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TSpeeche
post Feb 9 2009, 10:16 PM, updated 13y ago

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have you all heard about using cooking oil as engine oil alternative?

HERE's ONE OF MANY ARTICLE THAT I FOUND AND HEARD.

SO LAZY TO TRANSLATE IT.
LET'S READ IT IN OUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

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Hari ni, kita akan mendengar pengalaman sebenar salah salah seorang pembaca blog ini iaitu Encik Amin dalam menggunakan minyak masak sawit sebagai minyak hitam kereta. Pengalaman ini dihantar sendiri oleh beliau melalui email dan sebagai tanda terima kasih, aku akan menyalinnya kembali untuk dibaca sebagai tatapan umum di hujung minggu ini.

Berikut adalah email yang dihantar:

Salam sejahtera dari saya sahabat baru semua,
Saya dah mula mengguanakan minyak masak kelapa sawit hampir seminggu. saya menggunakan proton wira 1.5 auto.alhamdulillah berkesan. di sini saya huraikan kelebihan dan kelemahan minyak kelapa sawit sebagai minyak enjin.

Kelebihan:
1.enjin jadi smooth gegila
2.kelajuan kereta berbeza bila di atas jalan, tak sedar tekan 100km sejam,kalau idak atas highway tekan 110km sejam,enjin kereta saya mula mengeluarkan bunyi yg agak kuat cam pakai turbo..walhal standard ja.tetapi bila pakai minyak kelapa sawit,enijn jadi sepi.
3.penjimatan minyak yang ketara, saya bergerak hampir 120km, hanya dengan menggunakan minyak petrol sebanyak RM10.tu pon saya guna minyak BHP.

Kelemahan:
1.minyak kelapa sawit hanya 90% di dalam enjin dan tetap kena tambah 10% minyak enjin kereta (beli yg botoi kecik kat ESSO), saya cuba biarkan enjin kereta tidak di matikan selama 1jam 30 minit, mula membuat enjin kereta semput.tetapi setelah di atas jalan ia kembali normal.
2.susah cina kat bengkel nak percaya bila kita pi tukar minyak ni, mula banyak soalan..penat nak menjawab..akakakkekekkaakkek

Itu sahaja saya nak kongsi pengalaman.
Antara kenderaan yang saya dah test :
proton wira auto dan manual
kancil
satria
proton saga
evanza 1.3
datsun lama

Motorsikal:
honda cup 70
ex5
kriss
RXZ

Itu sahaja..
sekian..wassalam

Sebarang persoalan leh email dekat email saya : [email protected]
-amin: alor setar
TSpeeche
post Feb 9 2009, 10:36 PM

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HYE FELLAS.

FOR YOUR INFO..

I'VE EXPERIMENTED MY CAR ALSO.

I USED MY 2nd CAR.

IT'S MY 06 KANCIL EXi850 175,000km of mileage.


i've pour 3 packet of cooking oil (minyak sawit) in my engine.
replace oil filter, petrol filter & spark plugs.
FYI my car already suffer oil leak (oil sump & flywheel oil seal).

after changing the oil.
i can feel instant the difference & effects.
1, smoother engine sound and feel.
2, lighter engine and more free revving rclxms.gif
3, noticable fuel economy
(before TOWN DRIVING RM10=70km / HIGHWAY RM10=90km) (now TOWN DRIVING RM10=90km / HIGHWAY RM10=130km)
4, improved perfomance (increasing of pick-up & top)
5, oil still leaking like before. but can top up with lower cost
(before i use VTEC-LEV 10W30 4L = RM55, now COCONUT COOKING OIL = RM2.5/liter)
6, clutch slip reduced (it's slip because of the leaking flywheel oil seal, so the engine oil spoiled the clutch)

so far..
i've use it for a month.
already passing 1000km mark.
town + highway driving.
KUANTAN - KEMAMAN - KL - KUANTAN without any problem.

temperature level is stable.
idling stable.
crusing stable.
hill climbing improved (GENTING SEMPAH) (3person on full aircond 4th gear @ 80km/h)

the only one problem is SAKIT PINGGANG.

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This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 01:39 AM
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post Feb 10 2009, 12:37 AM

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post Feb 10 2009, 12:56 AM

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wow, great, now we can throw away or Motul, Torco and Q8.
owning a GTR 35 was never cheaper! or more accessible!


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post Feb 10 2009, 02:07 AM

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i'll add pictures later.
i'm in my hometown now.

more updates coming soon.
i'm going to test it for a long haul.
already planning the journey now.
maybe KUANTAN - JB - KL - ALOR SETAR - KB - KUANTAN in one run for durability issue.
but need some budget fisrt (1 test car + 1 backup car follows behind +minyak sakit urat.hehe.) rclxub.gif

p/s : thanks for PM & replies. (FYI just use coconut cooking oil. not vegetable oil or even corn oil ok.)

This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 02:13 AM
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post Feb 10 2009, 02:08 AM

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Cooking oil was used in Honda C70 on topgear b4
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post Feb 10 2009, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 10 2009, 02:08 AM)
Cooking oil was used in Honda C70 on topgear b4
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yup.
this thingy actually has been for a long time.
since i was i school.
people use it in "kapchai" race.

also putting something sounds like "naftalena" (ubat gegat/lipas) in fuel tank to increase octane.
instant HP produced. flex.gif

if you in Negeri 9.
maybe you have hear about this coconut oil.
many people already use it as engine oil alternative.
just it's not been concerned by others.

some people mixed it with ordinary engine oil. an some doesn't,
i also didn't mixed it.
just pour coconut cooking oil.
it's because as i knew oil will not mixed each other in differnt vilocity.
the heavy oil will be at the bottom while the light one will be on at top.
as we mix ordinary oil with different vilocity also will produce smoke from exhaust.

i'll dig more info about it to share.
cheers~
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Added on February 10, 2009, 2:34 am
QUOTE(kev da man @ Feb 10 2009, 12:56 AM)
wow, great, now we can throw away or Motul, Torco and Q8.
owning a GTR 35 was never cheaper! or more accessible!
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if i own a GTR.
i'll would not do this ever.
even in my FD2 (still under warranty)

if i own a GTR. that means i have a lot of notes in my account.
so why thinking about this alternative way.
or ever not thinking about it just a little.

now also owning a FD2 already sick.
paying car loans and house rent.
plus getting married soon.
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i'll do this on my kancil because at first i thinking about trasplanting the engine due to leaking here and there.
so if anything happen just change the engine. (halfcut bersepah-sepah)

but now feels like falling in love for second time with my kancil.
it serve me very well now.
maybe end up with replacing the leaking parts.

by the way.
maybe i'm going overhaul the engine if not changing it.
so we can see if the coconut oil produce an exesive wear or not.

This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 10 2009, 05:53 PM
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post Feb 10 2009, 06:28 AM

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interesting..take photo of the drained oil when replacing ..ive seen this online before,some guy used corn oil in his tractor or something.thought it was a hoax.also some rempits use used cooking oil as substitute for 2T
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actually, i was being sarcastic.
corn oil will never protect your engine as a proper engine oil will. you'll be waiting for either
a) sludge to build up
b) insufficient cooling
c) engine seal cracks, hence the leaks. on an FD2. doh.gif

you can't just use pure corn oil,

check these patents out;
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6531430/claims.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5888947.html

its a mixture of vege parts.

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post Feb 10 2009, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(kev da man @ Feb 10 2009, 02:34 PM)
actually, i was being sarcastic.
corn oil will never protect your engine as a proper engine oil will. you'll be waiting for either
a) sludge to build up
b) insufficient cooling
c) engine seal cracks, hence the leaks. on an FD2. doh.gif

you can't just use pure corn oil,

check these patents out;
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6531430/claims.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5888947.html

its a mixture of vege parts.
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huhu.
ya. dont use corn oil.

at first i buy corn oil to pour into the engine. (due to higher RM.. i tought it's better than cheap coconut cooking oil)
but guys from other forum says DONT.
just use ordinary coconut cooking oil a.k.a minyak masak sawit. (RM2.50 per packet / 1kg=1litre)

as stated in other forum after some research.
as knew.. coconut oil the the most synthetic oil (fact=ester are pure full syn ! group 5)
and high temp durability(fact=ester are most stable lube)

thats why.
don't want to use it in my FD2.
since it still under warranty summore.
surely void warranty.
need to wait another 2 1/2 years to try it.
if try it now and there's anything happen.
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post Feb 10 2009, 07:35 PM

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Okey,at first glance I thought it's some bullshit postings,
But a little bit of Googling for Coconut Oil Vegetable Oil as Engine Lubricant,especially as a alternative to "Fully Synthetic", started to open my eyes.

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use memang can use lah.... but whats the long term damage dat it will do to ur engine??...
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post Feb 11 2009, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Feb 10 2009, 07:35 PM)
Okey,at first glance I thought it's some bullshit postings,
But a little bit of Googling for Coconut Oil Vegetable Oil as Engine Lubricant,especially as a alternative to "Fully Synthetic", started to open my eyes.
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"Okey,at first glance I thought it's some bullshit postings.."
this situation also has been through by me.
but ends up by trying it
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hurm.
i didn't heard about vegetable oil before. hmm.gif
just coconut oil a.k.a minyak masak/minyak kelapa sawit.
it contain easter that is highly synthetic.


Added on February 11, 2009, 12:10 am
QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 10 2009, 08:02 PM)
use memang can use lah.... but whats the long term damage dat it will do to ur engine??...
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hye bro.
thanks for your comment.
if you have read my early postings.
that's why i dare to try.

we will knew if it produce long term damage to my engine later.
it's because i'm planing to overhaul the engine if i'm not changing the engine.
but need to wait la. (wait mileage reach 200,00km.. now at 175,000++ mark)
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QUOTE(kev da man @ Feb 10 2009, 02:34 PM)
actually, i was being sarcastic.
corn oil will never protect your engine as a proper engine oil will. you'll be waiting for either
a) sludge to build up
b) insufficient cooling
c) engine seal cracks, hence the leaks. on an FD2. doh.gif

you can't just use pure corn oil,

check these patents out;
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6531430/claims.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5888947.html

its a mixture of vege parts.
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Well of course its not gonna protect your engine well, ppl who do it normally are experimenting, just plainly dont care or have their own reasons.

the reason i wanna see the drained oil pics is to see if its broken down aka coking.I find it interesting, considering the fact that so much is invested in lubrication and additives in even plain jane mineral oil and still there are ppl using cooking oil,even worse used cooking oil. (btw i dont see the diff in vegetable oil, minyak masak,coconut oil,palm oil..arent they all vegetable oil?)

Besides cooking oil seems less viscous which means their lubricating properties are close to nill at higher temperatures.All these are based on my own understanding and assumptions.It seems totally insane and impossible and yet i personally know a guy who has been using cooking oil as 2T on his TZM.
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is this for real??!!! drool.gif

can't wait for the photo
looking forward to it man... whistling.gif when will u coming back from hometown? (PEECHE)

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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Feb 11 2009, 06:20 PM)
the reason i wanna see the drained oil pics is to see if its broken down aka coking.
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lol.
didn't chage the oil yet.
anyway willing to change it soon.
as the oil mileage reach 2000km.
now just 1300km.
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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Feb 11 2009, 06:20 PM)
It seems totally insane and impossible and yet i personally know a guy who has been using cooking oil as 2T on his TZM.
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as i knew. the 2T is pump together with fuel into the combustion to reduce the operating temperature since
it is 2 cycle operation.


Added on February 12, 2009, 10:52 am
QUOTE(driver @ Feb 12 2009, 01:55 AM)
is this for real??!!! drool.gif

can't wait for the photo
looking forward to it man... whistling.gif when will u coming back from hometown? (PEECHE)
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what photo are you requesting for bro.?

the cooking oil pict.?
sure got. hehe.

engine pict.?
sure got but not the internal. (how to snap the internal pict)

leaking pict.?
also got.

oil drain pict.?
not yet change my oil.
but will change soon.

now always traveling using kancil then FD2.
due to experimenting issue.
so far.
no probs yet.
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This post has been edited by peeche: Feb 12 2009, 10:52 AM
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coconut oil is the most synthetic i think comparing to others...

well, we got ourself synthetic stuff, so y not find other stuffs tht is good for protecting our engine n blend it well, then juz pour it into ur engine tongue.gif
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post Feb 12 2009, 12:13 PM

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Peeche, here is my suggestion.

You should had taken photos of "BEFORE" and "AFTER" of the Camshafts,should be easy to take off the rocker camshaft cover on a Kancil.

Then we can see whether is there any "sludge".

If you are willing to go to the extra mile of this experiment, have your mechanic remove the oil pan sump completely when you change the oil, then you can see the cleanliness of the crankshaft and pistons.

or have Oil Analysis, though it will cost quite a bit and needs to find the lab in Malaysia.

or cut open your Kancil oil-filter and inspect the filter inside.

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post Feb 12 2009, 12:32 PM

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I found this article, written by Thai university students

Vegetable-oil Testing as a Crankcase Lubricant in Small Diesel Engine[U]
http://tisd.en.kku.ac.th/tisd2008/data/TIS.../MEC/MEC_9T.pdf

If you are lazy to read through, goto page 4, "Concluding Remarks".

I think we need to add a bottle of "Oil Additives" for Vegetable Oil.

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err no bro,since in two stroke engines, theres no lubrication.the 2T is like engine oil to lubricate the moving parts to reduce metal on metal contact.

btw,check your dipstick..does the cooking oil show any signs of coking?is the colour still clean?any residue?
QUOTE(peeche @ Feb 12 2009, 10:47 AM)
lol.
didn't chage the oil yet.
anyway willing to change it soon.
as the oil mileage reach 2000km.
now just 1300km.
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as i knew. the 2T is pump together with fuel into the combustion to reduce the operating temperature since
it is 2 cycle operation.


Added on February 12, 2009, 10:52 am

what photo are you requesting for bro.?

the cooking oil pict.?
sure got. hehe.

engine pict.?
sure got but not the internal. (how to snap the internal pict)

leaking pict.?
also got.

oil drain pict.?
not yet change my oil.
but will change soon.

now always traveling using kancil then FD2.
due to experimenting issue.
so far.
no probs yet.
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