I think that's not the main issue responsible for the blooming of IPTS. I was told that medical education is the new gold mine, thus many successful businessmen and political parties want one for themselves. Therefore, when big money is involved, gov wouldn't want to stop it. You get what i mean

WHere can i get info on the jpa-sponsored graduate entry for medicine?
What about the requirements and procedure for graduates to apply for medicine in local universities?

Regarding JPA sponsorship for graduate entry medicine abroad, you have to inquire directly to their HQ.

If you were referring to local private medical universities, the minimum requirement for for a BSc. holder can either be CGPA of 3.0 (Second class upper degree) or CGPA 3.5 (first class degree), that however may differ between universities. But be reminded that you will join the normal 5-years program along with STPM/A-Levels/Foundation holders.

Diploma holders are required to have a minimum CGPA of 3.5 in order to be considered.

Gov.universities don't have graduate entry medical program. They are already swamped with STPM/matriculation students.

For the 4-years fast track medical program you will have to look abroad for it. Australia, UK, US and some European countries such as Poland offers such program.



By the way, have you graduated? what is your BSc. ?



This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 26 2009, 11:22 PM

how much do we have to pay, if we want to pursue mbbs in UNIKL???
if u dont know the exact amount, what is the approximation?

For graduate entry medical course the best choice would be Aust medskols,eg Melbourne, Sydney..., Duke-NUS in spore, and Cornell in Qatar.

I dun think jpa will sponsor ur graduate medical course. if u r having financial constraints, do consider Duke-NUS, cos they r providing lots of financial aids, but competition to get admitted is quite fierce I heard.

A friend of mine studying there told me, it was around RM300K.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Feb 22 2009, 06:19 PM

Hey i have a question..

Which private medical university(listed up there) is the best among all? In term of fee structure.

If you go for cheaper + good quality go to AIMST. You gonna get bored with the food but everything else is quite fun. Try questioning the 'Unofficial AIMST' thread for more info.

im not a doctor or a medical student but this situation we are facing is worrisome. i cannot open a newspaper without seeing adverts for obscure "medical schools" in russia or ukraine or indonesia or some other far off land. to make things worse, random private "medical schools" have mushroomed under the malaysian obsession of becoming a doctor, no matter how stupid one is. admittedly, one need not be a any more of a genius to be a good doctor than to be a engineer or a good accountant - contrary to what many doctors would have you believe - but the rigorous training required for a doctor-to-be cannot possibly be provided when all and sundry are admitted into the programme (one year post-spm preparation? you gotta be kidding me) and training hospitals are in another country and the arrangements are primarily for the financial gain of the other partner?

what does JPA and MARA know about good medical training anyway? all they want to see is that their sponsored students, who are none the wiser with regards to what a good medical training should be, are fit and well and happy with their training.

limeuu hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the idiocy of the different ethnic groups who insist on their own medical schools, to pander to the doctor-wannabe kids of their colour, regardless of aptitude and attitude, so they could pass it off as an achievement come election time.

i worry when i pass private clinics where the doctor lists their qualifications at the door from random places (am i supposed to feel assured that the person treating me for a premium went to Calicut?). i do not foresee this situation getting any better in the near future with what we are dealing at the moment.

the powers that control all this is not interested in the quality or safety of healthcare in the country........it becomes a game of numbers........how many malay, chinese and indian doctors there are......what is the ratio (1:1000?, 1:600)......

the people who actually have to deal with this on the ground, ie the moh, are stuck with many poorly trained and often incompetent fresh graduates entering the hospitals.......some of these doctors become a liability rather than an asset.....instead of an extra pair of hands in helping to cope with the non-ending stream of patients in gov hospitals, someone has to keep an eye on these doctors to make sure their mistakes do not do too much harm.....

mistakes happen? you bet........all the time.......you will be surprised how frequent......the case i mentioned here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/942204/+40 .....that contract doctor (actually from pakistan, not india[p/s in response to below, the doctor stated on the phone she is from india, but as determined by the name chop in the referral letter, she is from pakistan]) made a wrong diagnosis of the bleeding, being only able to think of piles and unable to think of any alternative possible diagnosis, did a rectal examination and completely MISSED a rectal tumour......... if not for the fact that the patient has insurance and insisted on referral to a private hospital, that pakistani doctor will continue to treat that patient as piles.........!

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 23 2009, 09:02 AM

So that doctor is a Pakistani grad instead of an Indian grad like you claimed? Whether or not you made the mistake intentionally or unintentionally, you gave me the impression that you would modify the facts just to back your argument.

Also, pls put a full stop to generalization. You always claimed that you didn't generalize, but in the end, you are the one making all the generalization.

Posts like these have definitely made me lost all my respect for you.

there is no generalisation, there IS a problem with india trained doctors as a group......one cannot tell superficially if they are good or bad.......

i stand by my opinion that because of inconsistency in standards, all doctors from russia, india, indonesia will be viewed with suspicion, and they will need to prove themselves competent individually.........this view acknowledges there are many good competent doctors from these mentioned places.....just as there are many bad ones.........and this distinction needs to be made on an individual basis.......

these are the facts of this issue.........if one feels upset because one belongs to one of these groups, tough.......just go prove yourself.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 23 2009, 09:12 AM

is there a tough testing regime in place that every doctor has to go through before he is allowed to practice in malaysia? should that not filter out the graduates of dodgy medical schools out of our healthcare system?

like said, it has become a numbers game.......

no, if you graduate from a scheduled (ie recognised under section 13/2 of the medical act), you are registrable.......and that list contains a lot of doggy unis........

to make matters worse, a backdoor exist.....if you graduate from unscheduled uni ie not recognised (section 13/3), you can sit for an exam, pitched at 4th year level, and if you pass, get registered......many cannot pass after multiple attempts (allowed 3), and the gov has now 'absorbed' them into ipta medical schools, for 'retraining'.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 23 2009, 09:27 AM

I believe all doctors should be judged on individual basis, regardless of where they graduated from. As i have said many times before, in most developed countries (including Singapore), one is not allowed to display his/her qualification with place of origin in bracket, which is being practiced in Msia. No matter how famous a medical school is, there will always be bad apples, just that they might be less.

Ever heard of a case of a session of angiogram being done across the span of 2 days, with guide wire taped to patient's thigh after the first day as there was no catheter available in the hospital? This happened to one of my mom's friends who went to a private hospital in Kedah, and angiogram was performed by a chinese cardiologist with MBBS(UM) and MRCP(UK). In addition, the patient was being charged for 2 sessions of angiogram.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 09:26 AM

obviously ignorant about the difference between adhoc and sequential PTI..........

why don't you do some more research as to the difference, and why this case happens this way......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 23 2009, 09:30 AM

PTI? Pardon the interruption? Or do you mean PCI (percutaneous coronary intervention)

I guess you are the ignorant one eh? What if organisms gain entry via the femoral atery? Also being charged twice for a session of angiogram? As i have stated above, the reason for this to happen was due to the shortage of catheter needed to inject the dye, and the particular doctor only realised that after inserting the guide wire into patient's femoral artery. Then, patient was asked to go home, instead of being observed in the hospital for possible signs of infection.

Mind you, only coronary angiography was being done, no balloon or stent was involved.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Feb 23 2009, 09:50 AM

typo........

from the facts of the case, it appears then a problem with the hospital, and the managers of the cath lab, rather than the doctor......

also this sometimes happens when specific catheters are required due to the configuration of the anatomy, which may not be stocked by especially small medical centers........

i think you will need to get more information about this particular before pointing fingers.......and the fingers will mostly point at the medical centre, not the doctor.......charging is done by the hospital.......and that is another big issue.......the ballooning of private healthcare costs, and the increasing charges in private hospitals.......(and i might add, shrinking doctors income in some cases)....doctors are as much victims as patients.....

this has nothing to do with the issue at hand......ie quality and competency of young doctors in msia.......

Is anybody currently studying medicine overseas? Is it a good choice? Do you have any recommandation? Which overseas medical school is the best? In term of fee structure as well..

Well, many ply their route to Russia or Indonesia to study. To get to view of how good is the university you could go here.

http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/1153709442948.html

This is the list of university recognized by Singapore and its criteria is more strict than in Malaysia. I don't know if this politically motivated or its actually a fact but not even one Russian university is recognized. So only go to university that is recognized. Australia is one of the better place to study with competitive fees.