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slk5538
post Apr 23 2009, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(thken @ Apr 23 2009, 02:38 PM)
LCD have many type. LED is one of them, cold cathode is another 1, OLED is the latest thumbup.gif . how much is the price?
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LED TV is still LCD TV, but using LED as the light source. The common LCD TV uses cold cathode tube. LED TV was originally termed LCD TV with LED back lighting, but then Samsung decided to adopt the term LED TV for marketing reasons.

OLED TV is totally different from LCD TV.
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post Apr 24 2009, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 23 2009, 05:11 PM)
There has been a lot of talk about image retention these last few days. I have asked phat_newbie to try some things. What he is experiencing is image retention and I believe it will reduce with time. Just as a side note, both display types can suffer from this. See link below.

HDGuru Link

And if I am not mistaken, most if not all LCD owner manuals also have a clause that says you shd not view static images for a long time. Phospor based displays like CRT and Plasmas have a additional problem of suffering from permanent burn in.

There is not perfect display technology yet, till then understand you current displays limitation and you shd be better off.
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Totally agree with you. I have a friend, using LCD TV (and it is not a chap parang TV) in his shop connecting to CCTV, (constantly showing 9 frames of images) and guess what? He called us one day and reporting some ghosting, we went to check out and discover that it is a permanent image retention sweat.gif

So, those who claimed that LCD TV is better than plasma because of no burn in, better think twice. It is subject to how you use it, if you abuse it, who knows what would happen?


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QUOTE(engseng @ Apr 23 2009, 05:52 PM)
I thought the main advantage of the LED backlight is that it improves the contrast of the picture by having better control on lighting up areas of the screen compared to CCFL?
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That is the theory, but watch out for certain 2009 samsung LED TV. Some of these, especially those that are friendlier to our pocket, actually has the LED installed on the side of the screen and light were transmitted via some sort of light transmitting panel instead of having the LED at the back of the screen.

The only advantage of doing so is cheaper cost and thinner panel, but then the original intention of dimimg or off the individual LED to allow better black is scarifies.

Try to check out some foriengn forum, I remember reading someone quoting no differences in blacks between to CCFL LCD TV and these side LED TV


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QUOTE(phat_newbie @ Apr 23 2009, 05:23 PM)
OK guys, update on my IR issue. The Panasonic service guy came to my house at 5pm. And i showed him the IR on the screen. He told me that I am the very first guy to report this in Malaysia. Therefore, it is a big incident.

So, he took a couple of pictures and saved the pictures that I took yesterday also and jot down a brief report of my viewing habits that he will be sending to Japan. At the same time, he activated a screen wash feature from the service menu, which features an extremely bright white bar scrolling from left to right to clear the IR and he told me to leave it on for a couple of hours. According to him, it will either improve it or completely clear it and I was told to call him tomorrow morning and let him know of the improvements from this screen wash feature.

Meanwhile, he will go and consult the management regarding this to see whether or not the warranty is valid in this case coz IR within 4 months of normal usage is a very rare case and unacceptable scenario. All in all, Panny is really doing everything to keep pv80 purchasers happy. Extremely good and fast service I would say.

Anyway, will further update you guys on my findings
Wow, Panasonic's service rocks

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post Apr 24 2009, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(phat_newbie @ Apr 24 2009, 08:58 AM)
OK guys, I switched on my plasma just now. Displayed an all white screen. And the AXN logo is still there. Means that this is a permanent IR. Sigh... Will call up Panny later and try to appeal for the warranty.

Called them up already and told them about the IR which still exists on my panel. According to the Panasonic Malaysia's management, they cannot make any sound decision for the warranty claim for IR issues on the pv80 plasma tvs but they will direct this to Japan and bring it up to them. And it is up to Panasonic Japan to decide whether the warranty applies in this case or not. The service personnel promised that he will do his best to put in a good report and appeal for the warranty on my behalf. Fingers crossed for now.  sad.gif
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I do not own any Panasonic Plasma, but the customer service, from your description, is really fantastic. I think every consumer deserve this kind of service.

Hope you can get a replacement unit. But i think you won't be very mad at them even if they can't do that for you after all their efforts.

Thumbs up for Panasonic Malaysia.
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post Apr 25 2009, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(phat_newbie @ Apr 24 2009, 11:03 PM)
Yeah, they tried their best and they really did attend to me complaint and evaluated it in a professional sense. My support to Panasonic remains. Watching Bolt 720p now on my pv80 and image still looks superb. Ignoring the top right region and pay attention to the movie. Haha...
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rclxms.gif Thats the spirit notworthy.gif
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post Apr 29 2009, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(cala @ Apr 29 2009, 11:30 AM)
I can't wait to lay my hands on the TH-42PV80H. Any idea when this model was first launched?

Was it recent? If yes, does that means there's very low hope of the selling price going below RM2,800 then?
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shocking.gif where are you from bro? PV80 is a soon to be obsolete model, if not an already obsolete model!

The replacement for PV80 is the X10 series
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post Apr 30 2009, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Apr 30 2009, 01:22 AM)
what is wrong with you?  You got attitude problem.  I am just stating my opinion that the 42X10 is not such a great Tv in terms of resolution.  And the fact is that the 42X10 has only got 1024x768.  For me I just won't put my money in the 42X10 because there are so many 42" TV that have 1920x1080 resolution for the same price.  You can call the 42X10 HDtv if you wish but to me its not. 

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blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif err.. excuse me bro, I meant no offense ... but where can you get FullHD 42" for the price of 42X10? don't play with words here by citing LCD, cause 42X10 is a plasma.

To many, and depends on your main usage, a 720p 42" plasma still produces better PQ than most 1080p 42" LCD out there ...


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post May 4 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 4 2009, 11:03 AM)
Last weekend caught the new 6000 and 7000 series LED backlighting LCDs from Samsung. The 6000 and 7000 are similar both with 100Hz but the 7000 has internet capabilities. The 8000 is expected to be launched soon and will have 200Hz. The 9000 will have the local dimming ability.
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I think the 6000 & 7000 series are using edge LED, that's why they are cheaper but lacks the local dimming ability.

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post May 12 2009, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 11 2009, 05:17 PM)
You could probably see the difference easier in a static image. On moving pictures, it is difficult to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. Also easier to see the difference in animation movies. If u r almost 8feet back, it is difficult unless viewing on a screen that is 50in or more. Then the differences become clearer. On anything smaller than a 42in it is difficult to see, it is there but difficult to see.
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I think it depends on the person as well. I had the chance of comparing side by side the panasonic 42" PY800 and PV80, using the same source (Spider Man 3, Pearl Habour, POTC) both HD and SD materials. All I can say is I can easily see the differences in PQ. Pioneer's 428 produced PQ close to the PY800 (can't actually see the difference), don't know what Pioneer did to their set though.

Don't know about the newer generation though, probably the panasonic had closes the gap between the FUll HD and the 720p panel?

Anyway, I did not buy the Full HD Plasma because of thin wallet blush.gif

Just choose what suited you best!
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post May 29 2009, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(linkokkeen @ May 29 2009, 12:11 PM)
my mom yesterday bought a new samsung 40inch series 5 - B530 lcd tv, wat do u all think this tv, ok ah?
mostly watch astro.
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Already bought then no need to ask already. tongue.gif Suppose if someone tell you not good now, what are you going to do? change a TV? brows.gif Just sit back and enjoy your TV la.
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post Jun 9 2009, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Jun 9 2009, 12:22 PM)
Great you like your Sharp LCD tv.  Never believe in all the things you read in here.  This forum has many firm supporter of Plasma Tv giving very bias info against LCD tv which is very misleading.

I personally think that the plasma tv are great but like you say, the reflection my main concern.  Most of people i know of who prefer LCD over plasma cited reason that the plasma reflective screen looks bad.  However if you have dedicated HT room and watch movies in the dark, then plasma can reward you with great pictures.

But the sad things is that many LCD manufacturers are adopting glossy screens just to make the TV looks good.
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Well, I don't have the SHARP A77M LCD, so I can't tell if the panel had already solve the motion blur issue with LCD or not, but I think all of us has different sensitivity to the images we viewed, some just can't see the difference in PQ between Plasma and LCD, so for those who can't differentiate the difference in PQ, LCD is just fine, why pay more if you can't enjoy the benefit, right?

I have both LCD and Plasma in my house, and to most of my family members including my wife, and parents, they just can't notice the motion blur in LCD and the blacks and reflection in Plasma and keep saying that there is no difference. My brothers, on the other hand, noticed the better blacks in Plasma, but thats all for them. However, I can notice all those differences, and while I can dim my living room with thick curtain to counter the reflection on the Plasma, there is nothing I can do to solve the motion blur issue on my LCD and it really annoys me.

So it would be unfair to assume all of us here have the same degree of sensitivity to images viewed and automatically label anyone who said Plasma has better PQ are giving bias info. After all, most, if not all professional critics also agrees that Plasma is superior in term of PQ, right?

So, what I am trying to say is when it comes to choosing a flat panel tv, just get back to basis, go to the shop and see which one pleases you the most, and get the one that means value to your money for those that are budget concious. For those that are loaded, you might even want to get the best or expensive panel money can buy, and some would not even give a damn to the PQ, but just the appearance / design of the panel itself. Whatever choices you made in this matter, is completely legal and no one is stopping you, as long as you are using your own money.

AND that is why there are different types / brands of flat panel TVs with different specifications in the market. It meant for the consumers to choose the one that best suited their need. Again, if you can't tell the difference in the PQ between LCD and Plasma, you don't have to prefer one over the other based on the comment of other, just trust your own eyes.

If the world is big enough to accomodate 6 billion human beings, it is big enough to accommodate both LCD supporters and Plasma supporters, and someday maybe even LASER TV and Halographic TV supporters. So, there is no need for anyone to make enemy here by making annoying comment to the supporters of other camp.

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post Jun 10 2009, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(Homerun @ Jun 9 2009, 11:25 PM)
Hi, where is the shop?
Thanks.
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I think it is the furniture & electrical chain in Sabah & Sarawak. Not sure if they had any branch in West Malaysia or not.
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post Jun 13 2009, 11:07 AM

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Walmart is selling stand alone BD Player for only USD128.00. drool.gif When are we going to get that kind of bargain here? cool2.gif

Anyone working with Panasonic, Samsung or LG in this forum? Any idea when can we get sub RM1,000.00 BD Player in Malaysia?
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post Jul 4 2009, 08:05 AM

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SHARP 42A66 is below RM3.8K
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post Aug 11 2009, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Aug 10 2009, 11:06 PM)
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What if you watching TV alone at night but in the reflection you see another 'person' sitting next to you ... WTF  shocking.gif
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So now what? After 3D effect, movies now go to 4D / Virtual Reality? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 11 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(marky @ Aug 11 2009, 03:14 PM)
isit me or lcd picture and color is sharper than plasma...compared both in jusco
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is the lighting condition at the display hall very bright? IMO, LCD picture tends to look better under brightly lighted environment, and plasma the vice versa.

Overall, I prefer the PQ produces by Plasmas
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post Aug 20 2009, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Archaven @ Aug 20 2009, 11:29 AM)
noob question.. is it advisable to buy a plasma tv as a desktop monitor replacement?

my friend bought one but it seems that the font are all very small. eventhough this could be altered but other 3rd party applications font couldn't be changed.

also.. what about the image retention/burn in effect? if using windows, etc. how long it takes for the image retention?
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Are you sure it is a plasma and not LCD? Image retention is different from brn in. IR is temporary, Burn in is permanent. If use plasma as PC monitor, then I think you friend is gonna get burn ins due to those static images such as icons, menu bar very fast.
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post Aug 21 2009, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Archaven @ Aug 20 2009, 02:32 PM)
yeah i was referring to burn ins due to static images like the windows menubar, etc. normally how long does it takes to get this burn ins? but in terms of colour, response (no lag) during movies. movies are fantastic.
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difficult question to answer sweat.gif I don't think anyone would purposely try that out unless maybe the manufacturer? Why don't you ask Panasonic about that see what answer they give


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QUOTE(CalvinCLK @ Aug 20 2009, 03:40 PM)
What about the 2 black bars on top and bottom of the movie? Will get burn in effect due to that?
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IMHO, there is always the risk.

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post Aug 22 2009, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Archaven @ Aug 21 2009, 12:42 PM)
didn't know that the up and bottom black bar when watching movies will also cause burn in? this is something new to me..
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This is due to the cells at the picture area would age faster than the black bar areas. IMO, if you continue to watch your movies with the balck bars for very long hours without occasionally switching to full screen images, then you might just risk your panel to burn in.

Actually, If you observe carefully, you can always see the IR when you switch to full screen pictures after hours of movies with black bars. You can see the colour differences in the images where the edge of the bars located. So, theoritically if IR can happens, then burn in could also take place after much longer period of exposure to the same conditions causes the IR.

Some manufacturer actually trying to counter this problem by introducing grey bars on both sides of the screen when you view 4:3 images on your plasma, but it seems like they have not done the same to the black bars at the top & bottom of the screen

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post Aug 24 2009, 10:10 AM

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Anyone try the panasonic 42S10 (Full HD) already? How is the PQ if compare to 42X10 from 3 to 4 meters away? can notice any difference? The price of the S series is really tempting now.

Anyone had compare the panels mind to share your review?

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post Aug 27 2009, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(ashburn98 @ Aug 26 2009, 10:16 PM)
If you can afford the price difference, just get the S10. I assume most people that's buying 42" Plasma TV is going to use it for some years to come, therefore it makes no sense to me to get HD Ready (1024x768). Of course, at the moment I got my P42S10, the price difference with X10 was RM250.
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My concern here is not the price difference to buy my first plasma. I had already got a 720p plasma, so I was considering to upgrade or not?

Anyway, thanks for the reply. I had actually went to compare the plasma in electrical shop yesterday, and was comparing the s series and the c series (apparently the x series is temporary out of stock), with a viewing distance of approximately 2 to 3m. The source is 1080p (blu-ray). All I can notice is slightly sharper pictures and more vibrant color for certain scenes, and I don't think my eyes can tell the difference without side by side comparison.

So, I think I will keep my 720p plasma for the time being, and save some buck to join the blu club tongue.gif . After all, plasma is getting cheaper and newer technology / features are coming up very fast, so no hurry to upgrade my plasma.

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