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post Sep 5 2012, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 3 2012, 12:15 AM)
it's not about whether it came from IPTS or not. it's the accreditation or recognition that comes with it. for example, MQA is the base line recognition u'll need. if the degree is recognised by MQA, u're relatively safe. if not, then there's a big risk that IPTAs will not recognise u either.

that aside, universities will often look at ur latest qualifications as well. so it doesnt matter where u did ur undergraduate, as long as it gets u to a prestigious postgraduate school for masters.

so with these qualifications, i recommend u to park urself in a reputable university even if its faculty is in its infancy. actually, that's even better, as u get to put urself as one of the senior members of the faculty pretty quickly.
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I've actually inquired about why I wasn't accepted. I was actually accepted. rclxm9.gif Only problem is they need to see my IELTS test results because my base degree is not from English line. I wonder, if it's worth it taking the IELTS to pursue Master's in a local uni? Because I did some research, UKM/UPM/UM doesn't have that requirement for their literature courses and they're more prestigious than IIUM. However, only UM has English Lit course.

I want to try and apply for UM but then I know it's hard to get in. It is UM after all... sweat.gif
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post Sep 5 2012, 10:12 AM

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some universities in malaysia are 100% english. IIUM is the first one to achieve this (due to the title "international" in their name). so they use IELTS as the international benchmark ever since they first started, which i think is a good thing. so it's not about prestige or anything.

btw, do try UM. UM is one of the hardest university to get into, for UNDERGRADUATES. something that most people just assume and generalize. but the fact is, it's postgraduates are as easy (or hard) to get into as any other IPTAs in malaysia.
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post Sep 5 2012, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(lampardterry14 @ Sep 3 2012, 01:36 PM)
As far as i know, no lecturer that comes from industry shows any sign of regret being in academic line. In addition, i heard many bad things from my friends in industry  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Got, my lecturer (as I am from education facultry) regrets on becoming a lecturer. When you become a lecturer, all the time you need to do is lecture and the extra time you need to spend on either field work and research. Even holidays, they need to mark the exam paper and do the same thing + publication. My head of program (senior lecturer) regrets and now he always said how good was the days when he was in the school. Now as a lecturer, the only benefit is getting more salary but workload is much heavier. If you don't do any research or anything academic related, eventually you will get kicked out from university because of no contribution.

QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 5 2012, 10:12 AM)
some universities in malaysia are 100% english. IIUM is the first one to achieve this (due to the title "international" in their name). so they use IELTS as the international benchmark ever since they first started, which i think is a good thing. so it's not about prestige or anything.

btw, do try UM. UM is one of the hardest university to get into, for UNDERGRADUATES. something that most people just assume and generalize. but the fact is, it's postgraduates are as easy (or hard) to get into as any other IPTAs in malaysia.
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For IPTA, they do have a quota (you know I know) for getting lecturers. Unless you get a Master or PHD, otherwise you are not able to get into universities to become a lecturer.
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QUOTE(Latios @ Sep 5 2012, 12:44 PM)
Got, my lecturer (as I am from education facultry) regrets on becoming a lecturer. When you become a lecturer, all the time you need to do is lecture and the extra time you need to spend on either field work and research. Even holidays, they need to mark the exam paper and do the same thing + publication. My head of program (senior lecturer) regrets and now he always said how good was the days when he was in the school. Now as a lecturer, the only benefit is getting more salary but workload is much heavier. If you don't do any research or anything academic related, eventually you will get kicked out from university because of no contribution.


exactly what were u expecting when u became a lecturer?

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For IPTA, they do have a quota (you know I know) for getting lecturers. Unless you get a Master or PHD, otherwise you are not able to get into universities to become a lecturer.
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no, i dont know what u know. there are no quota for getting lecturers. the masters/phd thing is not a quota. it's a requirement.
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post Sep 6 2012, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 5 2012, 09:15 PM)
exactly what were u expecting when u became a lecturer?
no, i dont know what u know. there are no quota for getting lecturers. the masters/phd thing is not a quota. it's a requirement.
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From the view of most people, they said that lecturer's job is very easy and enjoyable, with high payment. A lot of my friends wanted to become a lecturer LOL. As they think that compared to teacher, they think that lecturer is easier job.

For IPTS, there is no any quotas. For IPTA, they did as it is a hidden requirement (Only in Malaysia). The quota is like the selection of choosing students to matriculation.
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post Sep 6 2012, 10:04 PM

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It is enjoyable when it is purely teaching and you are passionate about educating the youth, communicating with them, watch them grow from nothing to something. But these days, this is not the case anymore. We are all bogged down with tons of administrative works-even more than the teaching load sad.gif

Easy prolly because the working schedule is more flexible.


Conclusion?Not easy-because in the end, you will have to upgrade yourself academically. The time, the sacrifice and like me myself; having to let go of my full time teaching job just to pursue my PhD- a very difficult decision. Even so, the fruits beared much later when you're done with it, will not be as much as the other jobs/career. Do it and become one only if you're really into teaching. If you want money, do something else, not teaching please.
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It all depends on what type of lecturer you want to be. Just do the minimum, no sense of responsibility to the student, just refer to previous teaching materials, no consultancy, no research, just one or two admin work. There you go, easy life. And unfortunately, there ARE lecturers living their bed of roses in this way.

Honestly, I really dislike them.
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post Sep 11 2012, 12:54 AM

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Today is my first time applying for a gov job and the first time to use SPA portal, I'm looking for DS41 scheme which is a lecturer position. But I couldn't find any, how to apply lecturers job?

So far, I only know two method which are by applying through Pendaftar or the dean itself.

Other way? hmm.gif
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post Sep 11 2012, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Sep 11 2012, 12:54 AM)
Today is my first time applying for a gov job and the first time to use SPA portal, I'm looking for DS41 scheme which is a lecturer position. But I couldn't find any, how to apply lecturers job?

So far, I only know two method which are by applying through Pendaftar or the dean itself.

Other way?  hmm.gif
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SPA recently changed their schemes didn't they? I also noticed that the DS41 scheme for lecturer positions are no longer offered through SPA once upon a time when I wanted to renew my application. Which also happened to be right after they changed their schemes.

Sad though but I think now the only way to become a lecturer is to apply through the university itself (like you said) or maybe you can ask azarimy there. He's helped answer most of my questions. Because I would like to know the answer to your question as well. Heheh. thumbup.gif


Added on September 11, 2012, 5:08 pm
QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 5 2012, 10:12 AM)
some universities in malaysia are 100% english. IIUM is the first one to achieve this (due to the title "international" in their name). so they use IELTS as the international benchmark ever since they first started, which i think is a good thing. so it's not about prestige or anything.

btw, do try UM. UM is one of the hardest university to get into, for UNDERGRADUATES. something that most people just assume and generalize. but the fact is, it's postgraduates are as easy (or hard) to get into as any other IPTAs in malaysia.
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I happened to notice that you're lecturing in UTM? JB-rian here, hello! thumbup.gif

Ok back to the topic, as much as I would like to study in UM the course is a mixed mode and with me not having a background in English, I fear that I won't be able to excel in my research since I have yet to study that sector/industry. However, I have consulted one of my husband's relatives (a lecturer) who suggested that I try UPM. And since they have a coursework mode, I'm going to try.

IELTS is a tad too expensive for me right now, RM590 for entrance to a local Uni and the minimum band for entry is quite high as well. The prep classes are ridiculously expensive and so are the study materials. Though I've taken a look at some of the online examples, I'm afraid it won't be enough for me to achieve the band requirement. It would really be a waste if I didn't achieve the band requirement sweat.gif

Thank you though for taking time explaining things. You must be a good lecturer to your students. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by sugarpinky: Sep 11 2012, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(lampardterry14 @ Sep 3 2012, 01:36 PM)
As far as i know, no lecturer that comes from industry shows any sign of regret being in academic line. In addition, i heard many bad things from my friends in industry  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I knew one lecturer, who was a Senior Manager in a well-known electronics company, quit the job and pursued being an academician. He said he's happy even with the lower pay. Some people just enjoy teaching others, following passion instead of money-minded, some don't. I guess that's the factor.
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post Oct 1 2012, 09:04 PM

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Hi,
can anyone tell me is there a maximum teaching hours per week or maximum subjects per semester a lecturer need to handle? Is there a guideline to follow? TQ TQ notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(llic0 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:04 PM)
Hi,
can anyone tell me is there a maximum teaching hours per week or maximum subjects per semester a lecturer need to handle?  Is there a guideline to follow? TQ  TQ notworthy.gif
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In IPTS, the cap is usually at 18 hours per week. But it can go up during peak period.
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post Oct 2 2012, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(llic0 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:04 PM)
Hi,
can anyone tell me is there a maximum teaching hours per week or maximum subjects per semester a lecturer need to handle?  Is there a guideline to follow? TQ  TQ notworthy.gif
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24 hours for teaching-teaching category - IPTS
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post Oct 2 2012, 01:42 AM

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IPTS saturday pun ada class, IPTA ada ke?
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post Oct 5 2012, 02:07 PM

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post Oct 5 2012, 03:45 PM

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i have read this thread from beginning till end.. but im still confuse regarding few things..
1. if my aim is to be an English lecturer, would that means my bachelor degree have to be an English degree? i notice few forumers here posted that they could not get a job as English lecturer as their degree is not an English degree, and it does not comply with MQA's requirements..
2. is there any way to skip master and straight proceed with PHD? is that possible?

hope experts here can answer my questions.. would appreciate all answers.. notworthy.gif
Thanks heaps.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Geneveive @ Oct 5 2012, 07:45 AM)
i have read this thread from beginning till end.. but im still confuse regarding few things..
1. if my aim is to be an English lecturer, would that means my bachelor degree have to be an English degree? i notice few forumers here posted that they could not get a job as English lecturer as their degree is not an English degree, and it does not comply with MQA's requirements..
2. is there any way to skip master and straight proceed with PHD? is that possible?

hope experts here can answer my questions.. would appreciate all answers.. notworthy.gif
Thanks heaps..  smile.gif
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1. it would mean that if u hold an english degree, it's more relevant for the job than any other degrees. u have to understand that intake into academia highly depends on the need of the school and what u can offer to fill the need. if they're full to the brim with english graduates and are looking for members with other specialisation, u know ur degree would be less preferred than someone with, say, a history degree.

1a. MQA does not determine what u can do with ur degree.

2. yes. but an express programme or Mphil/PhD degree highly depends on ur undergraduate achievements. usually u will need a 1st class honours degree.
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QUOTE(Geneveive @ Oct 5 2012, 03:45 PM)
i have read this thread from beginning till end.. but im still confuse regarding few things..
1. if my aim is to be an English lecturer, would that means my bachelor degree have to be an English degree? i notice few forumers here posted that they could not get a job as English lecturer as their degree is not an English degree, and it does not comply with MQA's requirements..
2. is there any way to skip master and straight proceed with PHD? is that possible?

hope experts here can answer my questions.. would appreciate all answers.. notworthy.gif
Thanks heaps..  smile.gif
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I would like to answer Question 2 for you.

The answer to that question is a definite yes, provided you graduate with first class honours. A first class honours degree will open a lot of doors for you in terms of postgraduate opportunities, be it locally or overseas.

Allow me to share with you my personal experience. I did my undergraduate studies in a not-so-famous university in the form of Universiti Malaysia Perlis. It is nothing compared to the big guys like UM, USM or UTM. No way near, to be very frank. But because of my okok results, I managed to get into NUS and now I am happily pursuing my PhD over there.

So, yep...you could do that. I have a few uni-mates who did exceptionally well in their undergrad, and are now in USM doing their PhDs. If you really are passionate about research, you could try and look into what NUS has to offer.

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QUOTE(Geneveive @ Oct 5 2012, 03:45 PM)
i have read this thread from beginning till end.. but im still confuse regarding few things..
1. if my aim is to be an English lecturer, would that means my bachelor degree have to be an English degree? i notice few forumers here posted that they could not get a job as English lecturer as their degree is not an English degree, and it does not comply with MQA's requirements..
2. is there any way to skip master and straight proceed with PHD? is that possible?

hope experts here can answer my questions.. would appreciate all answers.. notworthy.gif
Thanks heaps..  smile.gif
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number 1 is not really true. i am in the SLAI scheme under an IPTA for english linguistics even though my bachelor's was done in translation, which was mainly taught in BM. the impression i get is that while the bachelors and masters is important, the phd is still the most pertinent.

btw, to be a lecturer in english, you will need to specialise. as far as i know, there are no phd in just 'english'. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 8 2012, 12:54 PM)
1. it would mean that if u hold an english degree, it's more relevant for the job than any other degrees. u have to understand that intake into academia highly depends on the need of the school and what u can offer to fill the need. if they're full to the brim with english graduates and are looking for members with other specialisation, u know ur degree would be less preferred than someone with, say, a history degree.

1a. MQA does not determine what u can do with ur degree.

2. yes. but an express programme or Mphil/PhD degree highly depends on ur undergraduate achievements. usually u will need a 1st class honours degree.
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Thanks bro,appreciate your answer.. smile.gif


Added on October 14, 2012, 5:30 pm
QUOTE(bb100 @ Oct 10 2012, 11:12 PM)
I would like to answer Question 2 for you.

The answer to that question is a definite yes, provided you graduate with first class honours. A first class honours degree will open a lot of doors for you in terms of postgraduate opportunities, be it locally or overseas.

Allow me to share with you my personal experience. I did my undergraduate studies in a not-so-famous university in the form of Universiti Malaysia Perlis. It is nothing compared to the big guys like UM, USM or UTM. No way near, to be very frank. But because of my okok results, I managed to get into NUS and now I am happily pursuing my PhD over there.

So, yep...you could do that. I have a few uni-mates who did exceptionally well in their undergrad, and are now in USM doing their PhDs. If you really are passionate about research, you could try and look into what NUS has to offer.
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Hey,thanks for the feedback.. smile.gif
Respect your achievements.. notworthy.gif
Its wonderful to see someone manage to achieve that..
Your experience are really helpful.. nod.gif


Added on October 14, 2012, 5:31 pm
QUOTE(runandflip @ Oct 11 2012, 12:56 PM)
number 1 is not really true. i am in the SLAI scheme under an IPTA for english linguistics even though my bachelor's was done in translation, which was mainly taught in BM. the impression i get is that while the bachelors and masters is important, the phd is still the most pertinent.

btw, to be a lecturer in english, you will need to specialise. as far as i know, there are no phd in just 'english'.  biggrin.gif
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Thank you for the feedback..appreciate that.. notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by Geneveive: Oct 14 2012, 05:31 PM

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