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darklight79
post Apr 17 2009, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 16 2009, 11:36 PM)
i wish i can lose weight even without going gym. haha...
i think i will gain weight if i dont go gym for weeks.
coz of the fats i am going to accumulate.

u even said u lost 5kg.... gosh... i dont get it. hahaha....
i thought u would be gaining 5kg instead.
well, wats ur arms stat? 17 or 18 inch?
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No if i take an extended layoff I reduce calories but maintain a high protein intake for maintenance. Last i measured it was 17.2 during cutting phase. Can't be bothered to measure now. Lol. Shit i feel like going Habeeb's for shisha. Wanna join me?

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post Apr 18 2009, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Apr 18 2009, 10:40 AM)
No offence to anyone. But I find this statement funny.
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How come?


Added on April 18, 2009, 2:42 pm
QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 18 2009, 10:33 AM)
Hope i can match that in 2 months,current max for 5 reps is only 80kgs.
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You'll get there. I deadlift every 2-3 months. My cooldown set is 315lbs x 12, max at 510lbs. Best part is I don't train for the deadlift. I just do it for fun when i feel like it. Specializing in the deadlift is not worth it for me, because I'm not built to deadlift but some people are natural powerhouses when it comes to that exercise. I'm sure you can.

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post Apr 18 2009, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 18 2009, 02:53 PM)
Thanx for the encouragement bro.

I think i am built for bench press,lol,first time trying to go heavy after 3 months today;
Warmup=40kgs
worksets:
1x20x50kgs
1x18x60kgs
1x16x70kgs
1x8x100kgs

That was without spotter,i definitely can go heavier with one.
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I haven't done barbell benching in years. Only exclusively dumbells for chest but it looks good.
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post Apr 18 2009, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 18 2009, 06:09 PM)
Darkie, you don't deadlift often but you squat often right? I rarely barbell bench too.
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Yeah I alternate between squat as leg presses but always add in leg extensions, leg curls etc.
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post Apr 18 2009, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 18 2009, 06:24 PM)
I use barbell bench presses for warming up on chest days. Only dumbbells for worksets though.
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Yeah, dumbells are awesome. I posted a video of me dumbell pressing a while ago. Don't know if you guys seen it.
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post Apr 19 2009, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 18 2009, 09:47 PM)
I do barbell bench presses at times to give myself a little motivation by lifting slightly heavier than before. Even though it isn't much.  blush.gif

Tried benching 70kg today. Managed 5 reps, but failed the 6th rep. I had to roll the bar on my stomach onto my legs cause there was nobody in the gym then. >_> Good thing I had just enough strength left in me to do that. I don't think I'll be repeating that.  unsure.gif
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Shit. I've been through that. I had to roll a damn 100 kilo of my chest about... 5 years ago. Lol! I could hear the bar grinding against my ribs. That sucked man.

QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 18 2009, 10:11 PM)
You are strong... So far my 1RM is 80kg. Tried the other day after my back workout and a few sets of barbell bench presses. Gonna try afresh next day.

How much do you dumbbell press darkie? I think I saw ur vid before and there was a heck load of plates. Like Ronnie Coleman. XD.
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That was my third set. =P
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post Apr 20 2009, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 19 2009, 07:49 PM)
What is the difference between rotating the dumbells while going down and not doing it?
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It screws up your rotator cuff and it's stupid. Can you imagine rotating 100lb dumbells? =P I see people doing it in the gym and I try my best not to laugh. Don't do it bro. No diff.
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QUOTE(braindead_fr3ak @ Apr 22 2009, 01:12 PM)
hmm..actually i dont to ATG... somhow in between ATG and half squats i think.... my but is on the same plane as my quads which are parrelel...  ..even 50 kgs this way...dem man...not easy....

if i do it on the safety bar then i would dare do more.......... yea.... need lots of work on my damn calves...aargh..
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You don't have to go ATG. But doesn't mean you do half assed quarter rep squats either. =)

QUOTE(King83 @ Apr 22 2009, 01:48 PM)
As long as you're going below parallel, iz all gud
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Well said.
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post Apr 24 2009, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Apr 24 2009, 04:30 PM)
Will the body give you signal when your training is going to be unproductive/counterproductive ? When you are training that is ...

I've been pushing myself too far to continue lifting even if my body doesn't allow me ... When body runs out of energy, should we stop lifting completely or just reduce the poundage so that you can continue lifting ?
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Listen to your body. Always. If you feel like you're hauling ass to the gym ALL the time, it's time to take a session off, or maybe even a whole week off.

But if it's just a once in a while thing, modify, adapt, go lighter weight, higher reps, etc. As long as you've given it your best, it's more than enough.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 27 2009, 01:10 PM)
Guise,

Just wondering, what is the best muscle workout combination?

I always do chest and tricep, and I think it is effective because whenever I do chest, my tricep also koyak. But some guise commented that, I should do chest and bicep. What do you guise think? Does it matter? My workout program I took from bb.com and I think it is effective. But I already breakdown, the back, bicep and forearm. Back today, then bicep and forearm next day.

I think this is also important, whether you can grow bigger or not.
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I'm following Bob Cicherillo's split.

Monday Chest
Tuesday Back
Wedneday Legs
Thursday Shoudlers
Friday Arms
Sat and Sun rest
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post Apr 28 2009, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 27 2009, 10:05 PM)
haha... zeist... ego doesnt pays off most of the time.
u will suffer instead. =.=
body building is all bout feel, not bout how much u lift.
u want to lift heavy, then powerlifting suits u more. =.=
hehe...

sometimes me myself want to do some heavy load after seeing some arrogant idiot doing stupid form with heavy weights. but i kept telling myself, no point being ego... later injured, sendiri susah... =.=
haha...
got to learn to leave my ego at home when i get to the gym... =.=
hehe...
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Apr 27 2009, 02:21 PM)
Wouldn't it be better if shoulders day on Wednesday ? When I did shoulders I feel the soreness in my arm too ... afraid that it will affect my arm day ... I'll feel the pain in my forearm no matter how hard I try to maintain the form when I do lateral raise. The next day when I'm doing hammer curls they kill my arms  doh.gif
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No. Think about it. When you do back, your rear delts also get hit indirectly from doing rows. They'll still be fatigued on Wed.

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post May 1 2009, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 30 2009, 10:41 PM)
Today I tried 50lbs dumb bell bench press fun, after 5rep, my left hand terus fall, damn dangerous. Got spotter, else I can't even lift the dumb bells up. Guess I'll just play until max 50lbs for now. 60lbs not so soon.

40lbs, 45lbs and 50lbs. biggrin.gif

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Added on April 30, 2009, 10:45 pm

Some exercises 10kg also koyak.

Like side lateral raise, if I use 15lbs, I also struggle a bit. Better to pick the exercises that best suit you. Don't main follow only (monkey see, monkey do). Follow according to your level.
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You're totally going about it the wrong way. Dumbell work is pointless if you're doing just 5-8 reps. Observe professional bodybuilders, they never go below 10 reps unless it's for entertainment purposes when shooting a training film. Leave your ego at the gym door outside. I've been observing your posts. You want to be as big and strong as possible but you're rushing it. Totally rushing it and you're going to screw it up if you don't caution yourself. Plus you could be misleading newer members with your overzealous approach to training. Having the motivation and drive is good, but do temper it with some caution and wisdom.

15lbs dumbell laterals? If i was there i'd make you struggle with 10lbs and you'd be squealing for mercy. I was doing 30-35lbs before I met Terry, he made me reduce the weight by half, taught me proper form and made it seem like it was double the weight. Terry guarantees more than 80% of trainees are doing lateral raises the wrong way and after observing at my local gym, I definitely agree with him.

Curb the ego before you get injured mate. You're not proving anything. Strength will come, dumbell progression takes a lot of time.

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post May 2 2009, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(zeist @ May 1 2009, 11:13 PM)
Ok guise(s). Actually I tarak show my ego in the gym. For the past 6 weeks, I'm doing 25lbs and 30lbs dumb bell bench press, so I think it is time for me to increase some weight. From 30lbs to 50lbs in just 2 weeks may be too much, but I think is just nice for me. Don't worry guise(s), I won't go more than 50lbs for the next 2 - 3 months. Because when I do 40lbs to 50lbs, I can feel the pain around my wrist area. So I don't want to take the risk if I do more than 50lbs when I can't.

Leg press I just started doing 280kg last week and this week I do 250kg max, can't feel the koyak orgasm much. So I will be doing max 300kg for now. I know my legs can take it, nothing to do with me ego. Also will not go more than 300kg for the next 2 - 3 months.

Arabian guy very friendly and willing to teach. He iz a nais guy, really. Unlike those posers. If you guise wanna meet him, let me know. I still haz 3 FREE GUEST PASS. He might be leaving back to UK anytime, I don't know. He workout alone here, no gym buddy. But nobody dare to fcuk around with him.

I will post my full workouts with weight effort soon, to let you guise to look see look see me effort. Please comment.

I need to change to FF Passport Membership soon. Working in KL nao, probably will be at Menara Maxis or Menara MBF. Menara Axis maybe too.

Nite guise(s) and don't rape each other, will post it when I'm free. Tomorrow onwards I will be posting lesser.
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Stop acting like a woman. Everyone here is trying to caution you in a nice way against going way ahead of yourself. Unfortunately, you didn't seem to get it. The first step is acceptance, and you still don't accept that you were getting way ahead of yourself and that would've made you liable to injury.

I'm just a little more direct than the others because I don't want to see over enthusiastic young trainees like you get injured and end their lifting career prematurely. That means I care. What? You expect me to tell you in a nice namby pamby way? Ain't my style kid.

Don't like it? Deal with it.


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QUOTE(John91 @ May 2 2009, 12:09 AM)
If you feel pain at your wrist area between 40-50lbs, why are you still continuing? Cuz obviously thats not the objective of presses.  You can't make such a drastic change in weight, its the same example as your deadlift, if your lower back can take 150kg, doesn't mean your quads, or grip can. If your pecs can take the weight of 50lbs, doesn't mean your wrists or triceps can. shakehead.gif
I started out pressing 22lbs about a year ago when I first started, now I'm only pressing 45lbs. 10 x 3sets incline, 10 x 3 sets flat.

Btw you can do 280kg leg presses but not 70kg squats? Very weird indeed. Maybe you could do more squats?

Not trying to shoot you down bro, just giving friendly advice, same goes from all the other forumers.

Take it slow.Er.
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Exactly. Everyone tries to show how strong they are when it's laughable to see their form. Volume is the key word here when it comes to dumbell work. Here's the mistake a lot of trainees make. Let's say they can do 40lbs x 10 for 4 sets. They try a 45 pounder next week for a set and get in 8 reps but they can't do 2-3 more sets with the 45's, that's not progression, that's deluding themselves. General rule, if one can hit at least 3 sets with the same weight and more than 10 reps, it's safe to attempt an extra 5 pounds on the dumbell for pressing movements.

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ May 2 2009, 04:50 PM)
I'm...improving slowly =P.

Finally going back into the TPM gym =P
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QUOTE(uhuk-uhuk @ May 2 2009, 04:31 PM)
Intensity should be prioritized, not the weight of the bar you're lifting. I would rather be a dude with 15" arms curling 15lbs than a dude with 10" arms curling 30lbs.
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True. When someone who wants to get big tells me he's lifting heavy, I don't ask him how much can he lift. I ask him how many times can he lift that particular weight.

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QUOTE(pedro @ May 2 2009, 06:56 PM)
Nice traps you got there man.

Lost some weight and am now down to 93kgs,i actually thought i would look better but my i lost some fat on the chest and now it kinda sticks out,really need to start doing decline presses.
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Thanks bro. Wasn't flexing in that pic, just relaxed. Here're the traps when flexed:-

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Anyway decline work isn't really necessary for most people but it depends. You've been doing incline work all this while or?
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 2 2009, 09:45 PM)
Been wondering, what're you guys' opinions on barbell rows and DB rows?
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Barbell rows according to Terry, bread and butter of all back exercises but only if done correctly. Most people will do them like they're executing power shrugs but you've got the form down pat, prepare to grow.

QUOTE(pedro @ May 2 2009, 11:25 PM)
Thats the best part bro,they look great relaxed and wicked when flexed.

I've been a lot of incline presses using smith and dumbells,the bottom part looks kind of shapeless,decline will concentrate on that part right?
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I think it's the deadlifts which contributed. I don't do much direct work for traps. But then I also only deadlift once every 2-3 months yet I'm able to add weight to the bar everytime. Maybe my traps are one of my gifted parts. If i could get my biceps to grow like them I'd be really happy but God didn't see fit to pamper us with everything I guess, But I'll be damned if I get too overconfident and start trying to progress too much. I'm trying to hit back my old max of 510lbs but I'm taking my time.

Yeah, dips and decline bench will focus on that part.
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QUOTE(mofonyx @ May 3 2009, 05:04 AM)
Don't the fibers all run in the same direction?
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I know what you're trying to say, that in a nutshell it's one big slab of muscle and you can't target just once part of the muscle but I'll tell you it isn't so. EMG studies have already proven so with, for examples different types of grips on barbell curls targeting either more on the inner or outer head, etc. And for this case anatomically, the chest has a sternal part and a clavicular part so different exercises would be necessary.

If we just stuck the the theory that there is no such thing as targeting a specific part of a muscle, then bodybuilders would have complete physiques by just doing endless sets of the 3 basics, which isn't so.

QUOTE(silver_hand81 @ May 3 2009, 11:36 AM)
"Let's say they can do 40lbs x 10 for 4 sets. They try a 45 pounder next week for a set and get in 8 reps but they can't do 2-3 more sets with the 45's, that's not progression, that's deluding themselves."

<--- Ouch! Ter-rasa T.T ... but i guess i learn something new here. Thanks for sharing.

But that being said... how long should we stay in the 40lbs then? WHEN can we go to 45lbs? smile.gif
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No prob. Like i said you'll know when you're ready for the 45's when you can do all 3 sets of 40's all at least 10 reps or more. It's not set in stone but it's a general guideline. People try to progress way too fast with dumbells and I'll tell you guys, never screw with these exercises. In some ways they're more dangerous than squats if you don't have a healthy respect for what can go wrong with stabilization issues. I'm sure you can imagine the multitude of injuries where dumbells are concerned. It can possibly be fatal if very heavy poundages are concerned.
*100lb dumbell landing on our faces* Go figure.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 3 2009, 01:08 PM)
So, uhh, which d'you side more to? DBs or barbells?
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As for me, I go purely dumbells most of the time. I'd say mix it up, but focus more on dumbells if your goal is bodybuilding.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 4 2009, 08:17 PM)
I'd go for once a week, with super high intesity. Good example being legs.  tongue.gif
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x 2 cos most of the large bodyparts get hit indirectly more than once a week anyway.

I just had a chest session with thebassist. I'm sure he had fun. Lol.
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QUOTE(bata @ May 7 2009, 03:21 PM)
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