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post Sep 13 2010, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(jethrel @ Sep 12 2010, 11:54 PM)
What excuse would you need?

Just tell the truth. Why are you switching when you're only a month into working there? Because you had a better offer? Environment there seems to be more suitable for you?

I don't see why you shouldn't be plain honest with your employer.
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That is exactly what I was planning to do... be honest with my employer... well, hope it all goes well. Btw, it's a much better offer, and I didn't apply for that job(not a job hopper) it's just that the HR called me for another position in their company.

Added on September 21, 2010, 2:15 pmMoment of truth... I have to hand in the resignation letter tomorrow as I will get my offer letter today... need all the courage in the world to go and hand in the letter... =(

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CBT and theft charge shock for clerk

KUALA LUMPUR: A 28-year-old accounts clerk returned to her work place about three weeks after resigning to collect her salary, but a shock awaited her.

Policemen were waiting in the room of her manager, who accused her of swindling the company of RM400,000 and stealing two Rolex watches from him.
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post Sep 22 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 13 2010, 06:33 AM)
That is exactly what I was planning to do... be honest with my employer... well, hope it all goes well. Btw, it's a much better offer, and I didn't apply for that job(not a job hopper) it's just that the HR called me for another position in their company.

Added on September 21, 2010, 2:15 pmMoment of truth... I have to hand in the resignation letter tomorrow as I will get my offer letter today... need all the courage in the world to go and hand in the letter... =(
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Sorry to hear that mate.

Believe you mentioned that 1 month notice?

Would you be able to clarify if the 1 month notice applies only after your receive your offer letter or what would be the terms during your probation?

Dude, if you got a better offer, better environment, better pay - look forward to it and try not to look on the dark side of handing in your resignation letter.

Let's look forward not backward. We learn from yesterday to live a better tomorrow.
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post Sep 22 2010, 10:40 AM

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Thank you so much for that...
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post Sep 23 2010, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 22 2010, 10:40 AM)
Thank you so much for that...
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Hey man, as long as you have concrete reasons, and the move seems to be to better things (e.g., better and more reputable company, better position, more aligned with your career goals, etc) I do not think it will be a blot in your CV. I would be careful about stating the reason of leaving as higher salary though, because if you get a counter offer, you will be trapped i.e. if you still move, then you are being dishonest. Plus, leaving for higher salary and not accompanied by any of the solid reasons above are generally viewed negatively by potential employers. THey generally want to be satisfied that the employee if forward looking, has a career plan and principles and would not be lured by a marginal increase in salary. But if your new offer is like 50 to 80% more, nothing they can say-lah :-) coz hard to imagine anyone passing on such offer. You can agree or disagree, but just putting my view and for you to be able to place yourself in the mind of the employer or HR. All the best.
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post Sep 23 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(shinya118 @ Sep 2 2010, 07:37 PM)
Hi there, I want resign from my current company, but there is the term that I need to pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I go to their competitors company. Any solution? their competitors give me better offer.
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Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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post Sep 24 2010, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Sep 23 2010, 09:49 PM)
Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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I always advise candidates to weigh the liabilities before signing employment contract. Especially on the termination conditions and bonding. Personaly I won't sign into a liability/risk for myself.
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Sep 23 2010, 09:49 PM)
Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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Simply put it, one cannot eat both ends of the pie at the same time.

Contacts are made free, willingly, voluntarily and with the consent of both parties, the exception to the case would be if someone who cannot read or write is made to enter into a contract than perhaps there are other elements that might void the agreement.

Secondly, when entering into a contract, everyone is expected to honour their end of the bargain, say for example employer pays employee his salary and the employee comes on time to work subject to the terms and conditions of the contract. What if the employer doesn't pay the employee salary, more likely than not the employee will start reminding the employer of his contract obligations to him.

Hence, from the very beginning of the thread itself, I have already mentioned read and take your time to understand each single word/fine print the letter of offer/employment before you pen down your name. Weight your options, if the risk can be managed or if the benefits out-weight the risk invloved, by all means go ahead. No one can decide your career choice except you yourself.

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post Sep 30 2010, 09:32 PM

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Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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QUOTE(toxicure @ Sep 30 2010, 09:32 PM)
Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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Yes, then can do it and back date it too. Just hand in notice assuming she is not confirm and see what is their next move.
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Sep 23 2010, 09:49 PM)
Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
It's a weighted liability to be evaluated by him/her very own self. It's not a threat for Christ's sake. It's an invitation to treat that has yet to be accepted. The differences are there for you to read and understand before putting pen to paper.

Regards, Joey
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QUOTE(toxicure @ Sep 30 2010, 09:32 PM)
Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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Anytime before the confirmation, the terms in the letter of offer continues to be effective until such time a new offer supersedes the existing letter of offer. Naturally this is the case when a person is duly accepted by the Company.

To put it simply, if you don’t confirm me after the 3 months, the existing terms will continue to apply.

Say for example, if the Company does not confirm you for a period of 7 years, which terms continue to apply? Logically it is the existing terms contained in the letter of offer will still continue to apply. Since, there are no other offers that supersede the existing letter of offer,

Next question, once your friend tenders her resignation, suddenly management decides to pop out with a confirmation letter.

Regardless, whether it is dated the same day, back dated or whatever date for that matter, the pertinent question is still the following:

1. when did you have knowledge of the confirmation; and

2. when did you receive the confirmation (as in actual receipt).

So long as your friend does not sign or do anything to verify the contents of the confirmation, the existing letter of offer (signed during the probation period will continue to be effective).

My advise if they do date the LO after your probation period or back dated the letter, just write back and inform they that you will consider their offer and also informing them the date you "ACTUALLY" received the confirmation.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 1 2010, 08:46 AM)
Yes, then can do it and back date it too. Just hand in notice assuming she is not confirm and see what is their next move.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:46 AM)
Anytime before the confirmation, the terms in the letter of offer continues to be effective until such time a new offer supersedes the existing letter of offer. Naturally this is the case when a person is duly accepted by the Company.

To put it simply, if you don’t confirm me after the 3 months, the existing terms will continue to apply.

Say for example, if the Company does not confirm you for a period of 7 years, which terms continue to apply? Logically it is the existing terms contained in the letter of offer will still continue to apply. Since, there are no other offers that supersede the existing letter of offer,

Next question, once your friend tenders her resignation, suddenly management decides to pop out with a confirmation letter.

Regardless, whether it is dated the same day, back dated or whatever date for that matter, the pertinent question is still the following:

1. when did you have knowledge of the confirmation; and

2. when did you receive the confirmation (as in actual receipt).

So long as your friend does not sign or do anything to verify the contents of the confirmation, the existing letter of offer (signed during the probation period will continue to be effective).

My advise if they do date the LO after your probation period or back dated the letter, just write back and inform they that you will consider their offer and also informing them the date you "ACTUALLY" received the confirmation.
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good inputs guys... i've told my friend. now we'll see what happens next. =) Thx a lot yah thumbup.gif

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can we sent backdated resignation letter because new company need us in 1 month time?Notice should be 3 months. Existing company has been late in salary payment (2 weeks late) and missed out 6 months EPF deduction that doesnt include OT/claims. Can the employer ask the employee to pay 3 months notice?
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Why do you want to ruin your character? Sending back dated notice is dishonesty. Just because there are snatch thief every where do you also join them to become a snatch thief?

If you want to leave early you have to pay in lieu of notice. You may use unpaid salary and OT claims to offset payments.

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I have a question. I have joined in a company 2 months plus. My probation is 6 months with 24 hours of leave notice. I have given the notice, but the employer did not approve, asking me to leave at the end of the month instead. Can I just choose not to come the next day ? Or any suggestions ?
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QUOTE(afosz @ Oct 13 2010, 04:41 PM)
I have a question. I have joined in a company 2 months plus. My probation is 6 months with 24 hours of leave notice. I have given the notice, but the employer did not approve, asking me to leave at the end of the month instead. Can I just choose not to come the next day ? Or any suggestions ?
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Errm... normally 24 hours notice is served by the Employer on you rather than the other way round. Perhaps you should re-check your Letter of Offer and see what it actually say.

In any case, i am assuming your notice is 24 hours.

All you need to do is to tender resignation notice according to your letter of offer.

You have done nothing wrong and you should observe the terms of your letter of offer rather than destroying your own rice bowl by quitting the company without notice or breach the letter of offer. The tables will be turned against you, further you may not be able to get employment elsewhere if they were to contact the same company that you left for reference purposes.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 13 2010, 05:17 PM)
Errm... normally 24 hours notice is served by the Employer on you rather than the other way round. Perhaps you should re-check your Letter of Offer and see what it actually say.

In any case, i am assuming your notice is 24 hours.

All you need to do is to tender resignation notice according to your letter of offer.

You have done nothing wrong and you should observe the terms of your letter of offer rather than destroying your own rice bowl by quitting the company without notice or breach the letter of offer. The tables will be turned against you, further you may not be able to get employment elsewhere if they were to contact the same company that you left for reference purposes.
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The 24 hours notice period is by both parties you see. Otherwise I would not be tendering it over doh.gif

6 months probation, 24 hours notice period of termination. I've been here only for 2 months plus. Some colleagues have worked here 1 year plus and never did receive any confirmation letter.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Oct 13 2010, 05:59 PM)
The 24 hours notice period is by both parties you see. Otherwise I would not be tendering it over doh.gif

6 months probation, 24 hours notice period of termination. I've been here only for 2 months plus. Some colleagues have worked here 1 year plus and never did receive any confirmation letter.
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tender notice today, gone tomorrow regardless what your boss say.

i see no issues really, if it say what it say in your contract.

6 months probation but worked for one year without confirmation, that's called <insert word>, i would have tendered resignation if i wasn't confirmed after the 6 months probation.

That's PURE abuse by the employer to get rid of staff as and when they like especially not confirming staff, but when you want to tender 24 hours they say, hey you can't do that, you need to wait until the end of the month! WTF logic is that?
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 13 2010, 08:11 PM)
tender notice today, gone tomorrow regardless what your boss say.

i see no issues really, if it say what it say in your contract.

6 months probation but worked for one year without confirmation, that's called <insert word>, i would have tendered resignation if i wasn't confirmed after the 6 months probation.

That's PURE abuse by the employer to get rid of staff as and when they like especially not confirming staff, but when you want to tender 24 hours they say, hey you can't do that, you need to wait until the end of the month! WTF logic is that?
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By law, yes I have fulfill what has stated in my offer letter. Offer letter mentioned that '24 hours of termination notice by either party', so by employer and employees right ? And yes thank you for understanding that by not confirming, the boss can get rid of you at anytime if the staff screws up, but the staff cannot tender today and gone next day.

He requested me to stay until end of month, another 2 weeks. I'm just worried that there will be hidden agenda like giving me loads, then by end of month I want to leave, he say no, you still have lots of work and have to be responsible, and I will be regretting that, might as well I just leave after tender the last 2 weeks.

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