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darklight79
post Mar 11 2009, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Mar 11 2009, 04:45 PM)

As for your workout. IMO it's better to do cardio before weight training. But you will perform poor when lifting because tired from the cardio. If can, do cardio not on lifting day or on weekends.
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Not so. One should try not to perform cardio even as a warm up prior to weight training because it depletes ATP. IF you want to warm up, the principle of specificity applies. Let's say chest workout, the first exercise is the bench press, warm up with the bench press, light weight. Same applies to squats, back, etc.
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post Mar 11 2009, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(rascalz @ Mar 11 2009, 08:49 PM)
help help
wat is atp or imo thingey
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It's gonna take some time to explain but you'll probably forget about it. So let's just say ATP are like mana points to spend on your workouts. So save them for important work.
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post Mar 15 2009, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Mar 15 2009, 04:27 PM)
i skip breakfast cz needa wake up early prepare, lik class at 8, wake 7 take bath n prepare, 7.30 go out... if need do breakfast den need wake 6++  sweat.gif ok, i noe i am lazy =X
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Then don't bother working out. My breakfast takes 5 minutes to prepare. Idiot.
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post Mar 16 2009, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Mar 15 2009, 10:27 PM)
kk, my bad...

not finding trouble here...

jo u should pm me earlier... sweat.gif

i'l stick wif ur way  smile.gif
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I'm just kidding. =P It's so easy man. Add oats into a shaker with cold milk, mix it up and drink it down. I add in whey though.
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post Apr 10 2009, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Apr 10 2009, 10:19 AM)
Hi,

I need help again to get into position for dumbbells benchpress.

I am having a hard time getting into the position to do dumbbells benchpress for 70lbs and above by myself. Usually, I get help for that, doing the actual benchpress isn't difficult but getting into the position is for me.

Will appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance.
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First off, how many reps can you do with 70lbs? In my experience, a lot of young trainees try to progress too fast in dumbell pressing work. I have a theory, if you cannot do more than 10 reps for 2 sets with a particular weight, don't bother trying. If your technique in trying to kick them up is correct but you're still not strong enough to stabilize them and grind out the number of optimal reps, reduce and work your way up.
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post Apr 10 2009, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 10 2009, 12:15 PM)
i guess the weight is a little too much for u to get it up on urself.
no point pushing urself that hard without a spotter.
might get urself injured... *accidents do happen*

from ur blog, i saw ur bench press with barbell is only 70kg for 6 reps rite?
why r u trying 32kg dumbbell per arm then? i think its a little too much for u.

i can do 80kg barbell bench press for around 4-6 reps.
even so... i am just doing 20kg dumbbell benchpress on my own.
its safer that way... at least i know i can manage it on my own.

if u cant swing the dumbbell up urself, then get a spotter. =.=
if no spotter, reduce weight. haha...
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Exactly. Dumbell work is meant to be high reps, at least 10 - 12 reps. It took me a long time to work up to pressing the 110's but i made sure than i could press at least the 100 pounders for 2 sets of more than 10 reps minimum. If lets say his goals are more strength oriented, dumbells are definitely not the right tools for progression.

QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 10 2009, 12:23 PM)
Oh yah, I iz don't know why at this FF, nobody perform decline bench press.

Not even the regulars. Pppfftt!

I've already asked around, everybody goes "Oh, yea man".
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Incline and flat presses have more priority than declines. They're not really needed.
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QUOTE(kianweic @ Apr 10 2009, 01:46 PM)
I used to be doing 4x10, change to 6x6 lately, will change to a different routine again by end of this month.

I figured if I can do flat barbell benchpress @ 80kg-85kg for 6-8 reps, I should be able to do 70lbs per dumbbells just fine.

It's not the exercise per se, it's the getting into position part that's difficult for me. Anyway, I will try the kick method that I used for dumbbells shoulder presses as advised the last time.
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There's no such logic there. Absolutely wrong. There is no direct skill transfer from barbell strength to dumbell strength. Stabilization muscles are a major factor in the equation. 80kg is roughly equivalent to 175lbs. Even though 70lbs x 2 = 140lbs is lighter than the bench press weight, it still doesn't mean you can lift it for the same number of reps. It just doesn't work that way.
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post Apr 10 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Apr 10 2009, 02:09 PM)
80-85kg means 40kg-42.5kg per arm.

However 70lbs is equivalent to 31.81kg, so there is a deficit weight of 8.2kg to 10kg per arm compared to the barbell.

I'll experiement a little when I get a spotter the next time just to be safe.

Cheers
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You didn't read my post properly. I am aware you're attempting to lift a lighter load of the 2 dumbells combined compared to your barbell bench poundage. I'm trying to elucidate that you simply can't estimate strength that way.
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post Apr 10 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 10 2009, 02:36 PM)
When you hold a barbell, it's a closed system (well, semi closed). You could just squeeze the pecs or the lats to stabilise it --> so you mainly stabilise it in 1 plane. You are stabilising 1 weight with 2 points.

Dumbbells are so different. Each side is a single balancing system. each is an open system. You stabilise 1 weight with 1 point. You're stabilising the weight in 2 planes of dimension (2D).

It's hard (at least for me). I can only DB BP 25% of my barbell bench. =P
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Skill and strength transfer is different individually based on a person's neural efficiency, how many motor pathways they can recruit, etc. Which is why there'll never be a fixed formula for bb/db comparison.

That's what i've been trying to drill into beginners' heads. Not that most listen. Bodybuilding = about feel, not about fixed formulas and routines. I'd give my left nut if there is any IFBB Pro doing 5 x 5 or 6 x 6 or calculating his next 1RM max, etc.

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post Apr 10 2009, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 10 2009, 04:51 PM)
Alamak, kena taruh. X^D
I couldn't grasp this feel and instintive thingamagick very clearly yet.
I mean, there has got to be certain guidelines that are used in instinctive training. I went through your current journal to figure out how you do your HVT and I'm still rclxub.gif.

For example: Picasso. He certainly didn't start drawing Cubism the first time he started drawing. He would have learned conventional methods and basic rules of painting, before he became pro and broke the rules.
So in bodybuilding, how do I get from noob-state to instinctive training like you do?
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Hmmm, 5x5... sound like me. unsure.gif
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These things i preach are not from myself. They're from Terry Gallyot, ex-Mr Asia whom i had the honour of meeting and training under him a few sessions. Hola Bola, another mentor of mine from the States taught me the same thing. They laughed when i told them about 5 x 5, 6 x 6, etc. Terry's famous words that're always drilled into my head. Bodybuilding will ALWAYS be about feel. Not what is expected to be lifted in the next session on a piece of paper. It's that simple. =)

I always say, let a person's physique speak for himself. If you want mass, who're you going to listen to? The guys who talk smack here about how much research they've done and talking like they know it all but have no physiques to even speak about or the ones who actually post their videos and have pics of themselves? This mentality is not just common in LYN, but also in BB.COM. We'll experience people who talk shit everywhere but at the end of the day, it's up to us who to decide to listen to no?

QUOTE(firenos90 @ Apr 10 2009, 04:57 PM)
Hello people..Ive recently joined a gym around 3 months ago and I plan on taking this brand called ON and it says on the label gold standard 100% whey. So I was wondering is there any side effects taking protein? Thanks.
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Yes, it makes your penis shrink.









Sigh.... obviously not. That's one of the best protein brands out there. Go for it,
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post Apr 10 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2009, 09:27 PM)
I don't have to balls to go heavy with my squats and deadlifts. Reason being the gym I go to isn't very complete, so no squat rack. I'm currently lifting the barbell for squats off the benchpress 'hook'. Hard enough to get it off and then move away from the bench to get into position, let alone add more weight. And I'm not going much heavier for deadlifts because I'm afraid of forsaking form to lift heavier, resulting in me injuring my back. shakehead.gif
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There's always Smith machine squats.

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 10 2009, 10:43 PM)
Err... cool bro.
I'm not trying to be an ass or a bigoted fool. I was just being the devil's advocate by using the Picasso example. sweat.gif

But I really want to know how do I get from noob to instinctive training?
I certainly understand the the concept and the advantages of instinctive training. And I want to start doing it. But, err... how do I get about it? Or rather, how did you first started doing it?
It's simple, but that doesn't make it easy to jump into with no knowledge. =)
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??? Are you insane?

I'm not flaming you. Where the hell did you get that idea? You're one of the ok people in my book.
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post Apr 11 2009, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 10 2009, 11:17 PM)
Darklight...

Errr, well yeah. I'm mentally nuts sometimes. =P
And it's easy to mis-interpret something in text, without tones and emotions of real speech mah. So, I thought I should be a little more cautious.

Anyway, haven't answered my questions yet leh... Or should I go kacau you in your journal instead? Heheheh!
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Same here. I had to use the bench press.
I love free weights squats too much... maybe a little too much for my own good.
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Oh yeah. The questions. Well listen, I'm like seriously exhausted now. Lol. I'll get back to you tomorrow or something.

QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2009, 11:31 PM)
No Smith machine either. Pretty sad, really.
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Ok, that sucks. As bata said, for now the leg press is your best bed. Try to change gyms.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 12 2009, 09:58 PM)
humm... just came back from MPH, saw an article about trianing double session ( split session into morning and evening) and it can promote muscle growth and fat loss as the reason begin is that it reduce the glycogen store. For the muscle growth part they did mention about about the lactic acid accumulation which resuld in GH exertion. How true is this ??
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 12 2009, 10:33 PM)
yes both are for weight and working on same muscle part.

e.g. morning - bench press

evening - db bench press
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Ridiculous. Even pro bodybuilders with their above average recovery and chemically assisted states don't do this. Arnold used to but he didn't recommend it to natural average trainees. You can get away with this if you're only training Olympic lifts and exclusively that because the negative phase is not emphasized. What's wrong with some of you? You're all thinking people with brains. Just because an article is from a book/bb.com/t-nation doesn't have to mean it's correct.

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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 13 2009, 10:48 PM)
hehe i m just curious tongue.gif.
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Yeah, but it ain't optimal bro. You'd be losing muscle.

QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 13 2009, 11:02 PM)
yes u need
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Haha, I just met JonYeap a few hours ago.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 14 2009, 12:04 PM)
haha... chris, u r almost double of me.
u r huge! =.= and u said u lost 5kg... gosh...
hahaha...
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You're quite decent sized yourself. See how, once i get back into the swing of things we can have a few sessions together.
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QUOTE(bagata @ Apr 15 2009, 12:42 PM)
to make it easy;

whey = a type of protein

weight gain powder = protein + carbs

u can jz add some carbs source (like glucoline) to ur whey to get the same effect as weight gain powder
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NOT GLucolin mate. Oats, cereal, etc.
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Apr 16 2009, 10:24 AM)
how long should i rest particular group muscle before start doing it again?
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Also depends on how much you've hammered that particular bodypart. In a traditional HVT routine, we'd give it one whole week because if you give chest, shoulders and arms each a separate day, you're also hitting some pushing muscles thrice.

Another example, biceps and back on separate days, you're also hitting biceps twice. I would say 5-7 days to optimally recover, so another factor is the volume of training, then as Jon Yeap said, nutrition and rest.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 16 2009, 02:25 PM)
for me, its a little simpler...
if i feel i can do it, i do it...
learn to listen to ur body.
if u feel it still needs rest, then do not work that part
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Yes, listen by feel. That's what bodybuilding is about.
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QUOTE(diablokun @ Apr 16 2009, 03:51 PM)
this does mean JonYeap should be posting his progress pictures edi aite ?? been a while now...no more excuses JonYeap... brows.gif
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QUOTE(braindead_fr3ak @ Apr 16 2009, 04:38 PM)
aih jonyeap..u always talk so much shit..ahhahah...
talk talk only..post up pic la....
pic will say a thousand words.. smile.gif

hahaah.. no offense bro..just poking...

today i lifted a lot... my palm hurt like hell...i think i rubbed the callus thin already..shit.... become blister... aih...time to invest in a good pair of gloves....
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Having met Jon Yeap just a few days ago, I can personally vouch for him. I've seen some people's progress pics, and I've done a mental comparison to Jon Yeap's physique as seen in person and I'll tell y'all something.

He's bigger than quite a lot of people in the H & F forum. His size is apparent even in a normal non body fitting T shirt. If he's not comfortable posting his progress pics, don't push him. =P What I've seen is enough and I'm no small fry either. Take my word for it.

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 16 2009, 09:44 PM)
=.=
paiseh...
thanks thanks...
i am actually pushing a lot in my training.
going gym 5-7 times a week and 2 times muay thai training. =.=
haha... my intensity? hmm... i shall not mention.
haha... my diet? zero! i whack wat i want for now... will start dieting starting june.

i like wat i see in the miror for now compared to b4.
coz i am fat as hell b4... =.=
being called fat and short dunno how many times de...
zzzz...
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Lol, I'm doing arms tomorrow. I need to gain back those few kg's i lost.

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