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post Feb 28 2009, 06:49 PM, updated 16y ago

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LCD Monitor Thread v6.00 (FYI: LCD MONITOR ≠LCD TV)


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post Feb 28 2009, 06:50 PM

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Use this image to test your LCD's color and to detect gradient banding. smile.gif
**Full credit and special thanks to our moderator lex rclxms.gif


Link to v5.00 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/832727
Link to v4.00 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/724890
Link to v3.10 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/374456

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post Feb 28 2009, 10:32 PM

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Keep up the good work boys and girls rclxms.gif

Let us poison CRTs owners to get LCDs since the price is so low now. rclxm9.gif


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post Mar 2 2009, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Mar 2 2009, 08:42 PM)
Thanks for the reply. Just wondering between Dell S2409W and Samsung P244W, which 1 is better ? smile.gif

And also Acer H233HQ, Acer X233H. This 4 LCD, which is the better 1 ? smile.gif
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If you're working as a photo editor/graphics designer, I will suggest you not to get any LCD right now with your budget. You need at least a 8bit PVA or IPS panel for color accuracy. If photo editing is nothing major and you do not have to be too particular about color accuracy, DELL S2409W gets my vote.
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post Mar 2 2009, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Invince_Z @ Mar 2 2009, 02:04 PM)
hi, wanna ask 1 question. my lcd is not crystalbrite so i'm thinking of tinting it with clear tint. what happen if we tint our lcd screen? will the color produced looks differently from what it should be?
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You can't tint your LCD dude. Why on earth do you want to tint your LCD? Tinting a LCD won't make your matte screen becomes glossy screen.
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post Mar 2 2009, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Mar 2 2009, 09:25 PM)
I'm not a photo editor nor graphics designer but I need a good LCD to edit photos taken by me.
Dell is better than all the 3 Acer models ? Please enlighten smile.gif
Sorry. Typo. Any recommendation ?
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DELL in terms of build quality and better warranty. I would definitely avoid Acer, they are not good in anything. doh.gif

I believe the most popular LCD brand here is either DELL or Samsung.
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post Mar 3 2009, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Mar 3 2009, 06:08 PM)
Guys, I had made up my mind to get Samsung 2333SW. But now my concern is I will be connecting my laptop to this LCD. So any idea whether my graphic card can support it ?

Am using Intel Media Accelerator X3100.
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No problem with your graphics card
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post Mar 3 2009, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Mar 3 2009, 09:43 PM)
Can display full resolution ?
The shop fellow told me can't sweat.gif doh.gif
Will post up review if I really buy it biggrin.gif
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Obviously the shop fellow is retarded or else he wouldn't be the shop fellow now, would he?

X3100 has a maximum resolution of 2048x1536.

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post Mar 3 2009, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(kingcom @ Mar 3 2009, 10:00 PM)
Hi all! Have u guys checked out the new Viewsonic VX2433? It's a bombshell!!! It's like, really good for its price... Even beat the Dell S2409 flat... laugh.gif
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LMAO! That's because you're selling it?
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post Mar 4 2009, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(justone @ Mar 4 2009, 03:49 AM)
photo editing shud go for ips panels...
dell is selling e-ips which is the cheapest ips panel now
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It is no longer available at DELL's website.
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post Mar 4 2009, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(valent @ Mar 4 2009, 04:06 PM)
Dell s2409w promotion RM699 will end on 05/03/2009

then the price will be going up? or the product will be discountinued?
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Won't discontinue so fast la, they just launch it not long ago.
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post Mar 4 2009, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(valent @ Mar 4 2009, 06:28 PM)
Well, im using Dell 2405FPW VA panel.

thinking of getting this Dell s2409w as 2nd lcd but ppl kept on saying TN panels colors are not ideal for gfx/video editing

Anyone got comparison screenshot? or dell 2408wfp and dell s2409w comparison shot?
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TN panel VS IPS panel (From v5.00)

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post Mar 4 2009, 10:09 PM

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post Mar 4 2009, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(kingcom @ Mar 4 2009, 10:31 PM)
Mind you, I'm listing true facts here. And no, I'm not those "lowyat ah beng". I can also say that I got a Dell, and I got 50 dead pixels on it bro, you got a lousy Viewsonic? Well, I feel very, very sorry for you. laugh.gif Check my successful tradelist, and look at the number of Viewsonics I've sold.

PM the fellas who bought it, and they'll tell you that Viewsonic rawks. thumbup.gif Anyway, the Viewsonics all come with a 3-Year warranty, and comparatively it's cheaper too. Furthermore, whoever buys from me get FREE HDMI cables - the good quality ones of course.

P.S. I didn't know I was rude and screamy.
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No offence bro but let me share with you what I think.

DELL S2409W and Viewsonic VX2433wm will look the same because both has same spec. Both TN panel, both has a typical contrast ratio of 1000:1 (forget about dynamic contrast ratio), brightness of 300 cd/m2, viewing angle are the same & response time of Viewsonic is slightly lower. Of course Viewsonic comes with integrated speakers as well.

IMHO contrast ratio is the most important when selecting any LCD. You can forget about response time because there aren't any standard in measuring it. Manufacture can say 1ms or 0ms and there's no way we can measure it accurately. Even my old 16ms S-IPS panel 2007WFP is ghosting free, even with fast paced game.

So, the Viewsonic costs RM888 from you. Dell costs RM585 from forum sellers. A difference of RM300. Does that extra RM300 justify for the extra integrated speakers? Warranty wise, DELL offers 3 yrs 1 to 1 doorstep swap. Let's say today my Dell LCD screwed up, I gave Dell RMA hotline a call, the next working day they send me a replacement to my doorstep, 1 to 1 swap. Does Viewsonic 3 yrs warranty covers doorstep warranty as well? I don't think so. If you bring it back to RMA, I'm pretty sure you have to wait as well.

And from my personal experience, S2409W has less backlight bleed compared to VX2433wm. So when you say Viewsonic is wayyyyyyyyy better than Dell, do you mean the integrated speakers? And when you say the spec of Dell doesn't justify with the cheap price Dell offered, may I know which spec are you referring to? Dynamic contrast ratio? I think most of us know that's not something you look at when purchasing LCD, it's the typical contrast ratio that matters.

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post Mar 4 2009, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(minghao @ Mar 4 2009, 11:16 PM)
Mine only comes with 1 yr waranty and but so far works fine.Viewsonic VX2235WM,proud user here. smile.gif To be fair every products wold have their own defects units,depends on luck lor.Only we may say the % of defects only,even samsung panels also got such problems.


Added on March 4, 2009, 11:18 pmYou have to bear in mind that your comparison must be equivalent,for instance,both brands are @ forumer price?Or one of them is retail and another is forumer's price?It's not accurate if you compare so,let's talk about retail price.
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My comparison is rigid. Both are lowyat.net garage sales prices. Unless you can find Viewsonic's retail price, then we shall compare RM699 retail price of DELL vs RM??? retail price of Viewsonic.

Even if you want to compare retail price of DELL RM699 with lowyat.net's price of RM888, no problem. DELL is still cheaper by RM189. With that, you get a good 2.1 speaker, how's that?
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post Mar 4 2009, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(valent @ Mar 4 2009, 11:20 PM)
Damn, those e-IPS panel just rapes TN apart lol..

your asus has got backlightbleed, maybe s2409w doesn't have em that bad..

anyway thanks!

dammit e-IPS panel damn nice.. too bad msia dell doesnt carry em.

btw, where did you get your DELL 2209WA ?
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Dude, I get it from DELL's website last month. It was there but no idea why they took it down.
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QUOTE(xcen @ Mar 4 2009, 11:46 PM)
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/c...en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

Here got 20" 16:9 version.

AFAIK, play HD content on 16:9 will not have black bars, 16:10 will have black bars, but can be used to play subtitles no?

And I saw the Dell Monitor say has USB 2.0 ports, what is it for?
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Black bars or no black bars depends on your movie ratio. If you movie's aspect ratio is anything above 1.78:1, both 16:9 and 16:10 will have black bars. Just that with 16:9 the black bars will be thinner. Most movies are in 1.85:1 and 2.39:1 ratio.
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post Mar 4 2009, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(xcen @ Mar 4 2009, 11:54 PM)
Hmm I see. I think Dell E2009W is a better choice with 16:10 ratio even though I use it to watch movies. The black bars could be used as space for subtitles. Plus, I've seen Acer X203H before, 16:9 a bit too rectangle lol.

I see that Dell website selling at really great price. Is there any catch or trap? Like no DVI cable? Need pay extra?

Is there anywhere else that sells this model at a lower price? Can't find one in LYN.
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All Dell LCDs comes with DVI cable. No worries.
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post Mar 5 2009, 12:56 PM

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When both are TN panel, I don't think there will be much difference. Remember to reset the color profile to factory default before comparing. The shop might set it to dynamic contrast which is insanely bright and the color gamut is usually too high.
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post Mar 5 2009, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Mar 5 2009, 04:28 PM)
Just a noob question from newbie.

I will be buying LCD to connect to my laptop. As I know, I can spli the screen right ? Because I tested it with project so it should work the same when I connect it to LCD right ? Meaning I want it maybe 1 screen to have my office working, another for entertainment purpose.
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Yup you can either expand or duplicate your windows.

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