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post Jan 13 2009, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ervinliew86 @ Jan 13 2009, 10:07 AM)
Compare the squad we used to have in 03/04 season.
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Other than Sagna, i can't see any department which is better than the past. Cesc is almost the same par as Vieira, but more creative. but Vieira brings the monster in our midfield. As for the defence, I'll have Campbell anytime of the day.

No point dwelling on the past though. I just hope AW will do something soon. We can't go on trophiless for long. We must win silverware this season.

In Arsene I trust!
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We had to change the squad... most of the unbeaten team's players were at the peak of their powers or on the decline so if we didn't inject new blood soon we'll end up with an aging team like Milan last season.

Having said that, Arsene's ruthless release of so many first teamers in a short period of time has affected our team's overall performance as the youngsters were given far too high expectations. It's not entirely Arsene's fault to be honest - Paddy left because of Fabs' uprise, Dennis was always going to retire sooner or later, Bobby wanted a longer deal which wasn't exactly in the team's best interests (plus we had Reyes ready as his replacement that time), Cashley god damn it, Sol had a mental breakdown, Lauren and Freddie probably wasn't the same as before after injuries. The team just had to be replaced... and replace them we did with players like Tommy, Hleb, Matty, etc. Things didn't exactly work out that well apart from last season's early title surge and the reasons have been discussed to death.

QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Jan 13 2009, 10:35 AM)
i think someitmes AW shud give some chance to younger players to play in bigger league games...like MU give chance to anderson,nani ,rafael and evans when they came..not to say copying MU style...just tat this will increase the depth of the squad...so tat when injury comes,it wont affect the match too much...just my 2 cents....
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Erm... hello? Not to be rude, but an MU fan talking about giving youngsters a chance compared to Arsenal? MU has the luxury of a big squad and better luck with injuries, so you guys actually don't have to depend on youngsters as much as we do. Having said that, it's definitely a pro to be able to have players like Carrick on the BENCH when our bench often consist of players that are barely past their 20s.

Anyway, Myles Palmer gives some decent insight that's worth reading, but he does include the obligatory MU-worshipping.
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Clearly, Fabregas is a very different type of playmaker to Nasri. He mainly plays one/two touch and creates goals with early passes that other players cannot see. At his best, Fabregas is shrewd, economical and deadly. Nasri usually holds the ball more, carries it forward and sideways, dribbles in the middle third, looks, dribbles a bit more, then passes.

After Fabregas was crocked, Wenger wanted to see how Nasri, his other brainy footballer, could shape the play from the middle of the park. Even though Aaron Ramsey, the teenager, is more like Fabregas in style. Arsenal is a French club playing in England, as Robbie Pires noted, and it's had three French captains before the Spaniard earned the armband, so it's always likely that a French player will be given a bigger role , if a bigger role is up for grabs.

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It's a good observation. Fabs doesn't do fancy dribbles, he doesn't have afterburners; but what he offers to us is the quick feet passing and oracle-like vision. Nasri is a Hleb with shooting mode switched on. I still retain the belief that we can accomodate both players in the same team, with Fabs remaining as the fulcrum while Nasri is given the license to roam and shoot.

For the kids, Aaron is indeed like Fabs whose passing is the main spark, while Jack has more trickery and footwork which is not unlike Nasri.

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post Jan 13 2009, 12:16 PM

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Mobido Diakite? never heard of him but looking on his physical size, 6ft 4ins, adding him not a bad idea to Arsenal afterall.
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post Jan 13 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Jan 13 2009, 10:35 AM)
i think someitmes AW shud give some chance to younger players to play in bigger league games...like MU give chance to anderson,nani ,rafael and evans when they came..not to say copying MU style...just tat this will increase the depth of the squad...so tat when injury comes,it wont affect the match too much...just my 2 cents....
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ahem, bro, do you think SAF will play evans instead of a fit rio? as well as rafael instead of experienced neillve? somehow i lol @ this statement, meanwhile anderson and nani they've gained enough experience last season and also starting up against small team first


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Next match against Hull City at their home.

Can we finnaly BEAT THEM?
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post Jan 13 2009, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Jan 12 2009, 10:54 PM)
The best player in Europe? You gotta be kidding! If Yes, he should have won some awards right?? rclxm9.gif
What abt Ronaldo then?
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Ronaldo is nothing without his diving and playacting skills. Show me one match where he actually played well against a better left/right backs.

QUOTE(ervinliew86 @ Jan 13 2009, 10:16 AM)
Another line-up to reflect on. The best team, IMO that Arsene have ever bring together. The double winning team, 97/98.

Seaman
Dixon - Adams/Bould - Keown/Grimandi - Winterburn
Parlour/Ljunberg - Vieira - Petit - Overmars/Platt
Bergkamp/Kanu - Anelka/Wright
I feel Clichy have to improve. I don't think he's still at his best. Cole however, was perfect that whole season. He tackling was crisp and his crosses are inch perfect. He was one of the key player that season. Although he betrayed us, we still owe him. Deep down inside our heart, he's one of the best left-back that will ever grazed on the famous red and white kit.
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Just some correction. No offence. Kanu and Ljungberg still havent arrive yet at this time. Ljungberg came the season while Kanu the season after
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Jan 13 2009, 01:32 PM)
Next match against Hull City at their home.

Can we finnaly BEAT THEM?
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It depends on which players Arsene put on the pitch. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KingHenry14 @ Jan 13 2009, 01:51 PM)
It depends on which players Arsene put on the pitch.  hmm.gif
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i hope it's not a draw.. we lost to them once b4=.= man im really worry of arsenal's defense lol
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QUOTE(KingHenry14 @ Jan 13 2009, 01:51 PM)
It depends on which players Arsene put on the pitch.  hmm.gif
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For sure, the on-form nasri gonna play, no?

Damn, i start to like that kid...His flicks were awesome. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 13 2009, 01:48 PM)
Ronaldo is nothing without his diving and playacting skills. Show me one match where he actually played well against a better left/right backs.
Just some correction. No offence. Kanu and Ljungberg still havent arrive yet at this time. Ljungberg came the  season while Kanu the season after
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Oh yeah... Both player came in during the 98/99 January transfer actually...

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post Jan 13 2009, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 13 2009, 02:04 PM)
For sure, the on-form nasri gonna play, no?

Damn, i start to like that kid...His flicks were awesome.  thumbup.gif
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My Ideal Line up is

-----------Almunia-------------

Sagna ---Toure----Djourou----Clichy---

Eboue --- Song --- Nasri --- Vela--------


---------Van Persie ---------Adebayor-------


Sub: Bendtner, Ramsey can come in to add some spark if we are still 0-0 after 60 ~ 65 mins...


Eboue --- Denilson ---Diaby-----Nasri--- midfield seems just doesn't work for me.

It looks flat to me and when bus parking tactic employed, you will see the passes just sprayed around the box but no penetration.





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post Jan 13 2009, 03:15 PM

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I'm not gonna bother listing down the 1998 and 2009 players one by one to compare, but the mere mention of Grimandi as a squad player will tell you that we did not have the best of personnel back then.

In 1998, we also had our fair share of injuries and disciplinary problems. Seaman, Wright and Adams had medium-term injuries, and IIRC either one of Petit or Vieira also had long periods out (but I think that could have been coz of the red cards! lol!). And I remember Bergkamp also had a few suspensions here and there.

But we pulled it off!! How?

Despite some squad players being really mediocre (Christopher Wreh springs to mind), somehow the whole team stepped up a gear. Overmars started banging in goals and young Nic had a strong end to the season. I remember Stephen Hughes deputising well, while Parlour could also slug it out in the middle of the park when Vieira was out. Winterburn even scored a scorcher from distance, I think against Chelsea. Wreh and Boa Morte scored only 4-5 between them but I remember all their goals were critical. And who could forget the super display by the young Austrian keeper, Manninger, who played 10-15 games in Seamo's absence. I think it was something like 5 cleansheets in a row or something. We won 10 games in a row or something like that.

That was the proudest moment as an Arsenal fan for me, especially seeing Adams slam the ball into the back of the net against Everton at Highbury.

Remember also, that the '98 squad was full of new players and Frenchies and we just sold club legend, Paul Merson. I've not been in the Arsenal dressing room, but I can bet you that the leadership qualities of Tony Adams had something to do with uniting them towards the title run-in.

In summary, what we are missing is inspiration, and I cannot see where that is going to come from with our current squad.

I can only hope that recent wins will kickstart something... FAST!!

p/s: Sorry if I got some details wrong. I'm typing based on memory here!

(This post makes me feel like shopping online for a 1998 Championship DVD)
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i'm confident we r gonna beat Hull in this coming match!
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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 13 2009, 01:48 PM)
Ronaldo is nothing without his diving and playacting skills. Show me one match where he actually played well against a better left/right backs.
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Harsh words.

He might not always get the upper hand against every fullback and in fact Cashley managed to silence him before and our win against them this season saw Clichy doing the same as well; but Ronaldo's explosiveness and consistency make him worthy of the awards he has gotten. And a double trophy plus 42 goals last season says a lot too.

QUOTE(Zan81 @ Jan 13 2009, 03:15 PM)
I'm not gonna bother listing down the 1998 and 2009 players one by one to compare, but the mere mention of Grimandi as a squad player will tell you that we did not have the best of personnel back then.
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(This post makes me feel like shopping online for a 1998 Championship DVD)
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Great history lesson for us here tongue.gif I only remember glimpses of the our final surge towards the 97/98 double as it was my first year exposure to football but I haven't exactly supported any team yet back then.

There's every possibility that the current squad can accumulate enough points to crawl closer to our rivals ahead of us. Looking at the table, Chelsea at second place is only 4 points ahead of us. MU is likely to overtake them with their games in hand, but we might be able to push for 3rd spot if we keep on scrapping maximum points from every match. Of course, Villa's threat is still present but the memory of the "delicious lasagne" remains fresh in our minds. It ain't over till the 38th match, so let's keep on pushing Villa till they falter.

Off topic: And look at something really SICK from Gourcuff over the weekend... Totally SICKENINGLY AWESOME.


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Mobido Diakite? now that's more likely sound like AW kinda signing... no one heard of him but AW have eyes for them. I love it!
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That is totally sick!!That was great!!
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QUOTE(KingHenry14 @ Jan 13 2009, 03:09 PM)
My Ideal Line up is

-----------Almunia-------------

Sagna ---Toure----Djourou----Clichy---

Eboue --- Song --- Nasri --- Vela--------
---------Van Persie ---------Adebayor-------
Sub: Bendtner, Ramsey can come in to add some spark if we are still 0-0 after 60 ~ 65 mins...
Eboue --- Denilson ---Diaby-----Nasri--- midfield seems just doesn't work for me.

It looks flat to me and when bus parking tactic employed, you will see the passes just sprayed around the box but no penetration.
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Song? i wont prefer him over Denilson.


QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 13 2009, 03:40 PM)
Harsh words.

He might not always get the upper hand against every fullback and in fact Cashley managed to silence him before and our win against them this season saw Clichy doing the same as well; but Ronaldo's explosiveness and consistency make him worthy of the awards he has gotten. And a double trophy plus 42 goals last season says a lot too.
Great history lesson for us here tongue.gif I only remember glimpses of the our final surge towards the 97/98 double as it was my first year exposure to football but I haven't exactly supported any team yet back then.

There's every possibility that the current squad can accumulate enough points to crawl closer to our rivals ahead of us. Looking at the table, Chelsea at second place is only 4 points ahead of us. MU is likely to overtake them with their games in hand, but we might be able to push for 3rd spot if we keep on scrapping maximum points from every match. Of course, Villa's threat is still present but the memory of the "delicious lasagne" remains fresh in our minds. It ain't over till the 38th match, so let's keep on pushing Villa till they falter.

Off topic: And look at something really SICK from Gourcuff over the weekend... Totally SICKENINGLY AWESOME.

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wo, nice trick and finishing. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 05:18 PM

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Gourcuff?? last time we used to link to this player.
but it didn't materialize.
He frustrated with lacking playing time with AC Milan but after he came back to his homeland, he can perform very well.
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post Jan 13 2009, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 13 2009, 01:48 PM)
Ronaldo is nothing without his diving and playacting skills. Show me one match where he actually played well against a better left/right backs.
Just some correction. No offence. Kanu and Ljungberg still havent arrive yet at this time. Ljungberg came the  season while Kanu the season after
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If Ronaldo is a diver how has he won these awards:

UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro Special Young Player of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06
Portuguese Footballer of the Year: 2006–07
UEFA Team of the Year: 2003–2004, 2006–07
FIFPro World XI: 2006–07, 2007–08
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2006–07
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08
PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08
Barclays Player of the Season: 2006–07, 2007–08
Barclays Player of the Month: November–December 2006, January 2008, March 2008
Barclays Golden Boot: 2007–08
Barclays Merit Award: 2007–08
European Golden Shoe: 2007–08
UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007–08
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007–08
FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007–08
Ballon d'Or: 2008
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2008

If you think he won those awards just because of his diving & playacting skills, then is time to question the jury & body that gives these awards. In short no one in this world deserves any award including Henry.

If he had played for Arsenal, would you be calling him a diver or playacting?
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Jan 13 2009, 06:33 PM)
If he had played for Arsenal, would you be calling him a diver or playacting?
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yes he is a diver, playacting as well. always will. u can post something like that at man u's thread. thnx.
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Jan 13 2009, 06:33 PM)
If he had played for Arsenal, would you be calling him a diver or playacting?
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Dun make assumption on something that wont happen.Take example from the real situation. Eboue is one of those that playacting and over reacting at times and I can see a lot of gooners here dun like his playacting and over reaction.So, their answer for your question will probably YES~

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