there has NEVER been a situation where any msian med school, public or private, no matter how teruk the conditions are, is refused full recognition of the degree.......they have actually changed their own criteria, so one particular med school can be accredited........

ie, like many things msian, it is a political decision rather than a professional decision........

however the process takes place towards the end of the 1st cohort, ie around the time the 1st batch is graduating.....

ah ic, thanks limeuu. May I ask whether it matters where you finished the mbbs program if your working in malaysia? As in, in the end your still a doctor right? or qualifications make differences, eg cert from a more reputable school compared to cert from a new med school.

if you intend to work only in msia, and have no intention of going overseas to work or train, then it matters not where you graduate from........

any of the upstart med schools locally will do, even though most of them will not be recognised anywhere else other than msia.......even unrecognised russian, indonesian, samoan (i kid you not, see today's the star ad) degrees will do, whatever.....just pass the qualifying exam.....that is how lax we are on recognition and standards.....

once you are fully registered by mmc, you are on par with any other graduates from oxbridge, melbourne etc........

except for bragging rights.......

if you however do intend to consider work/train in other countries, particularly 1st world countries, then your primary qualification is very important........

so what's your ter?

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 4 2009, 08:53 PM

thanks limeuu for the info =) um, if converted it should be bout 99. something. *Cos i'm not doing year 12 itself.* =)

so any offers for direct entry in oz?

hmm. just asking i tot manipal is already not recognised in msia? may i noe wht is mmc?

This post has been edited by miaofen: Jan 6 2009, 03:01 PM

Previously, MMMC (Melaka Manipal Medical College) had some issues with the Indian Medical Council.
However, Its still listed and recognized by Malaysian Medical Council. You can check their list below (click it):

MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL LIST

I do guess that recognition of the university medical (or any program) recognition depends entirely on their own students. Instead of relying on the university to get the recognition, the students themselves need to prove that they are worthy of that degree. If that can be achieve i don't think that there is an issue with recognition. No matter how recognized the institution is if the student is lousy so is the degree.

I see. No not bcos of tht.. My aunt whu is a teacher told me tht the medic uni tht is not recognised, they will have to take another test.. and they tends to make the students fail in tht test. it's better better to play safe i think.

btw thx alot for the info

while in the principle of individual endeavour, that would sound like the correct thing to say, in real life, the degree you hold determines recognition and license to work........whether you like it or not.....

there are of course back doors, where one can sit for qualifying exams set by regulatory authorities of various countries, but that is inviting unnecessary trouble and hardship......

let's face it, those msians who have unrecognised degrees have them purely because they had been unable (did not qualify) to get into recognisable medical programmes......i don't know of anyone who will choose to go to an unrecognised med school over a recognised one........and they face a big hurdle, many cannot pass the qualifying exams in spite of repeated attempts.....

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Added on January 7, 2009, 5:24 pmmany fail because they are poorly trained in the first place........and because they were weak students (go look at some of the spm/stpm/pre-u results), who would not have been able to get into a reputable med school........and probably should not have gone to med school in the first place.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 7 2009, 05:25 PM

There is no doubt in that. However being said that perhaps the MMC would not use the term "recognized university" anymore. They may just put the order that any student studying in overseas institution need to take the exam before practicing in MY. This may sound discriminating for students who went to study overseas but it does help eliminate the uncertainty of whether the institution being recognized by MMC or not. But students in so called "unrecognized" local or overseas institution should not be discriminated because some of this institution may just started their medical program.

This post has been edited by nickyf1ferrari: Jan 7 2009, 11:39 PM

there is NO uncertainty.........the list is there for all to see.........those going overseas to unrecognised med schools know exactly what they are getting into.......or should......there is no excuse for pleading ignorance.......

like i said elsewhere, ALL local med schools, ipta or ipts, will be recognised.......that is a political decision...........

I hope there are parents here reading this thread.

ya thanks for the list =).

you are welcomed~
are you planning to join any one of the med colleges listed?

Political Decision.. I agree on that.Period.

you are welcomed~
are you planning to join any one of the med colleges listed?

hmm.. bt im planning to take stpm.. must see how it goes actually. any medical uni to be recommended cos gt so many bt im not sure which one to enrol in? aiks.. still a long way to go btw..

This post has been edited by miaofen: Jan 12 2009, 03:45 PM

Alright, allow me to clarify the situation.
If a local private U grad intends to work in Singapore, he has to obtain a recognized post-grad qualification (eg, MRCP (UK), FRCAP and etc). Click here for more detail.
For US, UK, and AUS, one has to pass the licensing exam for the respective country.
However, to appear for the the above mentioned licensing exams, one's degree has to be listed in IMED.

Some may say that licensing exams are difficult, but according to many of my seniors, if you can't pass, you are not qualified to be a doctor.
MRCP(UK) on the other hand, is difficult and expensive.

Currently, the recognized private medical colleges in Msia are:
1. IMU
2. PMC
3. MMMC
4. Perak Medical
5. AIMST

Therefore for those wishing to pursue a career in medicine, it's better to opt for the above mentioned college to avoid the unnecessary hassles. However, i strongly suggest to pursue a medical degree in the 1st world countries, if money is not a concern for you.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 14 2009, 02:11 AM

the thing is, from what I've observed these last few years with LYN. Med students, Med students-wannabe and even med grads have these eagerness to want to practice outside of Malaysia.

They are concerned with SMC recognition, USMLE, PLAB etc. I assume money is the driving force? why do you think MMC and Gov keeps allowing new IPTS med schools from blooming all over the country?

Well, in my point of view, one of the reason for this is to avoid/reduce their past mistakes. The government sent JPA/MARA students abroad to study medicine so that they will return, serve the Malaysian community and become a valuable asset to the country. But then.... some of these students refused to return after graduating... therefore, the gov's investment went down the drain.

You guys see the problem here?



Now, in order to make sure that the future JPA/MARA sponsored students comes back to serve the government, the government has instead sent them to these new IPTS to study medicine.

Why? just think of this, malaysian IPTS are recognized only in Malaysia and therefore they will only be able to serve in Gov service after graduating. No more running away. The government is smart isn't it?

everybody loves a conspiracy story, and this would make interesting reading, and certainly sounds logical......

but the issue of jpa/mara scholars not wanting to return to serve their bond is NOT because they have recognised qualifications.......but because the govenrment ALLOWS them to do so with impunity......

just sue the guarantors/parents for the full amount of money spent on these scholars, plus interests, plus penalty, make it public, widely covered in the media.........and see if these scholars don't come scrambling back.......otherwise, recover the money, and there is no loss to the gov/country........

it would also make those who intend to break their bonds from the word go think twice about accepting the scholarships......

so why is that NOT happening??............