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 Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool vs Pompey Sunday 0100

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post Feb 4 2009, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Feb 4 2009, 04:15 PM)
surely the official saw it..especially linesman..he kick his ass man...
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mo matadar (the name of the linesman if i spelt correctly) clearly saw the offence.

when he waved his flag frantically after seeing the incident at the corner flag, i thought bosingwa was definitely going off for an early shower.

but to my amazement he then pointed the flag towards liverpool's side and signalled a freekick (or throw in, i'm not so sure)! i really can't tell what's going on in the linesman's head at that moment.

i'm sure mike riley would've sent bosingwa off should he witnessed the offence, i don't blame the ref on this one, but the linesman, a chelsea fan? i don't know.

anyway, the english FA is making a fool out of themselves AGAIN by saying that they can't do anything about it just because of the 'RULES'. 99.99% of the world's population says that's a red card and bosingwa deserves to be banned at least 2-3 matches, but unfortunately the remaining 0.01% is in the FA's board.

respect campaign my foot.

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post Feb 4 2009, 04:22 PM

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Oh gosh... I for one wouldn't want to see Keane to leave, or at least not until the end of the season, but that doesn't hide the fact that he just wasn't good enough or neither does he has the right attitude. Anyway here's an interesting article regarding Keane's "ill-treatment" at Liverpool:

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The Treatment of Robbie Keane

A young, smart and energetic lad started in our place last year, having apparently grown tired in his previous role and wanted a new challenge. He came into work that first morning bursting with enthusiasm and we thought we'd hired a good'un. His CV was impressive and everything pointed to him adding to the workforce and improving the company as a whole. Exciting times lay ahead for us all.

We gave him a few jobs to do but he was slow to find his feet, which I suppose is understandable in a new environment and working with new people. The first distress signals went out when he used to storm off a job. Annoyed with himself and annoyed with his manager for taking him off it. He wanted to finish it himself, thought he was capable, but his application told us differently. He wasn't quite ready. Each time he was taken off a job, he became more and more frustrated with both himself and those around him. It wasn't working out quite as planned. He's now left and gone back to his old place, his comfort zone, as he just wasn't as cut out to handling the step up the ladder; a shame really, as everything looked in place for it to be a successful step. Sometimes thinks just don't work out as first thought.

That man's name was Robbie Keane.

Last summer, I was over the moon when I was told of his signing. At last we had a top class striker to play alongside Torres, or take some of the weight off his shoulders at the very least. But just like the similarly exciting signing of Harry Kewell a few years before, it doesn't always go to plan. And while a lot of people last night and this morning have been bleating that he was treated terribly by Benitez, I'd like to strongly disagree. His attitude more than anything has cost him a real go of making it at Anfield. That and his absolutely hopeless performances in a red shirt.

The press have been reeling out their usual rubbish this morning, with some fans being taken in by it all without forming their own opinions on the situation. I had the radio on this morning driving into work, and after listening to a few "fans" going on about him being treated disgracefully, I had to switch off.

Even stating we bought him for £20.3m (which was inclusive of add-ons we will not have had to pay - so the figure was nearer £18m), yet have sold him for £12m (with add-ons to follow, taking the fee to £15.5m) - so instead of portraying the actual loss on the player more than likely being around £2.5m, they are reporting to be an £8m loss, which is wide of the mark.

"He was never given a chance and he's been treated like a leper"

"Benitez is a disgrace for the way he's shunned Keane this season"

This is the supposed treatment of a player than has played 28 times for the club in the first half of the season, scoring only 7 goals. A player that has looked woefully out of his depth, and carried with that an attitude that stunk almost as badly as that pint of milk I spilt in the back of the car a few months ago; it lingers forever and shows no sign of improvement. Maybe I should sell my car to 'Arry as well.

With Fernando Torres out for a large portion of the early part of the season, Robbie Keane was given every chance of leading the line for Liverpool. Yet time and time again he underperformed, and was taken off on or around the 70 minute mark, more often than not shrugging his shoulders, mouthing obscenities and generally spitting his dummy out at being removed from the action. It was that attitude and behaviour more than anything that annoyed me. And he was taken off as he wasn't performing, not because the manager had it in for him.

If he'd just scored two and was running the show on the pitch, you could understand him being frustrated. But when the reality involved him missing yet another open goal, failing to link up with other attacking players and generally looking 10 yards of the pace, what has he got to moan at? He had done very, very little to justify being on the field for 90 minutes. And if he thought his performances did warrant a guaranteed place in the side, then he needs to take a step back and realise that he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

He scored a couple of goal against Bolton at Christmas, and was then dropped / rested / rotated for the trip to Newcastle, which brought widespread criticism from the usual voices. We went to Newcastle and wiped the floor with them, winning the game 5-1 when in all reality it could have been double figures. All without Robbie Keane. He was then brought back into the side for the trip to Preston a few days later, and stank the place out once again. Another handful of sitters missed, and this is the man that is supposed to be undroppable?

A few weeks later we faced Everton in one of the biggest Merseyside derbies in recent memory. He started the game up front with Torres, yet once again massively disappointed. Torres must have won 5 or 6 flick ons that evening, yet each time his strike partner was struggling 20 yards off the pace and offering him no support. I don't think he touched the ball more than a handful of times all night, and was sinking in front of 45,000 people. When his number went up and he left the field, we were subjected to the usual "not me again" attitude and off he went. Can someone please tell me, what he had done to justify staying on the field that night? He was the worst player on the pitch by an absolute mile, yet somehow felt hard done by in being withdrawn?

He was then left out of the squad completely for the FA Cup tie the following weekend, and rightly so in my eyes. He'd done nothing to justify being involved seeing as he'd flopped badly a few days previous, and displayed once again that petulant attitude when removed from the game. The writing was on the wall. He was gone.

There is a common belief that Benitez didn't even want Keane this summer, and that Rick Parry made the signing, not the manager. The contract situation in recent weeks adds substance to that notion, and whatever way you look at it, the way transfers are dealt with at Anfield are a disgrace, and something I've covered before in previous articles. But for some to suggest Benitez has shunted Keane all season as he never wanted him in the first place, are well, well wide of the mark in my opinion. Keane has been given every chance to prove himself, but failed time and time again; with his attitude and dissent contributing more than anything to his exclusion.

You may have been a boyhood red Robbie, but you've thrown away the chance you had of making it here. Back to being a big fish in a small pond, which is probably your level, as you were embarrassingly out of your depth at Anfield.

But to suggest he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip - rubbish.

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Source: http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fan...reatment-o.html
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post Feb 4 2009, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 4 2009, 04:22 PM)
Oh gosh... I for one wouldn't want to see Keane to leave, or at least not until the end of the season, but that doesn't hide the fact that he just wasn't good enough or neither does he has the right attitude. Anyway here's an interesting article regarding Keane's "ill-treatment" at Liverpool:
Source: http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fan...reatment-o.html
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led_zep_freak had a good article there, but i think it's a bit too harsh on keane from the way the writer put it.

one thing that suddenly came to my mind is that keane's 20.3m deal in the summer is inclusive of add-ons, so initially we paid 18m. perhaps the add-ons could be something like making a number of appearances, or goals scored, which possible will be activated had keane played in few of those games in january. that could be the reason why keane was dropped for several games last month.

i don't know though, nobody revealed his contract, but that could be it. so we actually lost around 6mil, which will be further reduced should the add-ons in keane's current contract are activated (which i personally believe will likely to happen, i don't think keane will be thinking of moving anywhere in the next 2-3 years). my guess is one of the add-ons in keane's current deal is helping tottenham to avoid relegation this season. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(GulaV @ Feb 4 2009, 04:09 PM)
Don't you know that everyone on earth is against us. Media here in Malaysia are not interested with Liverpool story. I always observed, any Liverpool news will be small at the corner of the newspaper.

And now, even peoples in FA are either Liverpool hater or Chelsea lover. Bosingwa didn't get what he deserve and Lampard is forgiven. Justice my *ss.
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Absolutely untrue! That only applies to good news. The bad news will be splashed with provocative headlines! tongue.gif
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yeah the article is a bit too harsh in my opinion, everybody needs time to settle in a team...look at henry when he was at arsenal took time to settle then became a superstar
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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Feb 4 2009, 04:44 PM)
Absolutely untrue! That only applies to good news. The bad news will be splashed with provocative headlines!  tongue.gif
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But doesn't that apply to ALL newspapers? Their entire business model is run on bad news :-)
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Kevin nolan = big LFc fan
Theo Walcott = another big LFc fan

so should we bring them in (because to live their LFc dream??)

I'm sure keane knows it better than all of the critics, he tried very hard but as it is playing in a match is only a portion of it. practice games & training is where IF you fit the system/style the manager notices, you might get more minutes.

if there are those who may be disillusioned by LFc of late, so be it. this are just a list of trials a long-time fan had endured.

If we win it, we win it. if not this year, then next. sure carra & gerrard arent getting younger. but the pool is slowy shifter to some nice exciting crop of players.

if there is a player poorer than keane this season is ryan babel. (if he throws a tantrum to get transfered, which i hope not, then so be it)

if rafa is judged as unable to deliver the title this season, then parry, & the bumbling yanks should bear the most too.



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Any lineup prediction for tonight? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(epolmuse @ Feb 4 2009, 04:47 PM)
yeah the article is a bit too harsh in my opinion, everybody needs time to settle in a team...look at henry when he was at arsenal took time to settle then became a superstar
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Except Keane will never be a Henry type of a player will he ? Regardless, unlike Henry, Keane hasnt got time on his side and doesnt have the excuse of not having any EPL experience. He had the chance to become a legend of his boyhood dream but failed to live the dream. Sad but thats the bitter truth of it.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 4 2009, 04:53 PM)
Any lineup prediction for tonight? unsure.gif
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4-5-1(as usual) sweat.gif

Gerrard and Alonso in the middle, Torres lone striker up front....... nod.gif

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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Feb 4 2009, 05:10 PM)
4-5-1(as usual) sweat.gif

Gerrard and Alonso in the middle, Torres lone striker up front....... nod.gif
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My guess:


Reina

Arby Hyypia Carra Dossena

Kuyt Lucas Masch Benayoun

Gerrard

Torres




If masch and lucass play in the center again, I m not so optimistic about the result.Their partnership just wont work.Still, that's my guess cos I think Rafa gonna play Lucas ahead of Alonso. wink.gif
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Actually with the system that Liverpool plays... employing just one striker upfront... can any other players, no matter how good they are, come in without struggling? And having to fill in Torres' shoes at that? I think it's a damn tall order!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 4 2009, 05:14 PM)
My guess:


Reina

Arby  Hyypia Carra Dossena

Kuyt Lucas Masch Benayoun

Gerrard

Torres


If masch and lucass play in the center again, I m not so optimistic about the result.Their partnership just wont work.Still, that's my guess cos I think Rafa gonna play Lucas ahead of Alonso.  wink.gif
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i dont see why alonso wasnt on your lineup...i rather put benayoun in mid than lucas, reira can take the left side.
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imo babel will be on the left and benni on the right.... i would put lucas on the bench and start alonso and marsh. lucas should only start playing only when we are leading. no offence to lucas fans here smile.gif
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Feb 4 2009, 05:28 PM)
i dont see why alonso wasnt on your lineup...i rather put benayoun in mid than lucas, reira can take the left side.
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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Feb 4 2009, 05:33 PM)
imo babel will be on the left and benni on the right....  i would put lucas on the bench and start alonso and marsh. lucas should only start playing only when we are leading. no offence to lucas fans here smile.gif
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The reason why I think Lucas will start ahead of Alonso is because imo, Rafa is going to rest Alonso.Mascherano is well known for his stamina while Alonso isnt.With us having another match against Pompey soon, Alonso will be rested.Riera too.So, Lucas to start tonight...That's my bet. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Feb 4 2009, 04:44 PM)
Absolutely untrue! That only applies to good news. The bad news will be splashed with provocative headlines!  tongue.gif
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I CANT deny this (at the same time, id be lying if i said i didnt enjoy it too tongue.gif), its so apparent this season.

But for some odd reason the papers love to elaborate,speculate,ridicule the negative stories of Pool and when a decent win comes its way, theres probably only a meagre 100 word write up about it. Having said that, Liverpools off-field antics has been quite a few and its such a shame that your beloved club has made fantastic progress this season and the papers continue to take the shine off it.

This might be cos even the Liverpool-supporting journalists have gotten sick of empty promises over the years and its a way of keeping it 'real' for themselves. Not a very nice thing to happen though ... wudnt appreciate it if the same was to happen to United.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 4 2009, 05:47 PM)
The reason why I think Lucas will start ahead of Alonso is because imo, Rafa is going to rest Alonso.Mascherano is well known for his stamina while Alonso isnt.With us having another match against Pompey soon, Alonso will be rested.Riera too.So, Lucas to start tonight...That's my bet.  nod.gif
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if rafa want to win this cup, he has to put at least someone on the midfield with the ability to pass the ball better (A play maker) and that is certainly not lucas. for this cup, this match is crucial and i really wont take the risk and include lucas. what i was hoping is alonso played for the first half and try to kill the game early so that players can be more relax and rest for the weekends match against Portsmouth
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i think tonite formation:

Reina

Arbeloa agger hyppia dossena

lucas masch

benni gerrard babel

torres


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Anyone in the injury table for both teams for tonight match? Arteta is back right?
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QUOTE(aboogee @ Feb 4 2009, 05:57 PM)
I CANT deny this (at the same time, id be lying if i said i didnt enjoy it too tongue.gif), its so apparent this season.

But for some odd reason the papers love to elaborate,speculate,ridicule the negative stories of Pool and when a decent win comes its way, theres probably only a meagre 100 word write up about it. Having said that, Liverpools off-field antics has been quite a few and its such a shame that your beloved club has made fantastic progress this season and the papers continue to take the shine off it.

This might be cos even the Liverpool-supporting journalists have gotten sick of empty promises over the years and its a way of keeping it 'real' for themselves. Not a very nice thing to happen though ... wudnt appreciate it if the same was to happen to United.
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Thank you for agreeing with what many of us sees it clearly, it's always "Rafa's Rotation" but Ferguson or Wenger "Rest players".

Having said that, I think it was because there are too many ex Liverpool Players in the media, couple with a Spaniard that "doesn't understand the culture, the English game" so every time they smell blood, it's splashed all over the papers. I am not sure why, perhaps because the club with such steep tradition would fall that far behind. IT's not like the Leeds or Nottingham Forest where they practically dropped off the radar, only occasionally pop up in the odd League / FA Cup games or when they got hammered or hammered someone.

Liverpool, on the other hand, occupy the unwanted "neither here nor there" spot where we weren't good enough (will change after this season) to constantly challenge for top honours, even when we did, it was through grit and what many termed as luck (both 3 - 3 games that won Benitez his trophies), but too good for the rest who weren't playing for anything. It's a place I hate, but I know that after this season, they would be talking about Liverpool in another way, and hopefully in Joe Kinnear, they'll find someone else to lambaste, for he clearly deserves it. thumbup.gif

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