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TSunderminer
post Jan 3 2009, 09:29 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hey folks, this thread is created initially to house the ranking idea I have for the Malaysian Dota Community along with discussions of community members on ways to improve it.

As this thread is created to boost the competitive Dota scene, the thread naturally added a recommended rules section to make it easier for prospective tournament makers can come in and refer to a standardised set of rules for Dota tournaments. This is to ensure that rules enforced in their tournaments achieved the highest standards of organisation while participations will not need to adapt to ever changing rules which will certainly affect the quality of their game play over time.

The latest venture of this project will be certain short articles of commentary of the scene in general. These will be long posts of whatever caught my mind at that point of time on a range of subjects that hopefully will benefit everyone in the community after reading them.

As this project might impact the community I hope to receive feedback to make the system more complete and acceptable.

Note for Malaysia Dota Rankings:

1. This rankings are first proposed by the Head Marshall of SGNDT My.Gaming Lim to formalize the way seedings are done in LAN tourneys.
2. The Badminton Super Series rankings are used to make tabulation of points easier and encourage participation of tournaments.
3. The rankings will begin from SMM 2008 last 16 (for Malaysian teams only).
4. Tournaments that are covered in this ranking system needs to meet certain standards : Full online coverage, Open in nature, Full bracket updates to ensure ALL teams are covered.
5. This ranking will be based on team names for now. Changes of team name and members needs to be communicated by pm to me for now.
6. The updated rankings will be uploaded after that event is completed


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SUSdharwin
post Jan 3 2009, 02:51 PM

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i dont understand

can explain me more? it means like the future perfomance of a team in local compy..
will get seeded in upcoming compy? or juz for smm?
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yay i got 5046 points .. no v2 tournament cry.gif

too bad never add up point of tournament in Batang Berjuntai SuperPro tournament and Sabak Bernam Dota Championship tournament.


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post Jan 3 2009, 04:00 PM

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1) Tbun-W4si - 6990
2) KingSurf - 6,420
3) DNA SK - 5,900
4) ProGamersArena - 5046
4) Survivor - 5046

is my sum up correct?


Added on January 3, 2009, 6:07 pmbtw what about online tournaments? i think those teams that have beaten top international teams in tournament should get extra points too

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post Jan 3 2009, 06:39 PM

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Lol flizz u aredi counted it out =D
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post Jan 3 2009, 06:40 PM

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u best

u win evo xtc


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post Jan 3 2009, 06:52 PM

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wtf fi3 so fast
Accutate a not 1
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post Jan 3 2009, 06:58 PM

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u suddap winter
TSunderminer
post Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM

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I already got 91 teams in my Excel list which I tabulated based on this 3 events:

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo

The top 10 are:

1. UC_Pro: 11,590 ( 4600+1950+5040 )
2. mKvL (Survivor) : 6,645 ( 1605+5040 )
3. Kingsurf : 6,420 ( 6420 )
4. DNA-SK : 5,900 ( 2300+3600 )
5. PGA : 5,260 ( 220+5040 )
6. Ct-Gov : 4,260 ( 1260+3600 )
7. Fishnet Eternal : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
7. Penang ICE : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
8. M.X : 3,900
9. NGL : 3,600
9. Gf.IMP : 3,600
9. Ftz'RE : 3,600
10.Dacom Vzp: 3,210
10.NSP Freedom: 3,210

The Quas tournament calculations proves tricky as a lot of teams has been jumbled up and there is a fake "Survivor" team in the brackets.
So the team "mKvL" which has 2 Survivor team members in the team at QUAS is taken to be the team that grabs the points and so on to the teams that bears the team's colours to have their points.
As for PGA, there is this Prog@2 at the Quas brackets. With the lack of "PGA" the team , I assume they took up the team's mantle.

The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.

Seems like I cant upload the Excel file here. So, if there are any updates do inform me of the changes. I hope to make all the changes before the Invasion Kepong tourney ends.

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post Jan 3 2009, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(KiLLing-z2 @ Jan 3 2009, 06:39 PM)
Lol flizz u aredi counted it out =D
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QUOTE(BinnYZai @ Jan 3 2009, 06:52 PM)
wtf fi3 so fast
Accutate a not 1
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waahhaahah too free nothing to do but count wrong also tongue.gif tongue.gif

eh borneo finish already so fast? O_O what was the result?


haha darwin no la i mean is team like w4si , dna sk and kingsurf they beat many well known international powerhouse so i think that should count to something tongue.gif
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post Jan 3 2009, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 3 2009, 07:13 PM)
waahhaahah too free nothing to do but count wrong also  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

eh borneo finish already so fast? O_O what was the result?
haha darwin no la i mean is team like w4si , dna sk and kingsurf they beat many well known international powerhouse so i think that should count to something  tongue.gif
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I will repost the tournament outcome here. Looks like it is not covered properly here even though lots of effort has been put in it by the organisers =(

UC.PRO won the last tournament of 2008 !

Overall standings :

1st : UC.PRO
2nd : M.X
3rd : NSP-Freedom
4th : Dacom Vzp
5th : AOE-Human
6th : Excology
7th : Imnotclan
8th : RIP-Noah

Credits goes to Viv , My|Dead and Hansz that made the updates possible.

Replays can be found at the Garena coverage done by My|Dead at his first post here :

Borneo Dota Championship Garena Coverage
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post Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM)
The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.
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Good job, underminer! rclxms.gif
Going "team based" is a good decision but since you defined it as " the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings", how about teams that have totally new members?

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post Jan 3 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(chapree @ Jan 3 2009, 08:28 PM)
Good job, underminer!  rclxms.gif
Going "team based" is a good decision but since you defined it as " the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings", how about teams that have totally new members?
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I would bias towards the player's new team based on number of players from the old team. Say Team A decided to leave its current sponsor of Team A. Their new name Team B will be replacing "Team A" in the rankings unless stated otherwise by an outside settlement which will need to be communicated via pm to me.

But if negotiations can be conducted for both sides to ensure a better settlement. The old team might just be left there for sometime and both parties start afresh with new team names if a settlement cant be agreed. However, after a settlement is made, the new team with its new roster will be assumed from the settlement date onwards. In other words, future "roster" of the team will be based on the new roster from the settlement period onwards.
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post Jan 5 2009, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 3 2009, 10:59 PM)
I would bias towards the player's new team based on number of players from the old team. Say Team A decided to leave its current sponsor of Team A. Their new name Team B will be replacing "Team A" in the rankings unless stated otherwise by an outside settlement which will need to be communicated via pm to me.

But if negotiations can be conducted for both sides to ensure a better settlement. The old team might just be left there for sometime and both parties start afresh with new team names if a settlement cant be agreed. However, after a settlement is made, the new team with its new roster will be assumed from the settlement date onwards. In other words, future "roster" of the team will be based on the new roster from the settlement period onwards.
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Let say a big tournament which have total prize of 20k is going to held in this week.... current top 1 ranking team
"assume as team ABC" only have the leader himself in the team... other 4 was new recruit... while other 4 "former" team ABC make a new team XYZ and join this tournament... so, now team ABC remain as top 1 in ur ranking system or team XYZ ??
I think you know current malaysia dota scene.. almost every tournament will have player jumping from team A to B or other way round.. and they are top team too... whats the solution for this ?? if follow the thing you say.. this ranking system no longer accurate and may happen Strong team vs Strong at early stage. Since the prize pool is 20k.. top 8 will have prize... so it is fair for team XYZ because they should have seeded.. not team ABC.... hope you know what i am trying to say, and it's a problem you need to solve before you run this ranking system...

erm... it's manually count or automatic ?
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Yup , agree with baowen. Players keep changing their team and its not really accurate to count it that way. U CPro's point they win it back by their own? Via this new team? If i am not mistaken , flying spaghetti monster Tbun-w4si win few of the tourney and then 1 of the player run to this new team and they deserves this sum of points ? notworthy.gif
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so the one who go for more tournament basicly will get more points ?
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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 5 2009, 07:22 PM)
Let say a big tournament which have total prize of 20k is going to held in this week.... current top 1 ranking team
"assume as team ABC" only have the leader himself in the team... other 4 was new recruit... while other 4 "former" team ABC make a new team XYZ and join this tournament... so, now team ABC remain as top 1 in ur ranking system or team XYZ ??
I think you know current malaysia dota scene.. almost every tournament will have player jumping from team A to B or other way round.. and they are top team too... whats the solution for this ?? if follow the thing you say.. this ranking system no longer accurate and may happen Strong team vs Strong at early stage. Since the prize pool is 20k.. top 8 will have prize... so it is fair for team XYZ because they should have seeded.. not team ABC.... hope you know what i am trying to say, and it's a problem you need to solve before you run this ranking system...

erm... it's manually count or automatic ?
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The ranking system serves as a guideline for seedings to be done by the organisers. I highly doubt organisers will follow the ranking system 100% in their seedings based on my past experiences.

Referring back to your example, as an organiser of this 20k tournament, I would seed Team XYZ in place of the "former team ABC" as the top ranked team in Malaysia in my brackets due simply to the fact that they have 4 of the last known members of "team ABC" in the rankings. The rankings only will be updated after the tournament is over, as such seedings in important tournament like this should be done with in depth knowledge of the scene in which many here would be ready to share if asked politely.
As the ranking maker, the teams will have the responsibility to approach me via pm for a settlement on the issue with me heavily biased replacing "team XYZ" to "team ABC" in the rankings due to the fact they had more than 3 of their former members in the team. Unless both sides agree to the current status quo with "team XYZ " starting afresh, the default situation will be to replace "team ABC" to "team XYZ" in the rankings and "team ABC starting afresh in the rankings.

The Malaysian Dota Scene is as vibrant as the international one with team loyalties can be bought or traded with the turn of the thought or the start of a petty argument over a single solitary pub-game. The default solution will be the "3 player rule" of the last participating tournament team roster that will be applied. Issues will arise when the "3 player rule" cant be applied such as a split of 2-2 and 5th player retiring. If this happens, the teams will have the responsibility to contact me of a settlement for the ranking system or both teams that start with new names will be started afresh in the rankings while their old team name will be "freezed" in the rankings until former team members of the team decides to reactivate it with the blessings of 3 of the last 5 tournament participating players of that team bearing that name.

The rankings is manually done on an excel sheet in which it will be looked through by independent team managers or players that requested it via pm with their email attached. The forum system did not allow me to upload an Excel file.

The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

The full list of tournaments counted in this ranking to date are :

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo
4. Invasion

I fully understood the risk of making a ranking system in a subjective team game of Dota. That is why I try to involve as many people as I can in making it along the way. This project boils down to be my way to see which teams are the best in Malaysia and hopefully will boost participation of tournaments by encouraging teams to fight for a higher rank in a tangible predictable ranking system.



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i guess what underminer is trying to say is that the ranking system is there for everyone to see. but the organizer of a tourney/event will have only look onto the ranking as a 'method' of seeding the teams. For example if team abc is ranked 1 somehow, and kingsurf is ranked 3rd, the organizer might still give the highest seed to kingsurf.


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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 5 2009, 10:15 PM)

......The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

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What a waste.Lucif3r is too generous notworthy.gif
doh.gif Write so many things,who knows later i was banned from this forum.
Like how team U CDOG meet them at the 1st round.Randomly? lol rclxm9.gif
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Well the problem with players jumping from team to team can be solved by dividing those points among all the 5 players.
What underminer is trying to do is to protect sponsors from losing all the points they built up for their home team, but as far as i know its really difficult to keep players.

Therefore, if you want an accurate point system, the points should be divided by all 5 OR 6 members of the team. However, your excel file will be huge smile.gif In the end we might even get points for 3v3 or 1v1 and we will be able to know who is the TOP dota player in Malaysia thumbup.gif
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it obvious who is malaysia top dota player.
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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 6 2009, 10:34 AM)
it obvious who is malaysia top dota player.
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Top player? Kenchi ma. He can attract so many Star Players to UC Pro. No doubt that he is the top player notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 5 2009, 10:15 PM)
The ranking system serves as a guideline for seedings to be done by the organisers. I highly doubt organisers will follow the ranking system 100% in their seedings based on my past experiences.

Referring back to your example, as an organiser of this 20k tournament, I would seed Team XYZ in place of the "former team ABC" as the top ranked team in Malaysia in my brackets due simply to the fact that they have 4 of the last known members of "team ABC" in the rankings. The rankings only will be updated after the tournament is over, as such seedings in important tournament like this should be done with in depth knowledge of the scene in which many here would be ready to share if asked politely.
As the ranking maker, the teams will have the responsibility to approach me via pm for a settlement on the issue with me heavily biased replacing "team XYZ" to "team ABC" in the rankings due to the fact they had more than 3 of their former members in the team. Unless both sides agree to the current status quo with "team XYZ " starting afresh, the default situation will be to replace "team ABC" to "team XYZ" in the rankings and "team ABC starting afresh in the rankings.

The Malaysian Dota Scene is as vibrant as the international one with team loyalties can be bought or traded with the turn of the thought or the start of a petty argument over a single solitary pub-game. The default solution will be the "3 player rule" of the last participating tournament team roster that will be applied. Issues will arise when the "3 player rule" cant be applied such as a split of 2-2 and 5th player retiring. If this happens, the teams will have the responsibility to contact me of a settlement for the ranking system or both teams that start with new names will be started afresh in the rankings while their old team name will be "freezed" in the rankings until former team members of the team decides to reactivate it with the blessings of 3 of the last 5 tournament participating players of that team bearing that name.

The rankings is manually done on an excel sheet in which it will be looked through by independent team managers or players that requested it via pm with their email attached. The forum system did not allow me to upload an Excel file.

The UC_PRO case has been resolved with UC_PRO Tbun w4si claiming all the points at SMM 2008 with their new name UC_PRO in the rankings with blessings from w4si founder and manager Lucifer.

The full list of tournaments counted in this ranking to date are :

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo
4. Invasion

I fully understood the risk of making a ranking system in a subjective team game of Dota. That is why I try to involve as many people as I can in making it along the way. This project boils down to be my way to see which teams are the best in Malaysia and hopefully will boost participation of tournaments by encouraging teams to fight for a higher rank in a tangible predictable ranking system.
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your solution should be what Odin say.. If your system is run what odin say... no problem would occur.
But if what you say you would seed Team XYZ rather then Team ABC... it would be unfair... as i said... Team ABC held up of the leader and 4 new player... while team XYZ is the former team ABC 4 player.. So, The team leader of ABC should give up his point what he have done so far.. (" he is the team leader") and give the current top 1 ranking to team XYZ, it's so unfair...
for more clear comparison, Team ABC = Team SK which have Loda, and 4 new recruit player, while the team XYZ = bogdan,Halo,Kwom,Akke and etc ( i duno their teammate name sorry ), so would you seed team XYZ instead of team ABC ?? as we know team ABC without Loda is nothing... so ? what would people think if you seed team XYZ but not ABC, will player obey the way you seed them ?? ( assume organizer 100% follow your seeding system )

QUOTE(Odin` @ Jan 6 2009, 09:50 AM)
Well the problem with players jumping from team to team can be solved by dividing those points among all the 5 players.
What underminer is trying to do is to protect sponsors from losing all the points they built up for their home team, but as far as i know its really difficult to keep players.

Therefore, if you want an accurate point system, the points should be divided by all 5 OR 6 members of the team. However, your excel file will be huge smile.gif In the end we might even get points for 3v3 or 1v1 and we will be able to know who is the TOP dota player in Malaysia  thumbup.gif
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It is hard if he using excel to doing this system because done manually would mess up alot of thing when 1 team have 5~6 data need to watch, and if team disband the point count need to summarize again.... it take alot of time...

Honestly say, this system is my Degree project, but i failed to do it.. so i hope some one would actually complete it... it's really benefit to our e-sport community.
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Yeah its always unfair for the team leader and sponsor's when teams break up. However, its impossible to tie all the points to the team sponsor or the leader because some teammates might be unfairly treated or compensated. Hence, they leave the team etc.

Right now its really difficult to to gauge who contribute more to the team so I guess dividing the points equally would be fair.

SK Case Study
Loda's new team might not be seeded only if he replaces his teammates with new players in the dota scene. As for Kenchi's case where he can recruit many famous players their points would be quite high as well and I assume that the new team would be seeded as well.

The 4 members that left and built a new team and got seeded. I feel that they deserve to be seeded as well. Dota is a team game, and you cant say they are nothing without Loda. Obviously Loda would have needed them in many cases and therefore, they have done their part as well.

Conclusion, before a sophisticated system whereby points can be allocated individually according to a players performance during a competition, it is impossible to allocate more points to a player.

In my opinion, whether the point system would work or not is very difficult to be determined and must be tested for a certain period.
OR we can take a sample from previous tourneys and implement this point system and see whether the seeding is accurate enough or not.

By testing the sample, we can optimize the system so that we won't be implementing a system that is totally flawed to start with.



As for the database management, it should be transparent and cross checked by the dota community for its accuracy and integrity.
Maybe the flow should work like this. The organizers of a dota event will be entrusted with the data entry of all participants and point will be awarded at the end of the competition.

Then the "Master File" will be updated by underminer and uploaded on a website or forum for all to see. The reason for this is there will be cross checking and many copies of backup all over the world or Malaysia biggrin.gif
Underminer should keep many backup copy of the database and named according to date e.g. Master File as at 1.1.09

Thats all for now, time to sleep already >< as the topic says since its a discussion I'm just sharing my opinion with the dota community and hopefully some part of it can be useful smile.gif

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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 6 2009, 09:11 PM)
your solution should be what Odin say.. If your system is run what odin say... no problem would occur.
But if what you say you would seed Team XYZ rather then Team ABC... it would be unfair... as i said... Team ABC held up of the leader and 4 new player... while team XYZ is the former team ABC 4 player.. So, The team leader of ABC should give up his point what he have done so far.. (" he is the team leader") and give the current top 1 ranking to team XYZ, it's so unfair...
for more clear comparison, Team ABC = Team SK which have Loda, and 4 new recruit player, while the team XYZ = bogdan,Halo,Kwom,Akke and etc ( i duno their teammate name sorry ), so would you seed team XYZ instead of team ABC ?? as we know team ABC without Loda is nothing... so ? what would people think if you seed team XYZ but not ABC, will player obey the way you seed them ?? ( assume organizer 100% follow your seeding system )
It is hard if he using excel to doing this system because done manually would mess up alot of thing when 1 team have 5~6 data need to watch, and if team disband the point count need to summarize again.... it take alot of time...

Honestly say, this system is my Degree project, but i failed to do it.. so i hope some one would actually complete it... it's really benefit to our e-sport community.
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Your concerns stumbled upon what all Dota rankings inherently will face : the definition of the team itself. My system will certainly run well if its all according to Odin's suggestions. However, as of to date, I already have more than 100 teams in my rankings I got from the 4 tournaments "supported" by this rankings. To apply Odin's suggestions will take energy more than what I am prepared to fork out for this community project.

Back to your example, seeding team XYZ will be taken as purely following the "3 man rule" set in posts before this. It will not be considered unfair if the rules are followed. The same "3 man rule" is used in big tournaments like ESWC to determine the legitimacy of a team so it is in full compliance with International Standards at least.

Say Loda from the former Team SK reformed his new Team SK with 4 new recruits (assuming they are fresh and not part of any other teams before), and his 4 former teammates (Bogdan and co) reformed a team call Team SK2. Unless Loda managed to get the new Team SK2 to allow Team SK to reassume the top spot in the rankings and Team SK2 starts from the bottom ; Team SK2 can legitimately alter the name of the top spot to Team SK2 and assume all former Team SK points and render Loda's new Team SK to start from the beginning at the rankings. If Loda's new team consists of 4 former members of MYM (no.2 in the rankings) Loda's new team will assume MYM's former spot and be number 2 in the rankings with a new name "Team SK".

Loda and Bogdan is assumed to know the rules of play in this rankings. If they take their rankings seriously, they should be well versed of the rankings and knew of all consequences of their actions before making them. For Bogdan and co to leave Loda to dry with their move to form SK2 may seem to be unfair to Loda who worked hard for his former team, but the rules will be followed no matter how inethical it looks from a third party perspective. To the rules, what Bogdan and co did is perfectly legitimate and the top ranking will be given to the majority of players from the old "Team SK" and the new 5 from "Team SK2" will assume the top ranking from now on. Loda will need to labour his way up from the bottom of the rankings with his newly reformed "Team SK".

A better system perhaps the degree project from baowen may have saw fruition in the form of Propowerplay rankings system adopted by Dotasg for the Singaporean Dota Scene. However after careful reading, it too fails to define how a team will be considered in the cases of people mentioned above here. My best guess is they will apply the "3 man rule" as well.

As I stressed from the beginning, this is a community project and all parties who wish to see this rankings work can contribute simply by providing the rankings more information of the teams so that it will reflect the most accurate information. If the teams themselves do not care about their own rankings, who would?

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Just read through Odin's post and totally agree on the part of the Master File and how it should work with the community cross checking it in a transparent manner (which all the amendment suggestions will come in shortly after). Currently looking for ways to create my own site for this and hopefully it will be up by next month.

I am still not convinced that taking in individual nicks as the base of the rankings is the practical way to do. Yes, it will be successful in filtering out any discputes but the cost to implement it will be too high as this project is aimed across all tournaments in Malaysia (including Sabah and Sarawak if the organisers fulfills the criteria set for the rankings to be applied). When individuals themselves will change their nicks from game to game, it will be really a pain to keep track of indviduals. That is why my thoughts for this project is a "team based" one from the very beginning with the "3 man majority" rule playing a huge role in this.

However , I am open to all suggestions to make this ranking acceptable and as flawless as possible before it is truely implemented.

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pls use 122 before talking any longer.

use so many system also,but cant use latest patch? ;p
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create something new is always hard... to maintain the new thing... it would be more hard... i think this phrase is quite famous (sorry for the direct translation, my English standard is low)
"3 man majority" rule is a good definition for a team, but it's still not that accurate as well,
Case study time again.... Kingsurf team(lineup for ESWC Grand final in san jose), if yamateh and papaxiong remain in the kingsurf team, the remain 3 people have create a new team, would you seed the new create team name Kingsurf2 instead of kingsurf ?? because it's fulfill your "3 man majority" rule. Sound weird right?

The suggestion i will give is,
-Team A win Category A tournament, and Team A earn 9200point as a Team point.
-Team A 5 player, earn 9200point as well, 9200/5 = 1840point for each player (if the team have sub, then it divide by 6 player)
-Team A currently have Team point 9200 + Player point 9200 = Total of 18400point.

So when Team A split in the next tournament, Team A still have his Team point and would not affect too much, unless the Team A use the different 5 players.
When it come to the SK team case study, Team A still have 9200 + 1840point = 11040point, the new team B will have 7360point.

At least, the Team A would have some point, even Team A won't be Top 1 now, but at least it will remain at top 3 rank.
This is my suggestion for you to make a better point system. the point need make some adjustment, this part is a bit tricky, my maths was not good, so i think i leave it to you.

When the next tournament is going, Team A ("suppose to be rank 1 in the system"), because of change player, they become rank 3 now, if this tournament they didn't enter quarter-final, then minus their team point as penalty because since they are seeded as rank 3, they should have the "quality" to enter quarter final.



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damn nice ranking system...
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QUOTE(underminer @ Jan 3 2009, 07:00 PM)
I already got 91 teams in my Excel list which I tabulated based on this 3 events:

1. SGNDT last 16
2. QUAS
3. Borneo

The top 10 are:

1. UC_Pro: 11,590 ( 4600+1950+5040 )
2. mKvL (Survivor) : 6,645 ( 1605+5040 )
3. Kingsurf : 6,420 ( 6420 )
4. DNA-SK : 5,900 ( 2300+3600 )
5. PGA : 5,260 ( 220+5040 )
6. Ct-Gov : 4,260 ( 1260+3600 )
7. Fishnet Eternal : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
7. Penang ICE : 4,155 ( 555+3600 )
8. M.X : 3,900
9. NGL : 3,600
9. Gf.IMP : 3,600
9. Ftz'RE : 3,600
10.Dacom Vzp: 3,210
10.NSP Freedom: 3,210

The Quas tournament calculations proves tricky as a lot of teams has been jumbled up and there is a fake "Survivor" team in the brackets.
So the team "mKvL" which has 2 Survivor team members in the team at QUAS is taken to be the team that grabs the points and so on to the teams that bears the team's colours to have their points.
As for PGA, there is this Prog@2 at the Quas brackets. With the lack of "PGA" the team , I assume they took up the team's mantle.

The hardest task I have in maintaining this is the distribution of points to the teams with its various changes being performed and the never-ending team smurfers out there. In this case the rankings are "team based" where in which case of a split happening, the team that has most of its former members will take up the team's position with a new name in the rankings. To maintain it effectively, will need teams which experienced changes and stuffs to pm me directly so I can reflect your team's status directly in the points.

Seems like I cant upload the Excel file here. So, if there are any updates do inform me of the changes. I hope to make all the changes before the Invasion Kepong tourney ends.
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QUOTE(baowen @ Jan 8 2009, 09:18 AM)
create something new is always hard... to maintain the new thing... it would be more hard... i think this phrase is quite famous (sorry for the direct translation, my English standard is low)
"3 man majority" rule is a good definition for a team, but it's still not that accurate as well,
Case study time again.... Kingsurf team(lineup for ESWC Grand final in san jose), if yamateh and papaxiong remain in the kingsurf team, the remain 3 people have create a new team, would you seed the new create team name Kingsurf2 instead of kingsurf ?? because it's fulfill your "3 man majority" rule. Sound weird right?

The suggestion i will give is,
-Team A win Category A tournament, and Team A earn 9200point as a Team point.
-Team A 5 player, earn 9200point as well, 9200/5 = 1840point for each player (if the team have sub, then it divide by 6 player)
-Team A currently have Team point 9200 + Player point 9200 = Total of 18400point.

So when Team A split in the next tournament, Team A still have his Team point and would not affect too much, unless the Team A use the different 5 players.
When it come to the SK team case study, Team A still have 9200 + 1840point = 11040point, the new team B will have 7360point.

At least, the Team A would have some point, even Team A won't be Top 1 now, but at least it will remain at top 3 rank.
This is my suggestion for you to make a better point system. the point need make some adjustment, this part is a bit tricky, my maths was not good, so i think i leave it to you.

When the next tournament is going, Team A ("suppose to be rank 1 in the system"), because of change player, they become rank 3 now, if this tournament they didn't enter quarter-final, then minus their team point as penalty because since they are seeded as rank 3, they should have the "quality" to enter quarter final.
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Noted on that point. The rankings points will now be divided into half; half of the points will consists of the owner of the name (the sponsors and the 3 players of the team); half of it will be divided into 5 for each of the players.

To make it easier to understand I will break it down to a scenario.
Team CC has 1000 points in the rankings. In this case, Team CC has “team points” of 500 and the 5 players each owns “100” points.
In the unfortunate case of players from Team CC left. The default scenario would award the “team points” to the “3 man majority” of the now defunct team. The new Team CC will be with 500+300 = 800 points where the 2 members who left will bring with them 200 points to their new team.

I would also like to add in a new rule regarding the recognition of tournaments to be counted here (thanks Killing-z2 for bringing this up):

“The minimum requirement for tournaments to be recognized and taken into account in this ranking system is whereby the first place prize reaches or exceeds RM 1,000 in cash prize.”

This rule is to distinguish a “private event” and a “tournament”. After a brief survey among the top teams, it is noted that RM1,000 is the agreed threshold where teams will actually take the time to travel to another state for and gather to participate in a tournament. While some might disagree, the fact that the cash prize money is used here as a yardstick is the fairest way to ensure the quality of events taken into account in this ranking system. The inclusion of private events in the ranking system will diminish the quality of this ranking.

To put this new rule in action, the Penang tournament announced un mygarena and the MMU Techtime tournament which will occur this weekend will not be included in this ranking system due to their respective top spot offers RM600 in cash prizes.


Upcoming events that will be taken into the ranking system pending quality of the coverage will be:


1. UTP Electronic Sports Championship (6-8 March 2009, total Prize Money RM2,800, Category C Tournament)
2. MMU GDC E-sport 2009 Grand Finale (6-8 March 2009, Total Prize Money RM2,000, Category C Tournament)
3. Shownet Dota Tournament (14th-15th March 2009, Total Prize Money: RM3,000, Category C tournament)
4. Fushion Dota tournament (11th-12th April 2009 , Total Prize Money: RM14,100, Category A tournament)



Seems like Fushion Dota Tournament will be the first Category A tournament since the SMM Grand Finals. Should be interesting to see which team can take a giant leap in the rankings by winning this one.

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Just a sneak peak,
UC pro will be holding a 4 season a year online tourney with cash prizes up to 2.5k per season called the "IMBALanC Tourney" with support from SMM. Scheduled to start on the 28th of March.

Im not sure if this will be added but i feel it should as it is continuous and it is only for Malaysian teams.

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Would like to know more details about the Category A tournament. Fushion Dota Tournament is held where? Cant seem to find further details on this tournament. Anyone can enlighten me? =)
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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Feb 20 2009, 11:11 PM)
Just a sneak peak,
UC pro will be holding a 4 season a year online tourney with cash prizes up to 2.5k per season called the "IMBALanC Tourney" with support from SMM. Scheduled to start on the 28th of March.

Im not sure if this will be added but i feel it should as it is continuous and it is only for Malaysian teams.
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Unfortunately due to the limitations of online competitions where more often than not, the team with the better host wins, online tournaments will not be taken into account in this ranking system. This is in no way a move to disregard the significance of online tournaments which serves its purpose of nurturing young teams and plays a role in keeping teams in shape for the bigger tournaments. But for the purpose of a ranking system, to allow for non-skill related factors to interfere with the outcome of the game is not fair to the teams ranked.

Changes has been made upon receiving more input from the community. UC.PRO Tbun’ w4si’s SMM points will be returned to team “w4si” upon discussion with the 5 players involved in the tournament.

To keep the rankings up to date, I have retired “mKvL” and “Penang Ice” from the showing of the rankings. The retired teams will be shown in a different tab once the rankings are up on an official site.

The updated rankings as of 4th of January 2009 are as follows:

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wow thanks alot underminer really alot of effort there
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I am currently setting up my own site to house the administration of this rankings to make it more profesional. However, Eryc from Kingsurf offered to host the Excel file which I did my rankings on his site for all to download.

The link is as belows:

http://kingsurf.net/mydotaranking.zip

I will try to get Malaysia's team blogs and sites to host it so that it will spread to a much larger audience. For now, the link above is the latest rankings with rules attached to it. Hopefully more constructive comments can be made after the community scrutinize the rules.
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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Feb 20 2009, 11:11 PM)
Just a sneak peak,
UC pro will be holding a 4 season a year online tourney with cash prizes up to 2.5k per season called the "IMBALanC Tourney" with support from SMM. Scheduled to start on the 28th of March.

Im not sure if this will be added but i feel it should as it is continuous and it is only for Malaysian teams.
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good

so flying spaghetti monster team can join this tourney?

every season champion can join as well or will be barred?


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Why do you have to ask about UC pro in particular when it is being mentioned "malaysian teams"?

Its a sneak peak and the infos will be out once its officially announced. rclxm9.gif

Anyways back to the topic:

IMHO the ranking system wouldn't be fair for teams equally as good as the top 5 teams in Malaysia if they do not have the funds to constantly travel around Malaysia to participate in tourneys as compared to those that are under sponsorship. That would mean their standings will not be justified due to the lack of funds.

As we all know Kingsurf is a great team and they have archive great heights in the DotA scene around the world. Even with latency issues they are still able to pull off great feats against the best in the world, but such achievements alone isn't justified by our Malaysian ranking due to whatever reason it is behind their lack of participation in the local scene.

Whereas with an online tourney, yes there will be some sacrifice that needed to be compensated due to latency issues however at the very least, they still have the chance to strut their stuff and earn points even if they do not make it far.

When it is as frequent as that, the scoring system really makes a different in knowing the overall standard of a team and where they stand at.

Maybe in the future you can consider 2 scoring system, with the additional of an Online system.

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Aiyo so mahfan. If team-based calculations are messed up due to ever-changing player roster, then just implement an individual point system. Every single game, if a player is in a winning team and achieved something, setup a milestones of comparison and distribute the points evenly. Then, a team consists of any Tom, d*** and Harry will able to be seeded accordingly to their personal achieved points.
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I dont think we should put it in terms of 2008 or 2009. My statement was based on Kingsurf's non participation in the tourney's that has been included in the scoring system which includes Quas, Invasion and Borneo with the only exception of the SGNDT. Whereby, it will not justify their actual placing amongst Msia's top teams if their absence due to whatever reasons persist.
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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Mar 3 2009, 12:56 PM)
I dont think we should put it in terms of 2008 or 2009. My statement was based on Kingsurf's non participation in the tourney's that has been included in the scoring system which includes Quas, Invasion and Borneo with the only exception of the SGNDT. Whereby, it will not justify their actual placing amongst Msia's top teams if their absence due to whatever reasons persist.
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There are a million reasons teams chooses not to participate in a LAN event. My task is to gather facts from responsible organizers and present it to the community as subjective as I can make it to be. As history shows, the changes of the official version of Dota has an impact on the teams which holds a cutting edge in terms of strategy. For whatever reason KS chooses not to join the tournament, they forfeited their chance to fight for points in this ranking system and subsequently future seeding options.

Surveying the tournament landscape and the outdated rules that are applied in most of them, I have turned this thread into a tournament administration thread whereby I would recommend rules to be applied in tournaments held everywhere. The original lengthy rules is posted at the first thread and it can be summarized as belows :

1. Map - 6.59c.
2. Can Backdoor.
3. No Item restriction.
4. Items can be shared as long as the game permits.

The above rules are currently used in tournaments at Singapore and all online competitions. Icefrog himself has promised to make improvements in subsequent releases to make it more tournament friendly using these rules as the basis of development.

Will keep on improving the first thread to make it more informative. Do pm me for suggestions of improvements that needs to be made.


For the ranking purposes, I have tallied up points from the recent MMU GDC tournament from the results presented at the UC PRO website and included an update from the Sabah scene in the points. Here are the summaries of it:

1. Irelax 4th place points are all tallied into PGA's points
2. Fishnet's 3rd points are included into the respective player's points.
3. The old team Excology has absolved all 5 players from the former Dacom-Vzp with 3 of the former Excology staying behind making them an 8 man team (sounds strange, will look into it). Therefore based on the ranking calculations, Excology gained an extra 756 points to make them Sabah's top team currently.

The updated rankings pending the UTP tournament brackets are as follows :

The updated rankings are as follows:

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Still awaiting for the brackets for the UTP tournament to be released. Deadline for that will be set to next Monday where the Shownet tournament at Johor should be over by then. Will make this latest rankings official at the first page with or without the UTP results tallied by Monday night.

As usual, any tournaments that satisfies the rankings criteria that should be brought to my attention do drop me a pm with a link in it for me to include it as a back date update. Will make the latest Excel spreadsheet available for download once everything is finalised by Monday night.

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Thanks for your comment, I have sent an invitation to you to talk directly via the forum pm. Do contact me directly to improve the rankings.




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The ranking is based on previous 4 tournaments. I guess is nothing to bias about since they just joined SMM Grand Finals only. Come to conclusion, so I guess only GG.Mix have the rights to receive the points. Why does your ranking appear so many Sarawak team. As i know, the latest LAN tourney of Sarawak. 1st prize for Cash prize is not at least RM1000.
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Updated the rankings to reflect the results for the following tournaments :

1. MMU GDC ©
2. UTP ESC ©
3. Shownet Pontian ©

Many thanks and congratulations to the tournament organizers above for their swift udate of results and the smooth running of the above mentioned tournaments. Eddie (MMU) , TPK (UTP) , Songwet (Shownet) has been fantastic in their updates and cooperation in this update. All 3 tournaments are Category C tournaments based on prize money offered.

Without further delays, here are the latest summary of the rankings as at 21/3/2009.

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We see the top 2 of Malaysia were left unchanged. Discussions with the relevant team members placed Pikachu Gaming’s points into Kingsurf’s, hence Kingsurf is back among the top 3 in Malaysia.

From the peninsular rankings, we see sWg and INC-xiao break into the top 10 following their good showing in the UTP and Shownet tournaments. The Excel sheet will be hosted at a site soon to be downloaded by the community so a full breakdown of the rankings can be viewed.

Upcoming tournaments

1. CyberFushion One Nation Tournament (total prize money RM14,100, Category A tournament):
Dates: 10th - 12th April 2009
Time: Starts 10am Daily
Location: Multimedia University (MMU) Grand Hall Cyberjaya
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/966451

2. Qzone Dota tournament (total prize money RM3,400, Category C tournament) :
Date : 18 & 19 April, 2009 (Saturday & Sunday)
Venue : Qzone Internet Cafe, 23 & 25, Lebuh Lembah Permai 1, 11200 Tg.Bungah, Penang. Nearby TARC COLLEGE
Weblink: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/972737

3. ESWC qualifiers and Grand Finals
24-26 April ESWC East Malaysia Qualifiers, The Spring @ Kuching
9-10 May ESWC Northern Qualifiers, Penang
23-24 May ESWC Central Qualifiers, Subang
30-31 May ESWC 2009 Malaysia Grand Finals @ High Street, 1 Utama
Weblink : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/968571

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i think the rankings are a little bit bias because a lot tourneys in malaysia don't allow kingsurf to join while dna.sk.xlo, flying spaghetti monster, ice, survivor and the such keeps joining those tourneys.
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QUOTE(crashoverride @ Mar 29 2009, 07:08 PM)
i think the rankings are a little bit bias because a lot tourneys in malaysia don't allow kingsurf to join while dna.sk.xlo, flying spaghetti monster, ice, survivor and the such keeps joining those tourneys.
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All tournaments taken into account are open tournaments which by default allows all teams to join. The tournaments that are counted in this ranking which Kingsurf is not part off is due to the fact that Kingsurf chooses not to participate rather than the tournament organisers banning them.

Tournaments which bans certain teams from participating (state qualifiers otherwise) will be considered "private events" and will not be taken into account in this ranking.

Kingsurf manager Eryc has been kind enough to house the latest Excel sheet of the ranking system as at 21/3/2009. The community can download them from here (copy and paste to your browser and the download should start) :

www.kingsurf.net/mydotarank2.xls


Added on April 18, 2009, 11:15 amTaking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Cyber Fushion event which is categorize as an "A" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 17 April 2009.


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Gonna run soon, doing a brief summary before a more lengthy one tonight.

1. UC.PRO changed their name to Mineski.Tbun following a change in sponsors and hence will carry that name from now on.
2. With the lack of tournaments at the East Malaysia region (or at least the lack of qualified tournaments communicated to me) we see for the first time, all East Malaysian teams dropped out of the top 10.
3. Despite Kingsurf's seemingly invincible form at Cyber Fushion clinching first place, Excello held strong retaining top spot based on the strength of past performances. But with their main player DabeliuTeeF heading to Australia furthering his studies, the competitiveness of the team will certainly suffer.
4. Any changes of team details or players should be communicated to me 1 week from the initial posting of this post (18 April 2009, 11 am). After the cut-off date is over (25 April 11 am), no amendments for period before Cyber Fushion will be entertained. The detailed Excel sheet will be posted up soon.

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wow... a lot of update, nice job underminer
seems that a bit hard for you, have to do manually.
The ideal of malaysia dota ranking system is, can come up with a system which can count the point automatically once the organizer/administrator upload the result of the tournament. The website should contain, auto ranking system + personal&team profile(like mym website), any team changes their roster have to inform the system administration ( which is underminer ) to make sure the point didn't go to wrong person/team. player have to register an account in the website in order to let the system able to keep track on you, team/player who didn't create/register their "own ass" in the system are counted as "give up" in this ranking system, which may result you didn't enjoy the benefit of seeding. ( before this, need organizer recognize this ranking system as their main referral for generating bracket )

there still a lot thing can be done, like auto generating the bracket for organizer, schedule the tournament for the organizer. make until organizer just sponser prize money + pc + place, while the system do the rest. ( all the admin stuff, for example: registration, bracket, schedule all done by the system. ).

this will create less conflict, like whenever player mention that didn't see their name/team on the list, it might be they didn't create an account at the website at all ( or force player have to create an account in the website in order to participate the tournament.)

Thank for reading all these bullshit, because i know it quite hard to happen when it involve in money smile.gif
RM10k should be sufficient to setup the system + webhosting + encourage player to create profile in the website...... for example icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(revivar @ Mar 3 2009, 04:43 AM)
Aiyo so mahfan. If team-based calculations are messed up due to ever-changing player roster, then just implement an individual point system. Every single game, if a player is in a winning team and achieved something, setup a milestones of comparison and distribute the points evenly. Then, a team consists of any Tom, d*** and Harry will able to be seeded accordingly to their personal achieved points.
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To avoid sponser team gain nothing at all when the team disband, for example, if follow your method, current kingsurf 5 player leave kingsurf sponser and create a new team call underminer team. underminer team will counted as rank no.3 now and kingsurf team will treated as "new" team if they join the upcoming tourney with different 5 player. The method where underminer using is to protect player and team itself, if you got gone through the previous post, you should know about it.


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Taking account performance of teams in the recently concluded Qzone Dota Tournament which is categorize as a "C" grade tournament, here are the latest summary of rankings as at 26 April 2009.


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A few things to note.

1. Due to the "mercenary" nature of some of the teams whether due to inavailability of certain members for an event or the constant clan hopping exercise, in the absence of detailed information from the players themselves, the points gathered will be granted to the team name in reference to the "key" person in it such as the leader. A good example of this will be INC'Xiao whereby the rosters of their last 2-3 tourneys were never fixed for reasons stated above. However, the leader of the team seems to be the same person carrying the INC tag to tournaments and did relatively well along the way. The points accumulated will be tabulated into the team INC'Xiao unless detailed information of movements of the members of the team is provided to me via pm and the points will be allocated accordingly.

2. Excello maintained top spot in the rankings despite their shock quarterfinal exit to Ftz'Btw at Qzone. However the champion Mineski.Tbun only managed to leap frog Kingsurf to 2nd place due to the robustness of past performance by Excello. With their key player DabeliuTeeF left the team to further his studies in Australia, the team's response to this will be crucial in maintaining the top spot.

3. Kingsurf again paying a tournament a skip after their emphatic win at CyberFusion 3 weeks ago due to logistics issues. Looks like only Grade "A" tournaments will be sufficient to attract them to tournaments to garner points for the rankings.

4. The finalists of this tournament, Qzone 1 managed to claw its way up to 13th in the rankings. With former Ks and w4si player Mikebz at the helm of the team, it will be interesting to see how far can they go. The scratch team of INC'Xiao which consists of Seanz, Mushi , Nettelian and Dharwin managed to clinch 3rd place with only Qzone 1 managed to prevent an "all outsider" final. With this performance, INC'Xiao managed to achieved 6th place in the rankings making them one of the most active teams on LAN right now.

5. 3 Ftz-sponsored teams managed to reach the last 8 of the tournament with 1 team (Ftz'Btw) managed to clinch 4th place. Looks like Ftz is serious in getting back into the pro scene. All 3 teams showing robust performance against their much fancied opponents. Ftz'St putting up a few wipe outs of Qzone 1, even taking both mid raxes before going down in a 1 hour 20 min battle in the quarterfinals. Ftz'RE was unlucky facing arguably the best team consists of 5 Malaysians right now in the quarterfinal but managed to give them a scare before crashing out. With more support from their sponsors, I am sure this 3 teams will go far.


Article Time !

The observation: We face a serious problem. With the exception of the top 3, our teams failed to plan beyond the next tournament in terms of roster management. Where every team is most likely 1 disagreement away from disbanding and with it all the work and chemistry trained up weeks or even months before goes down the drain in favour of more illustrious players from reputation for that 1 tournament before disbanding again in search of better prospects.

The danger : With 2 Asian teams pwning everyone at ESWC and Ks.International redefining the online scene over the past few months, many "national based" teams were set up to counter this and all has set their sights at SMM this year. The best American team Team Evil Geniuses has set their sights to come to Malaysia and win it. So does Team Ravens, the best Danish team led by Maelk, long considered the best leader and drafter in the history of competitive Dota has openly said that SMM is their target this year. Ks International with their all international lineup will surely grace the tournament and the Kuroky fanboys from all over the world (including within Malaysia) will surely want him to win it. Ah and the few ambitious chinese teams who has started to believe that they can come to South East Asia and win every Dota tournament that they join.

The complication : Our teams are continuing the same trend that led to the embarrassment in SMM 2008. Where wishful thinking of miracles with the changing of 1 or 2 players in the team will lead to increase in skills overnight. "IT WONT!!"
Arguably the top 5 of Malaysia at that time : Kingsurf , w4si , Ct-GOV , DNA-SK and PGA; how many folks here know that 4 of them has roster changes as recently as 1 day before the Grand Finals began? To put it into perpective, it made a team like PGA which were formed just 1 day before V2 begins looks strong just by getting by with individual talent and more insightful drafting (no offence Flizardo). Shows how teamwork was completely absent in our top teams just before SMM and the results of the Grand Finals were the best slap in our faces. To refresh everyone's memory, the fate of our nation's pride somehow got crushed by a certain player's personal problem. With all the hardwork our teams put months before the event, how did we crash so low to let something like this happen is really beyond me.

Solution : Perhaps its our collective education that made us stuck with this kind of planning levels. But I believe showing the scene the dangers and complications as stated above may somehow change the outlook of what we were facing and be more professional in their approach of big decisions within the team.


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underminer may i ask the delova tourney wil update my team ranking ma =.=?InC-x|aO
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The latest Dealova tournament will not be updated into the rankings as:

1. Its first placing do not meet the requirements of at least RM1,000 in cash prizes.

2. There were certain individuals / teams being denied participation by the organisers.

Any 1 of the above criteria listed will be sufficient to rank this event as a "private event" and "private events" will not be taken into account in the rankings system.

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The latest Dealova tournament will not be updated into the rankings as:

1. Its first placing do not meet the requirements of at least RM1,000 in cash prizes.

2. There were certain individuals / teams being denied participation by the organisers.

Any 1 of the above criteria listed will be sufficient to rank this event as a "private event" and "private events" will not be taken into account in the rankings system.
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we didnt let some team join due to player request..understand?
u ask those player who r so scared of certain team.
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A happening week of tournaments I noticed. Here are the summary of tournaments that will be taken into account for the rankings after the weekend of tournament is over.

1. SMM Melaka Qualifiers @ Melaka (B)

SGNDT 2009 Tournament Link

2. The OneTJ DotA Competition 2009 @ Sarawak ( C )

One TJ Tournament Link


3. Bornero Dota Tournament 2009 @ Sabah ( C )

Borneo Dota Tournament Link

Good luck to all participants.


Added on June 3, 2009, 10:43 pmTaking into account the results of the OneTJ Dota tournament held in Kuching and Borneo Dota tournament held in Kota Kinabalu, the rankings were updated to reflect the results. Non of the teams managed to break into the top 10 but Excology and Sbm-Mobile are in 11th and 12th spot before the SMM Melaka Qualifiers results are taken into account.

Without further adue, this is the updated rankings for East Malaysia.

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Excology
2. Sbm-Mobile
3. M.X.
4. NERD
5. Gizmo.Mix
6. RevelationZ
7. cL.Hitz
8. cL.CRZ
9. ASP
9. MG
9. Aoe-Ult
9. Gs (Sarawak)
9. p2p.Gaming
9. Circus
9. x|ao (Sarawak)

Sbm-Mobile was formerly known as NSP-Freedom. I retired a few teams deemed inactive from East Malaysia and included for the first time Sarawak teams into the rankings following the success of the OneTJ Dota Tournament. The news clips there actually shown that the media was very much involved in the event. Perhaps tournaments in West Malaysia should consider doing the same.

The SMM Melaka Results will be taken into account after certain requirements are fulfilled by the organisers. These has been communicated to them and it should not take long before we can see an updated list.

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Thanks for the updates of the rankings.
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If im not mistaken, i think RV beat every teams except GGMIX.. whats with the boo-ing? lol...
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If im not mistaken, i think RV beat every teams except GGMIX.. whats with the boo-ing? lol...
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The standard of East Msia is too noob.
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As 6.60 was released few days back, folks around the competitive scene has been pretty concerned on the map version to use for competitive Dota.

To clear the air, the new version and its subsequent wont be used for competitive Dota until it is fully tested to be capable of sustaining league play.

So, the map version of Dota for competitive play will remain 6.59d on War3 version 1.23 in Malaysia for the following SMM stage (s) and the tournaments before that:

•Pahang: July 4th – 5th

Updates to come after the completion of each SMM Qualifying Stage.
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i got a question here about the backdooring rules.
Dreamhack doesnt allow players to backdoor unless got creeps inside the base. I think msia should follow dreamhack's rules to avoid the game becomes uglier by playing backdoor.
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QUOTE(CrazyGameR @ Jun 13 2009, 12:46 PM)
i got a question here about the backdooring rules.
Dreamhack doesnt allow players to backdoor unless got creeps inside the base. I think msia should follow dreamhack's rules to avoid the game becomes uglier by playing backdoor.
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backdoor is an art. it is very beautiful just like mona lisa painting
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Backdoring forms a lot of present draft strategies !!
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backdoor good for gays like winter n flizardo cause they like main belakang
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QUOTE(dharwin @ Jun 13 2009, 06:43 PM)
backdoor good for gays like winter n flizardo cause they like main belakang
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QUOTE(CrazyGameR @ Jun 13 2009, 12:46 PM)
i got a question here about the backdooring rules.
Dreamhack doesnt allow players to backdoor unless got creeps inside the base. I think msia should follow dreamhack's rules to avoid the game becomes uglier by playing backdoor.
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Why must we follow dreamhack? Malaysia dota should have our own way to play our game. Why cant they follow us then? smile.gif
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Jun 14 2009, 10:36 AM)
Backdooring in other words is to make sure the game ends without dragging the game too much. It is an option for both sides when it comes to the last few towers. Yes, the art of tactics.
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who cares bout ethics?

this is gaming fyi..
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It's a rule so it's ethical enough. No reasons to debate something that even the worldwide DotA teams agreed for the play.
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worldwide???? all the foreign tournaments are not allow backdooring. it's just stupid msian's rules. kampung's rules. kampung's champ happy.gif. stupid. common for msians cz they were outdated. since foreign players all using 1.23 for frozen throne,but msians still using 1.21. from here can find out tat msia's players are too outdated. no offense. i prefer to watch longer match with nice exciting teamfight etc than a backdooring game. it's kind of wasting time and boring.

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vendetta pls talk facts..

dun just murmur ur words..


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i think backdooring shud not be allowed since the tp doesnt add 99999 armors edi... the glyph cds too long..
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Just like our past elections, the Malaysian Dota Scene experienced a tsunami of changes prior to the ACG qualifiers. As such the rankings will experience certain changes to reflect this.

First came a scene news, Deejaysharky, an active player in clan war rooms has joined our rankings chart topper INC.Excello. As Deejaysharky was not part of any team before, his addition to INC.Excello will not be considered a transfer, as such no movement of points will be made to the team.

To start off, a summary will be made to team changes since the last update.

1. Kingsurf Gaming adds Chuan, recalls Xiaogui and Sakura from temporary inactive status in preparation for ACG qualifiers.
2. Mineski lost Chuan, Brought in Owspia and XiaoXiaoFong from INC’Xiao to reinforce the team ahead of the ACG qualifiers.
3. INC’Xiao will be renamed INC for now.
4. With most of its members inactive and 2 of its most active players leaving the team, Cybertime GOV officially retires, leaving behind the team and its accumulated ranking points for a new team led by Mushi and Winter.
5. Cybertime GOV will be renamed Cybertime. The points of Mushi’s Cyberfusion team will be included into Cybertime.
6. Cybertime absorbed SilverCross from Fishnet.MU.
7. Fishnet the team got another sponsor and will be known as Fishnet.MU from now. They absorbed 2 players of the former GOV team, making them eligible for Hiphop and Syelaine’s portion of the points.


All ranking points changes due to the roster amendments has been taken up accordingly as per before the SMM Penang and after the SMM Negeri Sembilan tournament.

The SMM Penang Tournament has also been taken up into the rankings where we see a few newcomers to the scene shocking everyone with some impressive results.

Some name changes has been noted.

Ftz’RE > FTZ Asia Gaming
Ftz’BTW > FTZ EP
FTZ’ ST > EMZ

A summary of the top ten in Peninsular Malaysia after the changes are as follows:

Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. Fishnet.MU
5. Irelax
6. Cybertime
7. INC
8. Sino
9. VA'w4s|
10. HXG.oNs

The latest Excel Sheet with all the updates as per 17/6/2009 has been uploaded at the first post for all to download. Detail calculations of the rankings are all there. Notify me via pm for any amendments.

That’s all for now, the next tournament that will be taken into account will be The Mines Tournament.

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An update to the rankings has been made following the results of The Mines, ACG Malaysia Qualifiers and SMM Pahang recently.

The Rankings summary is as follows :

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.Gold
5. Cybertime.MU
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Fishnet Junior

The latest Rankings Excel sheet is available for download at the first thread.

Will try to do a writeup following the events of ACG soon. Hopefully it will provide some insights for our next representative to push for the Gold Medal in the future.
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btw, penang say thanks is not emz. =) emz is form by darkz. st is remain the shakugan and adrian they all.
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Any updates for the ranking?
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ks 3rd ?
inc 1st ?
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The rankings has been updated to take into account 3 tournaments :

1. Rakan Muda E-Gig (category C tournament)
2. SMM Sabah (category B tournament)
3. Surfer Dota Tournament (category C tournament)

And here are the update summary of the rankings:

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. MU.Gold.Mineski
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.BattleLAN
5. Cybertime
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Cybertime 2

Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Mineski.Tbun
3. Kingsurf Gaming
4. MU.Gold
5. Cybertime.MU
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. INC
9. Sino
10. Cybertime 2

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Empire-VZP-Freedom
2. Excology
3. AOE.911
4. NERD
5. Goat
6. QQNet.WTF
7. Izone
8. EMP-Immortal
9. Gizmo.Mix
10. RevelationZ

Not much changes in the rankings of Peninsular teams except the fact that the recently active Cybertime 2 team managed to break into the top 10 for the first time raking in much points after getting 2nd at the SMM Pahang tournament.

After SMM Sabah, Sabah teams seems to return to dominate the East Malaysia rankings. Empire-VZP-Freedom (formerly known as NSP-Freedom / SBM Mobile) return as the best in East Malaysia after their victory at SMM Sabah, dethroning Excology which did not manage to qualify from the event. AOE.911 (formerly known as AOE-ULT and AOE Human) completes the top 3 in the rankings.

The softcopies of the ranking calculations dated 21 July 2009 is available for download by tonight after some adjustments made.

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underminer how come vaw4si in the list for such a long time i didnt see them winning any compy except for smm pahang other tourney all lose 1st round
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With the Asian Dota Championships Qualifiers in Malaysia reaching its conclusion when the final match-up between Cybertime and INC.Excello being played out on Tuesday, 28 July 2009, I am officially recommending a change of map to 6.61b for all local tournaments to reflect the changes made in the International Scene.

The recommended rule set has been updated in the front post. There is a new SMM rule set for Local LAN tourneys taking into account practical situations in the setup of Cybercafes nowadays. Will confirm with the Marshals that is implementing it and update it in a separate rule.

Upcoming sanctioned tournaments for the rankings depending on the quality of tournament reporting made:

1.
MOIS CyberCafe Enterprise DotA-AllStars Tournament
Date: 1st,2nd of Aug 2009
Venue: Mois CyberCafe Enterprise (3150,Jalan Mahsuri 2/J Taman Mahsuri 09400 Padang Serai,Kedah.)
Category B tournament (Total Prize Money: RM8,250)
Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1104923

2.
MMU ConvoFest LAN Games Competition 2009
Date: 1st and 2nd of August
Venue: MMU Cyberjaya FIT Lab
Category C tournament (Total Prize Money: RM2,400)
Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1082984

3.
Alladin Competition
Date : 8th, 9th August 2009
Venue : Alladin Net Cafe(Near Leisure Mall)
Category C tournament (Total Prize Money: RM4,500
Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1098981

4.
NTECH BUKIT MERTAJAM DOTA TOURNAMENT2009
Date : 23 August 2009(SUNDAY)
Venue: 3216, TAMAN TAMPOI INDAH BUKIT MERTAJAM 14000 PULAU PINANG
Category B tournament (Total Prize Money: RM5,300)
Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1099293

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  underminer how come vaw4si in the list for such a long time i didnt see them winning any compy except for smm pahang other tourney all lose 1st round


In response to the user above, teams are not removed from the roster until they are deemed disbanded or inactive. In which case both does not suit the criteria of the team you are enquiring about. The team carries on with a different roster than when they first started but the team itself has not been inactive and is in constant with me through pm on their team movements, so there is no reason for them to be removed from the list.

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ouh means their point based on w4si la oooo
aiya my hand so pain hard to type cause cheong ar..aiyoo!!
hmm no wonder they pick axe 1st pick n put Kunka solo mid fite sf n lose..so suck
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@@...u mean va-w4s| sux??/
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From various sources, the Mois tournament could be a fake tournament. Shows the popularity of the game when people trying to fake a tournament using its name for whatever reason they like.

For scene news, Cybertime won the right for to form a roster of 10 (compulsory in the rules) for Asian Dota Championships 2009 organised by G-arena. Beating the ACG 1st runner-up team INC-Excello 2-0 in convincing fashion in the finals, Cybertime will now proceed to form their roster of 10 from players in the scene.

Playdota.com ADC MY Final Match Report with replays

With the 3+2 rule in place, Cybertime will be able to recruit foreign nationals into the Team Malaysia roster provided no more than 2 of them plays in each of their matches in the regular season. But with the wealth of Dota talent here in Malaysia, it might not be necessary. Will they be able to pick wisely to prevent the best players from plying their trade with an overseas team for this ADC season by virtue of this 3+2 rule ( I heard the India representative team Error is very interested in acquiring Ks'Yamateh's services for the course of the season)? Or will they allow a "Dota Brain Drain" happen in front of our eyes? Lets wait for the confirmed roster to be out and judge for ourselves.


The thread is supposed to includes Dota themed articles that I have written in my spare time. In mu opinion, the lack of articles for Dota in general is kind of a let down. To compensate for my lack of output, I will post up certain articles worthy of your time that caught my eye relating to Dota for your reading pleasure in this thread.

The first recommended article is written by Ant, one of the founders of Zenith that silently dominates the Singapore and Asian Dota Scene before the rise of Kingsurf and Xcn. In this article, he discussed in depth the "levelling of players" as you progress in the skill tree of Dota. An insightful read with lots of interesting anecdotes in game that players generally can relate to ( I know I can ).

Player Levelling by Zenith^ANT

Credits to www.gameworkssg.com for the article link.

Quotes from the article:


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In my line of work (play, whatever), I have noticed a certain skill progression that logically players will go through when they enter competitive play. Perhaps the most illogical thing that I'm going to do in this article, is classify players into different levels, of which a higher level denotes a higher skill level.

Most players advance to a certain level, then get stuck there, not willing to try out new things or knowing what to improve. Myself, these progression of levels have been compiled from personal experience, and then from looking at other better players (for the levels I think I haven't reached yet).


So, what level are you?

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3 days ago, Malaysia beat Vietnam 5-0 in Nation Wars.

Refer to PlayDota or SpotGamers for further information.

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Malaysia?? Wrong ler.Should say KS because only they play alone that competition by winning straight 5 games.So,their rank should be higher =)
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Its been long since the last update, apologize for that.

The rankings has been updated to take into account :

1. MMU Convofest Dota tournament (category C tournament)


And here are the update summary of the rankings:

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Keydone.MU
3. Kingsurf
4. MU.BattleLAN
5. Cybertime 1
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. Cybertime 2
10. INC

Rankings of East Malaysia remains unchanged.

The full Excel file will be uploaded after this weekend's tournaments has been concluded :

1. SMM Sarawak Qualifiers (Category B Tournament)
2. Ntech Bukit Mertajam Dota tournament 2009 (Category B Tournament)




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wow. can imagine didi really appear here.. ^^
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Doesn't this being copied from Dust-Off World Rankings ? lol
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Hey guys, here come another update to the rankings covering the tournaments as follows:

1. SMM Sarawak (B)
2. Ntech Bukit Mertajam (B)
3. SMM Johor (B)

As usual here is the rankings summary :

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MU.Gold.Mineski has changed its name to Keydone.MU (rank 2)

Black Humour combined with Wet Risers to become Wet Risers (rank 23) (thanks Izzat for updating me on this)

EMP-Immortal’s title has been changed to Team 8 (rank 17) and won 1st runners-up if SMM Sarawak.

Fishnet.Dominius (rank 13) has been declared inactive as 2 of their players switched to Team Survivor(rank 14) which won SMM Sarawak.

Kingsurf Gaming’s title has been updated to Kingsurf (rank 3) following their separation with Eryc and the change of management.

Cybertime 1 our Asia Dota Championship 3 nation representative successfully broke into the top 4 of the rankings for the first time.

INC.Excello maintained their long held dominance at the top of the rankings table. They managed to beat Kingsurf, Cybertime and Ftz Asia Gaming in the recent Ntech Dota Tournament held at Bukit Mertajam, further stamping their mark as the rankings’ number 1 team.

For the first time since the rankings started, the top 30 teams of Malaysia can be differentiated with the distinction of points. Please download the latest copy dated 4 September 2009 for the full details of the rankings.

As always, please drop me a pm for updates of the rankings’ information.

This post has been edited by underminer: Sep 4 2009, 03:15 PM
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Malaysia’s representative for the Asian Dota Championships, Cybertime, has enjoyed great success so far. This write up by Underminer will chart their progress to date, with crucial incidents reported and his expert comments on how they approached each match. A must read for any aspiring Dota clans who wish to play competitively.

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Round 1

The first game of ADC sprang a surprise when Cybertime lost a game to the Indian team- Error. A lack of concern towards the quality of the connection used to play was the cause of their downfall. The game 1 loss gave them a shaky start to the campaign.
Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to teams playing online in the future where the quality of the connection you use is equally if not as important as the skills you possess.

Link for summary of Round 1 results and summary video of play day 1 courtesy of mymym.com:

http://www.mymym.com/en/coverage/561/4.html


Please read the rest of the article here :

Spotgamers
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Following the updates from SMM, the official map for all tournaments will be switched to 6.63 from now.

The Dota rankings will be updated after the conclusion of SMM Kedah this weekend.

Thanks
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underminer, do you mind change the name of GL to fGm?
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hi underminer... me phillips ..still remember me..tat guy go WCG wit mike n canonzai one..... can giv me ur number??? i wan ask u smt
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I apologise for the long delay in updating the rankings. Tried my hand in team management in a team most would be familiar by now (hint : ranked 24). However, here come another update to the rankings covering the tournaments as follows:

1. SMM Perak (B)
2. SMM Kedah (B)
3. SMM Selangor (from semi onwards) (B)
4. SMM KL (from last 16 onwards) (B)
5. Neocraft Sabah Tournament ( C )

As usual here is the rankings summary :

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Notes :

1. Misrepresentation could occur in the SMM Selangor results as only the semi finals results appeared.

2. Mineski’s win is keyed as 3 person victory in Keydone.MU as Mineski has 2 foreigners in their winning team.

3. Cybertime 2 has been renamed Cybertime-Fishnet.

4. Keydone.MU is officially rated as inactive as 2 members (Xigz and Xtinct) has switched to Cybertime and 1 (Owspia) has switched to Cybertime-Fishnet. The rankings has been updated accordingly. The remaining points for its players will be distributed once their players found their team.

5. Fishnet Dominius’ team points has been combined into Cybertime-Fishnet to reflect the merging of both teams (Redsun joining up and the sponsorship of the team is shared). 4 player’s portion of the points (except Redsun’s) has been removed to reflect the real situation

6. 2 players of INC’s portion of the points has been transferred into Cybertime-Fishnet to reflect Dav’s and Garfield’s transfer.

7. GizmoMix, the top team of Sarawak has its name updated to Idol.Gizmo. AOE.911 has been renamed A.O.E.

8. MU.BattleLAN and Fishnet Dominius has been rated as inactive until further notice due to being inactive and the latter having merged with Cybertime-Fishnet.


This should be it, if there are any changes that needs to be made, do pm me for an update. Until then, the softcopy of the latest rankings should be at the front page for download.

Some thoughts on the latest rankings later...
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i cant believe amazone can be top 10
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i cant believe amazone can be top 10
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So sad dharwin, u got no chance to win me.~ no bi sure unbelievable lor
kyo say find him train anytime
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An update post SMM2009 where the Chinese teams came dominating again (!@#$%^).
However, here comes another update to the rankings covering the tournaments as follows:

1. Genting CyberWorld Dota Championships ©
2. OceanNet Dota Tournament ©
3. SMM Grand National Dota Tournament 2009 (A)

As usual, here is the rankings summary

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Ftz-Asia Gaming
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. Empire-VZP-Freedom
10. INC'Xiao

Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Ftz-Asia Gaming
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. INC'Xiao
10. Ewave Leap Gaming

Top 10 East Malaysia:

1. Empire-VZP-Freedom
2. Empire Team 8
3, GG.MIX
4. A.O.E.
5. Excology
6. Quod
7. NERD
8. DINO
9. cL*Crz
10. cL*Hitz

Notes:

1. KeydoneMU’s points for Genting is transferred to divided into 5 parts where W|nter gets a portion, Kingsurf gets 3 portions (Sakura, Chuan and XiaoXiaoFong) and the Singaporean in the team (which has no effect on the rankings as he does not falls into the “Malaysia Team” definition.

2. Which comes to a new rule in the rankings: whereby the points obtained from a scratch team will be divided equally among the 5 players and the points will belong the team the players’ belong at the time of the tournament or the first team (subject to the “Malaysia Team” criteria) the player joined after points were obtained.

3. SMM Grand Finals 2009 (SGNDT 2009) provides a challenge to the rankings. To make calculations easier, the following standards has been used.
i) Teams who reached in the qualifiers group stage will be granted “33-64” points of 880
ii) Teams who reached the last 40 group strage will be granted “17-32” points of 2,220
iii) Teams who reached the last 16 playoffs stage will be granted “9-16” points of 3,600
iv) The rest of the rankings points calculations will be as per the rules.

4. NGL came out of retirement from their participation of SGNDT 2009.

5. W|nter’s points for Genting (1,950/5 = 390) and SGNDT (3,600/5 = 720) will be delayed until confirmation of his whereabouts in a new team.

6. Sharky’s points for SGNDT 2009 (3600/5= 720) will be delayed until confirmation of his whereabouts in a new team.

7. Cybertime-Fishnet title has been changed to Fishnet following the settlement of sponsor issues.

8. Adjustments has been made following Chuan’s transfer to Cybertime from Kingsurf and Xiaoxiaofong’s transfer to Kingsurf. Xiaoxiaofong’s points from Keydone.MU (3,947), Genting tournament (1,950/5 = 390) and SGNDT 2009 (3600/5 = 720) has been transferred to Kingsurf in this adjustment


The soft copy of the calculations has been uploaded at the first page.

Added a "Recommended LAN Rules" replacing the old one which i renamed "Recommended Online Rules" as a basis for discussion. For your information, the new LAN rules has been used in the recent SGNDT 2009 after a high level discussion by the Marshals in charge. The most significant application of this new rule is the elimination of CH by INC Excello due them exceeding the 45 min rule.

So what do the community thinks about this new rule, hopefully there will be a good discussion here on and perhaps some improvements can be made.

This post has been edited by underminer: Dec 7 2009, 10:44 PM
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Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Irelax
6. Ftz-Asia Gaming
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. INC
10. Ewave Leap Gaming

Ftz Asia Gaming shld be top 5 in the peninsular ranking. Because the Malaysia ranking Ftz are in top 5. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ftz.Chenizace @ Dec 7 2009, 01:55 AM)
Top 10 Peninsular:

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Irelax
6. Ftz-Asia Gaming
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. INC
10. Ewave Leap Gaming

Ftz Asia Gaming shld be top 5 in the peninsular ranking. Because the Malaysia ranking Ftz are in top 5. smile.gif
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Ftz r top 5...but the score stil lose fishnet n irx ^^
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If the score lose fishnet and irx how come in the Malaysia ranking it was top 5? @@

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Ftz-Asia Gaming
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. Empire-VZP-Freedom
10. INC'Xiao

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QUOTE(Ftz.Chenizace @ Dec 7 2009, 08:58 PM)
If the score lose fishnet and irx how come in the Malaysia ranking it was top 5? @@

Top 10 Malaysia :

1. INC.Excello
2. Cybertime
3. Kingsurf
4. Fishnet
5. Ftz-Asia Gaming
6. Irelax
7. VA'w4s|
8. Sino
9. Empire-VZP-Freedom
10. INC'Xiao
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Seems like China once again shown us that the way to play "winning" Dota is to just:

1. Play it vigorously
2. Find out what is imba
3. Train it in trainings
4. Abuse it in tournaments.
5. Teams can kill us like shit (most Malaysian teams would as thats how they are bred since... forever???), but we still own them with pure buggy strats in that version buahahahaha!!!)

For SMM 2008, its SA, Tinker and Visage.

For SMM 2009, its 3 hero farm/push 3 lanes and 2 super under-level heroes roaming+placing wards all game. Kingsurf even mentioned in their first loss against FTD, both teams never have 1 5v5 battle whole game and Ks just lost to pure pushing power. Impressive eh?

But honestly, one of the reasons that I love Malaysian Dota is the way it is played since the Paulyan era : ganks and kills. The intensity of each top game is pure entertainment no matter the version. Our culture of playing Dota ensures that our top teams mastered the gank and kill formula to produce good replays even in Local LAN tournaments. To change to "winning style Dota" in the recent versions will most certainly take off the fun of this.

However, with an article by 1 of the Ehome members entitled "Asian Dota Owns the World, China Dota Owns Asia" released the day SMM concluded, perspective changes dramatically. The link : http://bbs.sgamer.com/html/Post_322567.html

So, what you guy think? Should teams adopt the "winning but potentially" boring style? or hold on to our own style and "hope" we can outlast the inherent buggy strats from the Chinese ?

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Our nation's Asian Dota Championship representative Cybertime has qualified themselves into the Best-of-5 Grand Finals of the Asian Dota Championships III, equaling Kingsurf's feat at ADC I , 2 years back.

Successfully overcoming China's Commedieu and Singapore's AEON.SG along the way, Cybertime is now 1-0 up in the bo5 coming from the winner brackets in the playoffs of Asia's premier online Dota tournament. Lets hope Cybertime can maintain their superb form in this tournament and nail this Championship for our nation!

The brackets according to mymym's coverage :

http://www.mymym.com/en/coverage/561/14.html

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Malaysia's 2 most succesful teams in SMM 2009 was interviewed by Spotgamers. Both teams gave their take on SMM 2009 and some tips on how to improve your team. Check them out !

INC Excello : http://spotgamers.blogspot.com/2009/12/inc...spotgamers.html

Excerpts:

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Kingsurf : http://spotgamers.blogspot.com/2009/12/kin...ong-speaks.html

Excerpts :

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Hey guys, here come another update to the rankings covering the tournaments as follows:

1. MVP tournament Kedah ©
2. Sunway Cyber Games 2009 ©

As usual here is the rankings summary :

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No changes for the top 10 noted in the rankings after SGNDT.

With the close of 2009 I am closing a season of the rankings starting from SGNDT 2008 and ends with Sunway Cyber Games 2009. It has been an eventful season . The start of the rankings witnessed a few important milestones along the way:

1. There were 33 "Tazz Dota Rankings Sanctioned" Open Dota tournaments in this period of time where teams playing in it will have its point counted and accumulated for the rankings. That is an average of 1 tournament every 2 weeks. I hope the rate will be more in the coming year.

2. The absolute rise and maintenance of the rankings by INC'Excello, rarely slipping up on their number 1 spot despite suffering some changes in their team over the period. Even won 2nd in the AWCG finals with their new recruit Deejaysharky.

3. The waning of the once powerful Kingsurf dominance in major events and the end of it with the loss in the AWCG 2009 qualifiers in the hands of INC'Excello.

4. The rise and fall of U.C.P.R.O. and Mineski due to various reasons.

5. The rise of Cybertime led by the enigmatic Mushi. Leading Malaysia's charge on ADC III after stunning Kingsurf in the Semis and INC'Excello in the Final of the Malaysian qualifiers. Although fell short on Christmas day at the final with their rivals AEON.Sg of Singapore, they raised our flag high in the most competitive online Dota league in the world.

6. The addition of more flame in the Eternal Argument of Asia Dota vs the rest of the world where 2 Malaysian teams, INC'Excello and FTZ Asia Gaming contributed in knocking out the best Western team at that time : Meet Your Makers out of the SMM 2009 Grand Finals.

7. The emergence of new stars of the game - a sign that Dota's competitiveness and popularity is still going strong in the nations' E-sport scene. Names like Deejaysharky, Winter, Xiaoxiaofong, Mushi, Garfield, Net, Miller, Redsun, Dolphin and Melody was practically unknown in the scene at the time of the ranking's launch. Now, they play key roles in the top 10 teams of the nation, forming the core of each team and leading to their many successes online and offline.


With the closure of the 2009 season, a new season will replace it with the launching of the 2010 season starting from the Forbidden City Dota Tournament this weekend. The rankings sincerely hopes that the organisers of tournaments will take a step further to provide as much info as possible to the media community such as the dedicated guys at Spotgamers in providing full, live and interactive coverage for their events which will benefit the scenes and the events they held.


The Final Update of the 2009 rankings is already posted in the front thread for download. Updates to the rules (War3 version 1.24d) and maps to use (6.66b) are also done for the ease of organising tournaments.

This post has been edited by underminer: Feb 7 2010, 07:09 PM
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Hey, before I proceed to the update, I will introduce a new rule taking into account the LAN-based league : Spotgamers League that is going on right now.

I splitted a Class A tournament into the duration of the 6 weeks for the points granting. With the top 4 placements of the Class dividing the points based on the calculation criteria as follows :

Win : {[(9,200+7,800) / 2] / 6}= 1,416
Draw : [(1,416 + 1,070) / 2] = 1,243
Lost : 6,420 / 6 = 1,070
No-show : Nil

In addition to that, the final placements will be granted a Class C tournament ranking based on the final positions in the League.

The new rules has taken into account the commitment of getting a whole team into a LAN for 6 consequtive weeks in the only competitive E-sports League in Malaysia.

The update now has taken into account existing information on the following tournaments :

1. Forbidden City Dota tournament ( C )
2. Mars Cyberzone Dota tournament ( C )
3. Spotgamers Dota League Day 1

Without further delay, this is the rankings summary as at 12 March 2010. No difference been made for Peninsular and East Malaysia for the time being.
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Top 10 Malaysia

1. Nirvana.MY
2. Madnet Outlawz
3. Fishnet-MUFC
3. GG Mix
4. AmzSino
4. cL Ownz
4. Demigods [Mars]
4. s2p
5. INC^Excello


The soft copy for the rankings can be downloaded at the first post.


Added on March 30, 2010, 2:11 pmHey guys, yet another update !

Before I proceed, I will update the ranking rules a little by adding this line :

"Tournaments which made an extra effort in creating a winner-loser brackets / Group stage / League system in the opening stages of the tournament will be granted an upgrade of Category rating after considered the Prize money offering rule."

It means that a "Category C" tournament based on Prize money distribution will be upgraded to "Category B" if the organisers did away with the traditional Best-of-1 format of tournaments.


Without further delays, the update on the rankings will take into account the following tournaments that fulfills all criteria of the ranking coverage:

1. SPGL Day 2
2. SPGl Day 3
3. MMU GameFest 2010

The ranking summaries are as follows :

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Top 10 Malaysia :

1. MUFC-Fishnet
2. INC^Excello
3. Nirvana.MY
4. Silent Redemption
5. SINO.Regal
6. Kingsurf
7. K2E
8. ADN.FF
9. XGL
10. Madnet Outlawz

Top 10 Peninsular :

1. MUFC-Fishnet
2. INC^Excello
3. Nirvana.MY
4. Silent Redemption
5. SINO.Regal
6. Kingsurf
7. K2E
8. ADN.FF
9. XGL
10. Mushkin

Top 4 East Malaysia :

1. Madnet Outlawz
2. Gg.Mix
3. cL.Ownz
3. Demigods [Mars]



The surprise leader of the latest rankings will be MUFC-Fishnet. On the back of some impressive performances such as drawing 1-1 with Kingsurf on SPGL Day 2 and winning in the recently concluded GameFest 2010 , coming back from the brink of defeat to beat a very impressive SINO.Regal , Mushkin (4 Kingsurf players in it) and the red-hot Nirvana.MY in the Quarters, Semis and Finals respectively. That list of performance earned themselves a whopping 7,259 points along the way and pushed them straight into the pole position for the first time ever in the rankings.

INC^Excello , the Spotgamers Dota team of the year 2009 is close behind in second place followed by Nirvana.MY who just scored an impressive sponsorship with a Chinese sponsor following an eventful year 2009 for the team. Teams from 4th till 10th are there based on performances in MMU GameFest 2010.

Mushkin and Kingsurf shares the points of MMU GameFest 2010 based on the ranking rules that divides Sponsors and the team that players was still in at that point of time. The division of points enabled Mushkin being able to round up the top 10 in the Peninsular Rankings.


For details of the points, please proceed to the first post to download the detail softcopy of the rankings.

This post has been edited by underminer: Mar 30 2010, 02:16 PM
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Another update after a long long hiatus.

This update will reflect the following qualified events as far as the rankings is concerned.

1. Spotgamers League Day 4
2. Spotgamers League Day 5
3. Spotgamers League Day 6
4. Spotgamers League Season 1 Final Results
5. Alienware Arena Tournament Kuala Lumpur ( C )
6. SMM Negeri Sembilan ( B )
7. SMM Qualifier Seeds ( B )


The summary is as follows :


Top 10 Malaysia :

1. MU-Fishclub-Suncity
2. INC^Excello
3. Kingsurf
4. Nirvana.Tbun
5. Silent Redemption
6. ADN.Amz
7. XGL
8. SINO.Regal
9. Sino
10. E3


Top 10 Peninsular :

1. MU-Fishclub-Suncity
2. INC^Excello
3. Kingsurf
4. Nirvana.Tbun
5. Silent Redemption
6. ADN.Amz
7. XGL
8. SINO.Regal
9. Sino
10. E3

Top 4 East Malaysia :

1. Madnet Outlawz
2. Gg.Mix
3. cL.Ownz
3. Demigods [Mars]


The conclusion of the Spotgamers Dota League heralds a new era in Malaysia Competitive Dota. With a guaranteed cash prize for the teams , guaranteed amount of games being played over a period of time and a dedicated group of organisers behind it, the league has high hopes of expanding the horizons of E-sports in Malaysia for teams, organisers and sponsors alike.

The conclusion of Season 1 of SPGL comes with the news of SGNDT returning for its 2010 and fifth edition. The effective banning of the top 4 teams from qualifying is regrettable but the rankings seeks to compensate them by the awarding of the equavalent of a State Champion points of 4600 for each of the 4 teams.

The rules recommended for tournaments has also been updated. The default map and Warcraft III version is 6.67c and 1.24e respectively in line with the latest International requirements for tournaments.

ESWC is coming but there is no word yet on a Malaysian team being sent to Paris. Hopefully we can hear more from this a few days from now.

The updated rankings can be downloaded at the link in the first post.

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Alienware Asia Dota Championship 2010 Malaysia qualifiers updates.

We are down to the Quarterfinals where the games will be played in Best-of-3 format.

The grid is as follows :


INC Excello vs Leap Gaming

Kingsurf.LGD vs Ftz.ZK.Gaming

Silent Redemption vs Gizmo.Mix

MU.Fishclub.Suncity vs Mushkin


Updates #1
Leap Gaming produced the first major upset of the qualifiers by knocking out INC.Excello 2-1 in the quarterfinals match that just ended. They will go on to face the winner between Ks.LGD and Ftz.ZK in the bo5 semifinals.

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