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mtsen
post Feb 22 2009, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 21 2009, 12:15 PM)
I need CI for protection.

I read from KC Lau, Money Matter that we need CI protection of 3 x our annual income. Therefore I am under protected (my existing CI policy which was bought earlier based on my earlier income level and is currently inadequate). Adding this RM 50K will bring it up to an adequate level.

I am healthy at the moment, but getting sick during older age is a guarantee.

And since we are on this topic, what would be considered a adequate protection for Hospitalization & Medical?

Xuzen


Added on February 21, 2009, 12:17 pm
My Life Policy is adequate.

I am now looking to up my CI and Med card Protection. As one progress in life, ones' needs and protection increases. Yes, I want to keep my CI & Med card policy separate, it is cheaper this way isn't it?

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why not try asking your employer to top up that 50k for you for free ? smile.gif



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QUOTE(mtsen @ Feb 22 2009, 02:36 AM)
why not try asking your employer to top up that 50k for you for free ? smile.gif
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I am self employed.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 19 2009, 01:28 PM)
What's your income?
What's your budget for Insurance? RM 150 - 175K coverage
How old? (mid 30's and non-smoker)
Female/Male? (Male)
Occupation? (Office worker)
Do you have any dependent? How many? How old? Are they working or not? (One child 2 y/o, one more coming soon)
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Dear Xuzen,

I have a quote for you. Based on age 30 male non-smoker.

Investment Linked Policy - The cheapest given your budget.
Death Benefit - RM 100K
Total Permanent Disability - RM 100K
36 Critical Illness - RM 200K
important note: If diagnose with 36 Critical Illness, this account will pay RM 200K. Then later if Death occurs, the account will pay another RM 100K. So its RM 300K in total.

The premium, RM 150/mth - RM 1800/yr. This is no scam.

Call or contact me at 016 335 0044.
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post Feb 23 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ Feb 23 2009, 06:13 PM)
Dear Xuzen,

I have a quote for you. Based on age 30 male non-smoker.

Investment Linked Policy - The cheapest given your budget.
Death Benefit - RM 100K
Total Permanent Disability - RM 100K
36 Critical Illness - RM 200K
important note: If diagnose with 36 Critical Illness, this account will pay RM 200K. Then later if Death occurs, the account will pay another RM 100K. So its RM 300K in total.

The premium, RM 150/mth - RM 1800/yr. This is no scam.

Call or contact me at 016 335 0044.
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I believe he is looking for a stand alone plan.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 19 2009, 11:50 AM)
Hello teachers,

I am in the market to look for a critical illness insurance plan. To be precise... basic plan,  not those tied up with investment link etc.
The problems is most people will quote many extra. But can't really blame them for just trying to earn a living...

QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 20 2009, 12:44 PM)
I got a quite of RM 536.00 p.a. for SA 50K (AIA)

I asked for a basic (no rider and not investment linked) critical illness coverage and this is what the agent quoted me.

Is this a fair market rate?

Xuzen
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In 2004 I took AIA healthguard 55 for RM790 per annum, RM100,000 coverage, I was 30 then. Hope this helps your comparison.

This post has been edited by vergas: Feb 23 2009, 09:45 PM
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TS

Rm500++ for a 50K CI is quite affordable. I suggest that you should also evaluate the agent that is going to serve you. There is already a few thread complaining about poor agents.
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QUOTE(cuebiz @ Feb 23 2009, 09:55 PM)
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Rm500++ for a 50K CI is quite affordable. I suggest that you should also evaluate the agent that is going to serve you. There is already a few thread complaining about poor agents.
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Hmm but RM50K. After hospitalization, won't left much for you to recover.
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post Feb 26 2009, 09:24 AM

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ts already said its a top up
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Feb 25 2009, 11:49 PM)
Hmm but RM50K. After hospitalization, won't left much for you to recover.
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true also la
Crictical Illness according rules of thumb
one shall have at least 4 years their annual income
which means if you are earning 30K per annum - you will need RM120,000 CI

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post Feb 28 2009, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 21 2009, 12:15 PM)
QUOTE(raylimfs @ Feb 21 2009, 06:00 AM)

xuzen... mind if I'm asking...why you need only CI policy?.. you knew you going to get one?.. or you already have?.. sorry for asking this...  and about  SUMINSURED=50K from AIA for RM536 it's mean about RM1.46 per day... does this fill your needs if you are really lucky having this 36odds sickness? I mean weird...I dun mean to sabotage any of the agent here, seems that everyone just asking how much you can pay?.. I mean yeah I understand they need to know your ability. But all you need to focus here is your need? You need this money for medical treatment? Or you need this money for your party when you not around? I'm sorry if I say anything that's making you angry, but this is insurance and this is the fact! Focus on your needs.....All the best...
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I need CI for protection.

I read from KC Lau, Money Matter that we need CI protection of 3 x our annual income. Therefore I am under protected (my existing CI policy which was bought earlier based on my earlier income level and is currently inadequate). Adding this RM 50K will bring it up to an adequate level.

I am healthy at the moment, but getting sick during older age is a guarantee.

And since we are on this topic, what would be considered a adequate protection for Hospitalization & Medical?

Xuzen


Added on February 21, 2009, 12:17 pm
My Life Policy is adequate.

I am now looking to up my CI and Med card Protection. As one progress in life, ones' needs and protection increases. Yes, I want to keep my CI & Med card policy separate, it is cheaper this way isn't it?

Xuzen
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Xuzen, I agree with what raylimfs said. What the are odds of you getting the 36 CI? Even if you are dignosed with 36 CI, how long you think the RM50K or RM100K going to last you if you need treatment? Go and ask people, 1 time treatment for cancer may cost above RM30K if dignosed early.

What I noted from your reply above is you are looking for Med Card Protection. Assuming that you dont' have a Med Card, my opinion is that better to get one instead of just CI only. My wife's nephew was hit by a car last week and the had to undergo major operation and after discharged requires therapy and it will cost more that RM40K.

I myself have Prudential Med Card annual limit RM75K and Litimetime RM225K since 2003 at RM200/month and last year upgraded it to lifetime amount of RM300,000 and up to age 75 (from 60)) since I getting old and foresee more health problems sad.gif and now paying about RM340.month. So my point is the ealier you are covered the premium is less and check until what age does the insurance covers you.

My eldest is getting his driving license this year and will be going out more often so I just got him a Med Card from Prudential. His plan is slightly different from mine where it does not insured for take home medicine and got co-insured but his annual amount is same as mine RM75K and Lifetime amount is RM750,000 and monthly premium is only RM125! It also includes RM20K for Accident Out Patient Treatment, RM20K Life and CI.

Suggest you talk to a Prudential agent and compare with others, best if the agent have been doing insurance fulltime for years and highly recommended and not some guy you met that will not provide you service in time of need. And if you do consider Prudential, get the higher Lifetime amount as RM750K vs. RM500K and higher hospital room allowance (what you think it will cost 20 years from now for twin bed room at private hospital) as the premium diff is only about RM20-30/monthly.

Some people may tell you to get Personal Accident and just CI insurance only since it is cheaper but what in the event one is hospitalized because of illness/disease/cancer, can he/she afford to pay the hospital bills at private hospital and not burdening family members after using up all his/her life savings? And I am not even talking about being in ICU or having to go dialysis where the cost is just tremendous.

Lastly, is you are paying taxes, Medical Insurance is tax deductable which is different from the EPF & Life Insurance combined deductable.

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Thumbs up for brother gen-x . . . even some of the agents i know from Prudential dont speak as good as you ^^

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hi there,

this one you mentioned

My eldest is getting his driving license this year and will be going out more often so I just got him a Med Card from Prudential. His plan is slightly different from mine where it does not insured for take home medicine and got co-insured but his annual amount is same as mine RM75K and Lifetime amount is RM750,000 and monthly premium is only RM125! It also includes RM20K for Accident Out Patient Treatment, RM20K Life and CI.

Can I know what plan is this?

Monthly on rm125 ? That's very affordable, interested to get one btw I'm 22 years old, so I guess maybe need to pay more than rm125?
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QUOTE(suzannetan @ Mar 2 2009, 12:47 PM)
hi there,

this one you mentioned

My eldest is getting his driving license this year and will be going out more often so I just got him a Med Card from Prudential. His plan is slightly different from mine where it does not insured for take home medicine and got co-insured but his annual amount is same as mine RM75K and Lifetime amount is RM750,000 and monthly premium is only RM125! It also includes RM20K for Accident Out Patient Treatment, RM20K Life and CI.

Can I know what plan is this?

Monthly on rm125 ? That's very affordable, interested to get one btw I'm 22 years old, so I guess maybe need to pay more than rm125?
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It is Prudential Investlink Link. Actually there was a cheaper plan for about RM110 or RM115 for Annual Limit RM50K, Lifetime Limit 500K and Room RM100 but went with the RM750K Lifetime limit as the diff in monthly premium is only RM20. Yah i think my son's policy is pretty good considering the Lifetime limit is RM750K.

When I talk to my agent, i will ask them for various options, I can tell you for RM150/monthly and below premium, the agent can come out with no less than 5 options. If the agent only give you one or two option, go see another agent.

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Thanks for the reply, so this one should be with Medical Card which covers most of the hospitalization stuffs as usual..

Hmm sounds pretty worth, I understand that ING's medical card+investment link, cost at least RM250 for my age, which is way too pricy for me. This one sounds much better, I don't really bother is there any investment link, just a medical card is good enough for me
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Previously the minimum to enter a ILP plan for Prudential is RM150/month.

Now the company has open up to RM100 a month to covor the market for those with lower income group. Basically everything is similiar, with less rider or lower sum assured.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 19 2009, 12:50 PM)
Hello teachers,

I am in the market to look for a critical illness insurance plan. To be precise... basic plan,  not those tied up with investment link etc.

Can you please advise?

Thank you.

Xuzen.
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Hi, xuzen.

I have a standalone critical illness insurance plan for you. It is called Premier Healthguard 55 from AIA Berhad.

I think it is a good plan because I don't have to pay any more premium from 56 to 70 years old and I am still insured during this period. If you are 35 years old now, you just have to pay premium until you reach 55 years old i.e. you just have to pay 20 years premium. Besides that, you also enjoy renewal bonus of 5 % every year up to 5 policy years. If you buy the plan with sum assured of RM 100,000, after five years, your sum assured will be RM 125,000 (guaranteed), instead of RM 100,000.

Before you make any decision, please feel free to read my blog:

http://lokeaiaberhad.blogspot.com/

After reading my blog, please feel free to leave me a comment or email to help me to improve my blog to help more consumers in dealing with buying the right insurance plan.

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QUOTE(suzannetan @ Mar 2 2009, 04:02 PM)
Thanks for the reply, so this one should be with Medical Card which covers most of the hospitalization stuffs as usual..

Hmm sounds pretty worth, I understand that ING's medical card+investment link, cost at least RM250 for my age, which is way too pricy for me. This one sounds much better, I don't really bother is there any investment link, just a medical card is good enough for me
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A standalone medical card should cost you less than RM100 per month from most insurance company. However, If I am not mistaken, there is no monthly payment mode for standalone plan.

Most agent will bundle with Life, CI or investment so that it cost more and they can get more commission. At the end of the day, having a good servicing agent is better than just looking at the cost alone.
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QUOTE(cuebiz @ Mar 4 2009, 11:44 PM)
A standalone medical card should cost you less than RM100 per month from most insurance company. However, If I am not mistaken, there is no monthly payment mode for standalone plan.

Most agent will bundle with Life, CI or investment so that it cost more and they can get more commission. At the end of the day, having a good servicing agent is better than just looking at the cost alone.
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Yes, cuebiz. You are right. Most agents are like that. However, we must understand that an insurance agent is actually running a business on himself. When we talk about business, it is usually profit-oriented. I don't think there is something wrong for agents to do like that if a consumer has the insurance needs and the agents are doing their works responsibly. Consumers pay premiums to insurance agents and get financial protections from insurance companies. After that, insurance agents get commissions from insurance companies and provide after sales services to their customers. It is actually a win-win situation for all the people involved in the sales.

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Just to update you people:

I bought my CI from my regular agent (AIA): premium RM 537.00 p.a. for SA RM 50K.

I also increased my med card to a life time limit of RM 500K, premium abt RM 800.00 p.a.

Call me kiasu for taking such high coverage, but I know that illness is a definite thing, and I want to be well taken care off during my down-time.

Xuzen.

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