crappy students (as described by you guys).


however at the end of the day, only the fittest will survive (or in this case, graduate). hence what is the actual point of debating the caliber/standard of the students being introduced by monash sunway in the first place?

lowering doesnt mean they are failed students... do u have their results or r u quoting based on an article? n the site u quote from is just like an blog. no names ntg. it is a site with no academic value. well, u might just be jealous of ur friend, he might not get super high SAT results, but are urs higher than his? what's ur friends name? or u r just saying baseless statements.

what US is doing doesnt mean it is right, they attack iraq doesnt mean it is right, they jail ppl in guantanamo doesnt mean it is right.

and what MIT is doing is to diversify their students, unlike MARA/ or any public unis which gives short cuts to certain ppl because of their skin colour.

they are allowing minorities not just because of their skin colour but also their results. u think just because ur skin is darker u can enter? think twice. they are allowing the cream of the crop of each community to enter.

i am not saying that lower class dont have the opportunity to move up, just that they have to work harder. if everything is based on merit and not skin colour, the world would be a better place. jpa takes in account of family income, and this provides opportunity for the good and poor students to excel. if u dont get good results, u expect the ppl to give u fundings just because u r poor? u only have urself to blame if u dont do well.

you have ur rights, and you can say what u want, i shall let other ppl judge me and u. and dont u try to belittle me just because u spoke to some american. i live among them for 3 years and will be going back next week.

btw, do u get confused because u dont understand what am i posting or is it your english instead? i wonder...

Any economics major here? Hope to knw more info about it from u guys..

And for Business..If I do double majors how many subjects would I have each sem? 8?

econ major here just start =o
msia campus btw

yeah 8

So that means no need to take those elective thingy subjects right?

if u double major shud be..
every subs is arranged for u ady n u dun hv slots for other electives dy
i oni major econs nt double major so not relli sure

huh? if i m not mistaken we only have 4 subjects each sem ... in the case of double majors..

why not choose double major? Still pay same fees right? Still thinking on wat to study if I got admitted...

4 units per semester is the typically recommended combination. however only under special circumstances, one may apply for underload or overload.

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Added on April 13, 2009, 12:50 amyou may be paying the equal amount of fees, but towards the final year, you may be bogged down with the third year level units (leaving no room to breathe). this may indirectly affect your overall GPA/average marks with you attempting to juggle between the two majors (especially if they are of a tough nature).


it is a bit of risk management decision. let's say for instance, you wanna be an accountant and you are aiming to work in a top firm (in which, they usually stipulate a minimum GPA of 3.0). therefore in this case, there is clearly no incentive for you, to complete a double major degree; you may as well attempt to take up relatively (note relatively) easier units to boost up your chances of securing those requirements.

This post has been edited by nokia2003: Apr 13 2009, 12:50 AM

Not necessarily. Each major has got a certain number of subjects that you'll need to take. So if you're to double major, what it means is that you'll need to fulfill the required subjects for both majors. You may or may not have anymore slots, depending on your combination.

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Added on April 13, 2009, 12:54 amits up to you really, but think about it, what exactly is a major anyways? its basically to state that you've taken enough subjects from a particular department for you to be considered that you've majored in that particular area. Basically, those in business needs at least one major. However the choice of whether to take on a second major or not also depends on your area of interest. Not doing a second major will give you more room to take other subjects across the different areas, or even from other courses (assuming that you can meet the requirements of the other courses). taking on subjects from IT or Communications had been a rather popular choice before.

This post has been edited by fyire: Apr 13 2009, 12:54 AM

Hmm..Choices choices..Pity there's no stats on percentage of Business students who took double majors or anything? Would really love to compare..

As for taking the electives from other faculty, I might as well taking something related to business..Then again,its up to myself to decide..Thanks for the advice..Valuable..

This post has been edited by Eisenmeteor: Apr 13 2009, 01:04 AM

Actually, just to let you see things more clearly, I'm not actually picking on him that much, just that he generalize Monash students "much higher than most other colleges in msia". You can't say that, what he meant might also include public universities that are very reputable. Look at what he thinks of Public Universities students

He's ditching public university students. I mean even you know that Monash students aren't "much higher than most other colleges in msia" because of those extra students for extra money. So how can Monash Malaysia's quality of student be of higher standard than public universities students from UM, USM, UKM, UPM that are top 230-300+ in the world, are very selective and admits mostly excellent students and not any average rich boy because he's rich. That's why this guy really needs to watch what he is saying because people come in here to get information about the colleges/universities they're going into so I just want people to get the correct un-biased facts about things and not useless gossips or rumours that have nothing to do with the courses or etc. The reason why I do pick on him at some parts there is because he's been posting bad rumours about other uni such as MMU as well in the MMU thread and people were complaing about him. I mean, why do you have to spread bad rumours about other universities? This section of this forum is should be about giving information about the more academic stuff of the universities, not gossips or rumours. Just because every uni has some bad kids doesnt mean the whole uni is bad. Just like how Monash has some extra money making kids in it. There were also others I've seen simple posting bad rumours at other university's thread. Go take a look at the Swinburne vs MMU thread and some UPM thread.




Who's talking about failed students? Quote article? Man, didn't you press the link within that link? http://www.collegeadmissionspartners.com/c...s-for-athletes/
go click on possible violations of NCAA recruiting rules. It's a news from the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/n...gin&oref=slogin
I'm not jealous of my friend because he is not even my friend, he's just a friend of a friend. In fact I was considering to be just like him, that's why I asked about the ice hockey team at monash, I like sports.

What do you mean the links i gave have no academic value?
for tunku abdul rahman's quote its lim kit siang's website man. That's credible enough. If you want more credible, it's written in Tunku Abdul Rahman's Book called "Political Awakening".

for the rest, like the World University Ranking, its from the Times Higher Education World Ranking Website man.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university_...s/fullrankings/
go google if you dont believe me. This is the official website for the world ranking from Times.
When you're there, Check the Ranking of Monash University and then check the country listed. It's Australia. Not Malaysia, South Africa...etc. The other guy from swinburne university australia was also doubting the standard of Swinburne Malaysia.

and the MIT statement was from the official MIT website. go google. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/...ion/index.shtml
The native american scholarship is from montana university website http://www.montana.edu/wwwnss/images/Nativ...arshipGuide.pdf



Nope, that's the thing you just contradicted yourself. First you say what US is doing isn't right, but then you promote that MIT what MIT is doing is to diversify. It shows that you're supporting the US. Come on man, read US history, they're clearly doing that because of the damage that was done for 200 years before they give equal opportunities.

What you say about Mara is clearly baseless and seriously typical non-bumiputra statement that usually comes out of nowhere. It's not something new. What Mara is doing is to diversify the economy, read malaysian history too man. and Mara doesn't accept students that easily man, lately I just called Mara for overseas scholarship asking if I could change course when I wanted to apply for the scholarship then they asked me how much my cgpa was for my diploma and I said 3.5 cgpa, the minimum cgpa for the scholarship was 3.5 and they say that if I want to change course, usually the panel of interviewers would not support me as it is not something I can try just like that. See what I mean? They still look at academic achievements. And the panel of interviewers are not Mara people but lecturers according to their majors and I'm not doing Medic or engineering dude, I'm doing mass communication and I wanted to change to finance, you thought bumis could get a scholarship with 3.5 cgpa? If I could get that scholarship so easily I wouldn't be here talking to you about Monash university and the ice hockey club. Now I can't take SAT nor even fly to the US because even with 3.5cgpa which is considered already quite good, they won't support me, that's why I have to join local universities because MARA take merit into account and they don't support all courses, they only support those critical courses like medic, engineering, finance, account.. Don't believe me, call MARA http://www.mara.gov.my/web/guest/home <-- number's. The indians have their own quotas and Maika to support them. You can also google Mara's Skim Pelajar Cemerlang SPC Scholarship. I have a copy that I keep showing the eligiblity, you want me to show you in person? PM me and I'll give you my hp number and we can meet up. 3.5 CGPA is like the standard minimum eligibility for any other scholarships that are open for all races as well man. You want lower minimum eligibility? 3.4 cgpa minimumTake the MONBUKAGAKUSHO japanese scholarship 2009 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/652226
My sister didn't even get the MARA scholarship last time back because last time they put the minimum requirements to be 3.8 CGPA for medicine, and she got 3.49 CGPA for the matriculation with her 2nd semester being 3.8 gpa.

MIT affirmative action functions almost just the same.

You seriously haven't answered my question, If I were to fight for equal opportunities in the future, would you actually join me? This is the only way to prove that you actually care for others that are poor.

For your information JPA and MARA do take in account family income. Just look at what these people here at this Malaysian students community forum are talking about :

http://www.recom.org/forum/showthread.php?p=126128

Not just that, my chinese friend just got Rm600 000k scholarship to study in the US and as you may not know he is not even that poor to begin with, he had money to go to the US on his own but because he was an excellent student in my school last time, JPA gave him a scholarship, and let me tell you this, during his JPA scholarship meeting, there were 6 students that were given scholarships to go to the US and ALL of them were non-bumiputras. Surprise? They do take merit in account. You wanna meet him? I seriously can intro him to you when he comes back for break. Maybe you're jealous because you didn't get any scholarship so you blame MARA or JPA as being racist when they're actually just being like MIT. So you wanna meet my friend?

A lot of the scholarships in Malaysia are given to poorer kampung people as well, my other friend who is under JPA scholarship to study in Australia lately was sent to study in australia along with a bunch Malaysian students that are mostly kampung people until he got really sick of them cause he was from the city.

Like I said, Malaysia is a country ruled by the people who were "conquered" and resources stole and society divided into different races by the British Divide and Rule Strategy. They even divided india into 3, bangladesh, india and pakistan. America is a land of the red indians that was conquered by the europeans including british people. Means the america you see now is ruled by the "Conquerors". So you can't expect Malaysia to use the same affirmative action. If you're a smart person that cares about the poor, and knows history, you would think about this.

If there was no what you called as "shorter cuts" as in no quotas for the Malays and Indians and no MARA for the Malays nor Maika for the indians in Malaysia back since then, then Malaysia right now would have a few cities filled with very rich chinese communities and the majority of the rest of Malaysia would be filled with the Malaysian version of skinny african kids mainly from Malay and Indian ethnicities as a result from the british divide and rule strategy and their unequal opportunities given to the races back in the days of the British Colonization. Is that what you've been dreaming off? Totally heartless. Read up on Malaysian History and American History, Seriously man.

Get confused because of my english? You want me to get my american friend here to clarify that for you?

Ok SelrahC, I don't wanna flood this thread with arguments, I just want you to start knowing the proper facts and stop spreading useless information around here and also to care about the poor people. Just because you're rich does not mean that you don't need to help the poor. This is about defending justice and giving others opportunities. And I'm not talking about this just because I want my rights or anything, I dont even have any rights to claim. I already have my rights as a bumiputra if I want some special juice. If only you could think the same.

So now I'm gonna save you that one last post for you give me your best proof to counter me regarding ALL the things and EVERY single thing that I have said and I'm not gonna fight back. And you must have good history knowledge as well for your counter-attack. The opportunity is all yours man. Let the people decide which information is more truthful and selfless.

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Apr 13 2009, 03:53 AM

useless or not people can judge, u agree or dont agree i couldnt care less. you have your views. i respect that. would like to argue but mod dont allow. so if u want, start a new thread.