You are obviously narrow-minded, and refuse to even understand what I am saying.

If you choose that path, chances are very very very very very very very very very slim for you.

Look at the bright side, if you work hard, you will have some money in your savings in case of an emergency.

Here is a scenario.

A woman get to marry a rich husband who owns business empire of shopping complexes and retaurants.
For years of their marriage things were sweet like heaven, business is good, children gets to go schools and the woman gets to shopping.
One day something goes wrong, economy crisis has hit that man's business pretty badly and people quickly disposed of the shares.
Shares prices dropped and the business get sued for bankruptcy due to mismanagement of funds, and due to the risk the company has endure and invested.

What can this fulltime wife/mother do to help her husband, no working knowledge or experience apart from knowing how to spend for shopping and baby-sitting and raising a child?

Let me answer that basically nothing!!

On the other side, if a woman who knows something can at least tell the husband, I have worked and had some savings to cushion the lost, I will handle the kids, so you can concentrate on reviving the business or can give recommendation on how to get back up and start a new business.

Here is a scenario.

A woman get to marry a rich husband who owns business empire of shopping complexes and retaurants.
For years of their marriage things were sweet like heaven, business is good, children gets to go schools and the woman gets to shopping.
One day something goes wrong, economy crisis has hit that man's business pretty badly and people quickly disposed of the shares.
Shares prices dropped and the business get sued for bankruptcy due to mismanagement of funds, and due to the risk the company has endure and invested.

What can this fulltime wife/mother do to help her husband, no working knowledge or experience apart from knowing how to spend for shopping and baby-sitting and raising a child?

Let me answer that basically nothing!!

On the other side, if a woman who knows something can at least tell the husband, I have worked and had some savings to cushion the lost, I will handle the kids, so you can concentrate on reviving the business or can give recommendation on how to get back up and start a new business.



debbieyss which side will you stand?

I have got nothing against mothers whether they work or not working.
I have never looked down on you. It is you who said it or admited of being looked down.
No one can look down on you unless you looked down on yourself.
Don't put words in my mouth that I did not said. You should retract your statement.
Your every post potrays that you never worked before, becoz emphasizing on marrying a rich husband.
So you made yourself looked and seems that way.

If I don't respect or I looked down you I won't be even replying to you and this post since this morning.

Can't your see in everyway I am actually highlighting and encouraging that you (or woman in general) have a potential to work and contribute to the industy?

Gemstones, pretty high risk business. Now I see you have a specialized profession.
To be honest, gemstone is not my cup of tea, my first and last visit to the gemstone store, i forgotten the name or in which country definite not in Malaysia, i bought a piece of card with a small sample of every gemstone on it. They are colorful indeed.

When your child is has grow up and requires less of your attention, I would say you probably want to re-enter your profession again, and maybe your child can help in your gemstone store business.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 7 2009, 05:30 PM

You are indeer very independent since a very young age.
If you have create yourself a financial back up, sufficiently ,you can quit the job and be a fulltime mother.
Your case has a few points that closely match this scenario. If you care to read.



In the above scenario man never ask woman to work. Because both are already working.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 7 2009, 05:48 PM

TOTALLY agree, debbie is not money minded.
Your bf is a lucky man, having you as his gf, and he will more lucky having you as his wife.

People who has gone through bitterness and hardships of life will know.

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Added on October 7, 2009, 5:53 pmI have to go pick up my gf from work.
As I really love her very much.
I do this all the time sending her to work and picking up back from work to help reducing the stress of driving under heavy traffic conditions.


It is nice debate.


Moorish, I am just voicing out my opinions, no offences and no hard feelings.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 7 2009, 05:54 PM

I choose to be on hawk's side also.


Yes agree, that's what I have been always highlighting to moorish and she keeps rejecting it.

This thread is getting quiet liao.
After an all day long debate.

I think whatever happens, we all have to face reality.
Being rich regardless of gender only gives you a slight advantage over the other the poor.

In reality still we are exposed to the same weather, work and stress. The poor can work hard and smart to be rich, and on the other hand if being rich but not properly manage, will also results to losing a fortune.

I already replied to you. I never said I look down on people being fulltime mother, at all.
Don't put words on me that I never say out.

If you have worked before and create some solid financial back up, no one will stop you from being a fulltime mother.

You said it and admited yourself that your are being looked down.

No one can look down on you, unless you yourself admit it and look down on yourself.

Apparently you have made your choice. Not that I made the choice for you.

In case if moorish if you don't get my reply. I said it since around 4.57pm.

Please read those in bold.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 7 2009, 11:19 PM

Look at her reply to my post in red color.

It seems like she is out of words and her only defense now is labeling us looking down on fulltime mothers. But actually we are not.

It is so obvious that she is a parasite leeching her husband's money. Let me tell you there is nothing wrong for husband giving money to his wife.
It is her attitude and mindset of expecting & over-insisted it that makes it wrong.

Similarly, I can put it in a way of a spoil-bred child everytime taking money from his very rich father and refusing to work and not willing face reality knowing that his father has more than enough money to support him for generations to come until one day there is nothing left!!!

I have seen many fulltime mothers are way better off than you, in terms of attitude and mindset. They obviously don't have fulltime employment, their attitude and mind-set will at least makes them do something more than just raising a child, in contributing to household income, because they wanted improvement and development for themselves and the family as a whole. They know what it means by hard-earn cash made by their husband with "sweat and blood". Money don't just fall freely from the sky.

You work in the gemstone industry for years and still earning less than 2K per month.
Haven't you thought of why or where the problem is?

Again because you resist to change for better, and if you don't change or improve yourself, your income won't change. Again it is the attitude and mindset.

You only go out to work when problem arise?
Wouldn't it be a little too late? Remember we ages over time, and we may losses the working capacity we used to have previously.
I bought an umbrella not because it was raining at that time, but it is to prepared when it really rains.

Our parents always teaches us "Taste bitter first, before we taste sweet".

Chinese proverb.

A boy ask for a fish each day, and each day he is given a fish from a fisherman.
One day the boy decided to asked the fisherman how did you catch so many fish.
Fisherman then teaches the boy the methods of fishing, and instantly the boy learned it.
After many tries and practices, the boy can go fishing with the fisherman together they catch more fish.


This will be my last post for you, moorish.
If you still don't get the point, then you have a serious problem. You are stubborn.


silverhawk, your words are well said and done.
I find that it is pointless for all us to "talk" to you about this, moorish you are obviously selfish and it is all about what you want.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 8 2009, 08:15 AM

I believe you owe me an answer for the above statement?
Please proceed with your defence.

Out of words? And skip the lines?

It's a shame on you, we debate using points and facts, not by calling or cursing people by names.

At least you see some good in me. If you talk about I am coming from a sincere heart, then yes. Maybe I used the wrong terms the word "parasite" or "leeching" is a little too harsh. I will take it back.

It nothing wrong for a husband to give money to his wife. In fact, it is a responsibility of being a man and part of manhood. This I strongly agree.

It is the attitude and mindset of expecting & over-insisted it that makes it morally wrong.

Similarly, I can put it in a way of a spoil-bred child everytime taking money from his very rich father and refusing to work and not willing face reality knowing that his father has more than enough money to support him for generations to come until one day there is nothing left!!!

You can't just totally leave the money-minded part fully to the male. In fact I am not denying my gender responsibility as a male, but in fact I respect more to gender equality, building a family takes 2 instead of one.

I have seen many fulltime mothers are way better off than you, in terms of attitude and mindset. They obviously don't have fulltime employment, their attitude and mind-set will at least makes them do something more than just raising a child, in contributing to household income, because they wanted improvement and development for themselves and the family as a whole. They know what it means by hard-earn cash made by their husband with "sweat and blood". Money don't just fall freely from the sky.

You work in the gemstone industry for years and still earning less than 2K per month.
Haven't you thought of why or where the problem is?

Again because you resist to change for better, and if you don't change or improve yourself, your income won't change. Again it is the attitude and mindset.

You only go out to work when problem arise?
Wouldn't it be a little too late? Remember we ages over time, and we may losses the working capacity we used to have previously as our health deteriorates.
I bought an umbrella not because it was raining at that time, but it is to prepared when it really rains.



What's your stand on my above statement?

Man and woman has their own responsibility both biologically and capacitatively.



Fast forward to the present.


Whether women should work or are biologically fulltime mothers or do both, it is still debatable and questionable.
However, external forces such as economy and competition of better life actually slowly leads the modern women to do both. Evolution has allowed us human to learn and adapt for survival and obviously women has evolved in some way by entering the work force.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 9 2009, 12:33 AM

Man and woman has their own responsibility both biologically and capacitatively.

Fast forward to the present.


Whether women should work or are biologically fulltime mothers or do both, it is still debatable and questionable. For now.

However, external forces such as economy and competition of better life actually slowly leads and pushes the modern women to do both which is biological fulltime mother and enters the work-force in most industry. In turns, actually favours to men because we have been doing that since existence of mankind. Women are just catching up. Being a man is better off

Evolution has allowed us human to learn and adapt for survival. Men can adapt to it faster and can endure better than women.

Moorish is obviously the conventional type of woman who refuses change, and waiting to be phased out in future generations. She may be lucky to get a husband who can sustain her using money of course.

In economy terms it is the demand creates the supply. Men are obviously attracted to a pretty woman with a beautiful face, big boobs ,voluptuous figure with evenly proportions of curves that actually symbolizes she can bear good and healthy offspring. So what? Many more women out there to choose. But when women becomes overly demanding be it money or something else it is a real turn off to men.

We men MUST UNITE and raise our standards in choosing our girlfriends or wives, never choose the overly greedy and overly lazy women. The moment the woman behaves that way, give chance and educate them, leave those who are unteachable. Don't get blinded by beauty or lust, you must see through a woman mind. Many more choices out there.

Majority of men think the same way, and decide based on logic and rational. Which is true, because majority of men like the same toys like Playstation, nice cars and lot more which girls don't even pay attention. Men are rarely affected by emotion. Another advantage.

The weakness of woman is time, because their beauty don't last. Thus makes them depreciating over time.

Men are in fact appreciating overtime in terms of creating wealth, stability and a sustainable life. Got money in hand, women come to us. To find one who is really not in-for-the-money we have to slowly pick and choose. No hurry men, it is women who is in a hurry because they are depreciating.

Women has menopause. Men do go through that stage of life but not as serious as women.

Women population are more than men, which is another advantage to us men. Larger numbers, don't always win.

Because the market forces, economy, competition, demanding parents who teach their children both boy and girl to grow up independent biologically and financially. When now we already have a vast majority of women in the job market, the minority of women who are still dreaming of being fulltime mothers will either HAVE TO follow suit fearing that they are in fact losing out or being left behind unwanted.

One example is Beauty Pageant. The criteria of women isn't about being physically beautiful but also must have attitude and brains and some other abilities in order to win. Although it is only a TV program, but seeing women competing really impresses us men that what women would do to win crown. It is a spectacular display of skills and knowledge, instead of just being beautiful and having a sexy body because all of them are pretty makes it an equal battle ground. skills and knowledge = ability to work and earn money.

Moorish may have made a win for now, but in the long run more and more women will disagree with you. Because every woman can be a mother, but some will criticises you for your inability to ___________ , what everybody else able to do. You fill in the blanks.



Both men and women are money minded? Is nothing be proud of. It's just a survival instinct.

Being money minded, and doing nothing about it, is really BIG SHAME.

Doing something wrong is not a shame but at least better than doing nothing at all to earn money.

Expecting & demanding money from others to be given to him/her is like begging. Another shame..

Borrowing money and not paying back is also a BIG SHAME like stealing or robbing someone.



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Men and women being money minded, driven and fuel by the greed to earn money, will learns skills and master techniques to earn money.
Continuously working HARD and earning MORE money and making BIG achievements in career.

THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.


This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 9 2009, 02:26 AM

Women will marry a man based financial background and insisting on marrying a rich man.

Men are initially attracted to women because of beauty and lust but only will invest in a women based on her skills and knowledge.

Men should boycott money minded women who just insisted on marrying=no need to work.

These type of women is not worthy of men's love, time and money.

Similarly, I can put it in a way of a spoil-bred child everytime taking money from his very rich father and refusing to work and not willing face reality knowing that his father has more than enough money to support him for generations to come until one day there is nothing left!!! To him money equals luxury cars, entertainment and many women and work less.

The female version of a spoil-bred girl is that she doing the exact same action taking money from the parents, going shopping everyday, visiting women spa, beauty centers doing facial, Gucci, LV, and the worst thing apart from spending her family's money, is cheating men for buying her expensive gifts.

Moorish you are no different to the female version of spoil-bred, only different is that you are practicing this on a smaller scale towards your husband !!!!

You have no knowledge, not working skill or abilities, but just expecting, DEMANDING AND INSISTING your husband to handle everything. In fact you have worked and earn money before but refusing to work. That's just BEING IRRESPONSIBLE & SELFISH woman!!!!!




Let's turn it around, and say a man who marries a rich woman, and expects her to give him money to spend. He said he just want to be a fulltime father and not willing to work, because the woman he marries is rich enough to support him forever. That's ALSO BEING IRRESPONSIBLE & SELFISH MAN !!!


This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 9 2009, 10:18 AM

Being a FULLTIME MOTHER is something that needs to be EARNED.

When moorish is out of words. She always say we looked down on fulltime mothers. Shame on you moorish.

In fact we only look down on lazy and incapable women who buys the idea of marrying a rich man in order to achieve being a fulltime mothers. Nothing to be proud of because she is only in for the man's money.

We look highly on men and women who work hard together to create the environment that the women can retire and be a fulltime mother.

When women chooses a man to be husband women want quality. The same applies to when a men choosing a wife who is worthy of his investments.



I have got many boys and girls who posted here are supporting my point which ultimately accepting REALITY.

Husband giving money to wife is nothing wrong.
Wife asking money from husband is also nothing wrong.

It is the attitude and mindset and how ask for it.


This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 10 2009, 12:35 AM

debbiesys and spunkberry are very mature in their thinking and stand on the side of reality, and ready to take on challenge of being working mothers

they deserve my fullest respect.

Moorish.

You said I look down on fulltime mothers, which is too general. Don't you DARE try to link yourself to some fulltime mothers that are more competent and capable and with good attitude and mindset than you.


I LOOK DOWN ON FULLTIME MOTHERS WHO ARE LAZY INCAPABLE AND INCOMPETENT AND ONLY KNOW HOWS TO LEECH MONEY FROM THEIR HUSBAND!!!! EVEN PROSTITUTES DESERVE SOME RESPECT TO THE LEAST THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK THEMSELVES TO EARN MONEY !!!!!!
YOU ARE WORST THAN ANY OF THEM !!!!! BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE FULLTIME MOTHER WHO DESERVE RESPECT. WORST STILL NOT WORTHY OF A MAN TO INVEST HIS LOVE TIME AND MONEY ON YOU.
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I and many others look highly on men and women who work hard together to create the environment that ALLOWS women TO retire and be a fulltime mother, and then decades later the men retires and enjoy retirement life. It is because both men and women deserved this for their hardwork and hard earned achievements.


YOU DON'T DESERVE IT BECAUSE YOU NEVER WANT TO WORK AT ALL.NEVER EVEN TRIED ENOUGH.


Men and women be it they are fulltime fathers or mothers, who are lazy, incapable, incompetent and refuse to face reality don't deserve any respect at ALL. They only deserve to be looked down and despised by other men and women are competing courageously and in the challenging, violent and ever-changing work market and economy.

I despise people like you for the fact that you are only capable of you biological responsibility and being a irresponsible human being for not contributing to the society, not evolving for the better, and incompetent in the name of mankind and your existence.

Your attitude and mindset is so twisted that you resist nature and whatever happen in reality. I doubt your will passed on good genes to your offspring, and understandably you will teach your kids to be like you. I really felt pitiful for the man who marries you. You always think you are RIGHT and all of us are WRONG.

Therefore you are not worthy of respect from others and women like you will either be EXTINCT because others change for the better to follow suit to join thw work force and learned ability to earn money. There are more working women and working mothers than before. In my office there is a working mother of 3 children, we all treat her well and with respect. She sometimes brought her kids to the office.


Me as a responsible man here will obviously do my best to take care of my future wife, but not a lazy, incapable, incompetent woman who refuse to face reality and who don't deserve any respect at ALL.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 10 2009, 01:34 AM

in short, one day her husband lost some money for some failed business dealings and maybe start all over to a lower living standard

I predict she will divorce the man and marry another rich man. By the time she already has a baby and grew older. No man want woman like her attitude.

I only predicted another possibility with no intentions on causing misfortune to her.
At least a majority of us men and women are capable and competing in the working market.
Please tell your girlfriends to follow your positive atttitude and be energetic, and be competent like you.
Having the right attitude really makes a girl a lot more attractive apart from physical beauty.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 1:44 amBoth men and women are money minded.
It is not wrong being money mind.

The only wrong is stealing money.
Begging for money is wrong.
Borrowing money and no repaying back is wrong.
Demanding for money from others but not willing contribute effort for it. (Similar to stealing or begging)

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 10 2009, 01:45 AM

life of a lazy fulltime housewife before be mother and after be mother, no need work but asking money from husband.

Here is what happen.

Before be mother

As Husband for pocket money which she use for her shopping, grocery and household necessities and maybe some appliances. the extra money spend on beauty and cosmetics, pay utility bills ,and some for savings. The rest of the day or the time in between is spent at home do some housework or gossiping with some other lazy ladies about other people or their own husbands. Sex, romance and other people marital problems or family problems is often them hot topic, which turns out nothing useful after every chit-chat session and can spoil one's mind after listening all the negative stuffs. Sometimes play mahjong. This will go on and on everyday, with a little change of mode of entertainment like movies, karaoke, travel, of sometimes paying visits to friends or family.

After Being Mother.

Ask husband give MORE pocket money because must take care baby. Again the money IS SPENT ON shopping, baby products ,grocery and household necessities and maybe some appliances, pay bills. Not much extra money spend on beauty and cosmetics because more time is spent on taking care of the baby. The rest of the day or the time in between is spent at home do some housework or gossiping with some other aunties about other people or their own husbands. This time added one more topic for gossiping about babies and who's child can perform better in school. This is showing-off session about their kids everytime they meet up in the market. Some bargaining and haggling at the market with the vegetable grocer is a common sight among these fulltime housewifes. This will go on and on everyday, with a little change of mode of entertainment like movies, karaoke, travel, of sometimes paying visits to friends or family.

So what is there to be so PROUD OF???!!!! Other than spending your husband money on all those above?

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Oct 11 2009, 11:58 PM