I bought my 2807... cheap cheap... RM2500 nia. Still can HDMI... still can do whatever...

timothy, good choice on the 2807 for the price. I would have chosen that instead of the 2308 if only they were selling at that price then. Enjoy your Denon.

So u have been using 2807, & can we have your review on its performance please??

Eerrr..... Review? eeerrr... it is on the floor... with my 2 front speakers, centre speaker and sub. Surround not installed yet as I have some problem with my plaster ceiling.

Then, I play music from my PS3 and leave it on and I do my own things upstairs. He! He! He!
Have not calibrated anything...

So... review? Can't really do so coz I have not fully utilise the potential of this machine... After Christmas... I'll be able to do...

wat is the price for 2309 ?? hmmm much better than 2308

as stated 3.4k by Nadky who recently bought

The price of 2309 should be RM3,xxx but less than RM4k for sure......subject to your negotiation with your dealer...


FEATURES


GENERAL Availability August 2008

Finish Black

--> Power Output; Watts Per Channel 100

All Channels Rated @ 0.05 THD –

All Channels Rated @ 0.08 THD

Weight: In Pounds 27.1

Width (inches) 17.1

Height (inches) 6.7

Depth (inches) 16.9


SOUND MODES
THX Ultra2-Certified –

Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit – D.D.S.C - D –

Processor(s) – Bit Depth and Type 1 - 21367 32-bit Floating Point

Dolby Pro Logic IIx – with Cinema, Music, Game Modes

THX Post-Processing – DPL (4.0), DPL2 Cinema, DD/DTS (5.1), ES Discrete (6.1), ES Matrix, Neo:6 Cinema –

THX Ultra2 7.1 Cinema, Music and Game Modes –

THX Surround EX Decoding –

Dolby Digital Plus –

Dolby Digital Surround EX Decoding

Dolby Digital Pro Logic II –

dts ES Discrete 6.1 Decoding

dts ES Matrix 6.1 Decoding

dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music Modes

dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video Processing

Dolby Headphone –

HDCD Decoder –

Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) – By source

Pure Direct/Direct/Stereo Modes on Digital/Analog inputs

Stereo/Direct Modes w/Pure Analog Path

5-Channel Stereo Mode –

5-Channel Equal Power –

Video Game Mode

Wide Screen 7.1 Mode

Mono Movie Surround Mode

Rock Arena Surround Mode

Matrix Surround Mode

Jazz Club Surround Mode

Virtual Surround Mode – For 2 Speakers/Headphones

Multi-Channel Stereo Mode 5/6/7

DSP Effect Modes 7

Auto Surround Mode (Analog or Digital Input Type)

Active Center Channel In All Surround Modes

Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit - Digital HD Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit - Digital HD

Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+

dts-HD Master Audio

MP3 Decoding –

WMA Decoding –

HD Radio –

tr> XMHD

Neural Surround Mode XMHD


CONNECTIVITY
True 24-bit/96-kHz Digital Input Capability

True 24-bit/192-kHz Digital Input Capability (Denon Link & 1394) –

Assignable Digital Inputs

Digital Input – DENON Link 3rd (SACD Ready) –

IEEE-1394 Digital Audio Input/Output –

Digital Inputs: Coaxial 2

Digital Inputs: Optical 2

Digital Outputs: Optical 1

Digital to Analog REC Out

Analog Audio Inputs, Incl. Tuner 9

Phono Input

Source Function Renaming

Analog Record Outputs 2

Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover * Composite and S-Video * with Optical

Video Conversion –Composite to S-Video to Component

Video Conversion – Composite to S-Video to Composite

Video Conversion – Analog to HDMI –

DVI/HDMI Video Inputs – Compatible with 1.1 Spec. – Multi-Channel Audio *1080p HDMI –

HDMI Video Outputs *1080p *

Composite Video Inputs 4

Composite Video Outputs 2

S-Video Inputs 4

S-Video Outputs 2

Component Video Inputs x Bandwidth - *Assignable *3 x 100

Component Video Outputs

6-Ch. External Analog Input –

8-Ch. External Analog Input

Banana Plug Speaker Terminals, All Channels

Cinema EQ

Front A/B Speaker Selector –

56 Station Auto-Preset Memory Tuning

Radio Data System (RDS) –

XM Satellite Radio 'Connect and Play' Ready – with optional antenna –

Sirius Ready

Rhapsody –

Direct Function (Tone Bypass)

Volume Control Un-muting

Selectable Muting Levels (Full/-40/-20)

Video Select Control

RS-232 Port – Third Party Remote Controllers

RJ-45 Ethernet Port – Same Functionality as AVR-5805/4806 –

PC Setup and Control Capability via RS-232C

IR Serial Remote In/Out terminals –

+12v Trigger Output - Assignable –

Multi-Source/Multi-Zone (*Uses REC OUT) –

Pre-amp Outputs for Multi-Zone

High Pass Filter for Multi-Zone Outputs –

Multi-Zone Pre-Amp Outputs – Selectable Output Levels –

Discrete Multi-Zone Composite Video Output - *S-Video also –

Discrete Remote Power On/Off, Source Selection and Volume for Main and Second/Third* Zones

Discrete Remote Source Selection for Zone 3 –

Assignable Amplifier Configuration of Surround Back Channels –

Speaker Time-Delay and Level Controls: L/R, Sub, C, Surr. L/R, Surround Back

Pre-Amp Outputs Sub

Internet Radio –

iPod Port (Using optional AKP-100 cable) –

iPod Dock Control Port (Using optional ASD-1R Denon iDock)

USB Flash Drive Port –



pre Labled Assignable Digital Inputs

BNC Digital Inputs - Audio & Video –

Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs –

XLR Analog Input –

XLR Analog Output –

Input Delete Function

Front Panel AV Inputs Inside Panel Composite & S-video –

s-Video Down Conversion 2nd Zone –

Video Conversion Analog to HDMI Scaling 480p 720p 1080i 1080p

Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling FLI2310

Silicon Optix Realta HQV Processing and Scaling –

HDMI Video Output s1.1 Spec 1080p –

HDMI 1.3a Inputs 4

HDMI 1.3a Outputs 1

HDMI Audio/Video Repeater Function

HDMI Video Switching Function –

HDMI Deep Color Support-36Bit

HDMI xvYCC Color Space Support

HDMI SACD Support –

Component Video Output 2nd Zone –

10-Ch External Analog Input –

Enhanced Power Amp Assignment –

Builtin WiFi Connectivity WiFi B/G certified –

Network Enabled –

USB Port with HDD Support –
HQV –

COMPONENT TECHNOLOGY
Equal Power Amplifiers

Low Impedance Drive Capability

High-Current/Discrete Amplifiers

Independent Power Supplies

Pure Audio Construction –

Toroidal Power Transformer –

Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes – Analog Devices, HammerHead SHARC

Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes – Texas Instruments Aureus –

AL24 Processing - All Channels –

24-bit/192-kHz DACs – Burr-Brown PCM-1791 –

24-bit/192-kHz DACs - Analog Devices 24-bit/192-192kHz ADAU1328

Analog-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/96-kHz ADAU1328

Variable High/Low Pass Crossover Points (12/24dB) 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250

Built In Time Based Correction

Advanced AL24 Processing Multi Channel –

Automatic Lip Sync

HD Radio Tuner Built-in –


CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Front Panel A/B Speaker Selector

Auto Setup Calibration

Auto/Manual Room Equalization

Audyssey MultEqxt Room Eq. with up to eight position setup –

Audyssey MultEQ

Audyssey Dynamic Volume

Auto Setup Microphone Included/Type Y/Mold DM-A409

Dual Surround Mode Spkr. Selector –

Icon-Based On-Screen Display

Front Panel System Setup Control

Personal Memory Plus

System Setup/Surround Parameters Lockout

Relay-Controlled Protection Circuits

Microprocessor User Re-set Y/pg. 64

Detachable Power Cord

Subwoofer Peak-Level Limiter (THX) –

Pre-programmed (10 Devices) Glow Key Remote Control with Punch Through Commands –

Pre-programmed/Learning EL Remote with Backlighting and Punch Through Commands –


Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup –

Audyssey Mult EQ Room Correction Positions 6



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not a bad one for 2309
jsut lack of the 2809 wit 24AL which is more tempting

DENON lowest crossover is 80HZ..........How come it cannot go lower than that for those who have larger floorstanders which can produce lower bass frequency?

I am wondering does Denon has multi-channels crossover? The lowest 80HZ is overall cut-off frequency for all speakers channels. 80Hz is recommended by THX but if you are using smaller satellite speakers, the crossover should be set much higher, probably around 120Hz......

However, most of the people I know are using bigger front speakers or centre speakers and the surround speakers are of smaller size, more like satellite speakers. One way is to save space at the back which can wall-mount the surround. Bigger size speakers like Bookshelf as surround will have to find a pair of proper speaker stand or shelf to accomodate them. So, by setting the standard recommended corssover of 80Hz, this will load the smaller surround spearkers much more burden which they cant generate even close to 100Hz, not to say 80Hz. As as result, they will sound distortion. In turn, if we tweak the crossover higher to say 120Hz, the larger front speakers will not be fully-utiilised. By offering multi-channel crossover settings, it will sounds more practical as most of us have very different sizes of speakers. WHat's your view?

please correct me if i'm wrong. the crossover means if u have .1 setup (i.e. 5.1) with .1 being the subwoofer. the 80Hz is the cut-off point for the front speakers and the subwoofer. eventhough you have a floorstanders that can go as low as 30Hz or below, it will be better if the receiver lets the subwoofer to handle lower frequencies, maybe to avoid the speakers koyak. coz movies got more thumps and rumbles. i think there are other receivers that have lower cut-off frequencies but the recommended is still 80Hz

I'm not a Denon owner obviosly, but both of you are correct about the crossover setting. Recommended setting for HT is 80Hz, but if your speakers can go lower there's nothing wrong to set it lower.

So, the Denon can only do one crossover setting for all speakers? My Yamaha RX-V1800 was the same, that's why I sold it off. My fronts can go much lower but my surrounds can just go down to 80Hz only. With one setting, I have to set 80-90Hz for all the speakers, which will waste the true potential of my fronts. With individual crossover setting, I can have different crossover settings for fronts, center, surrounds and surround back.

Wahlau, how much did you sell your V1800 for?

Sigh, some of the top branded av manufacturers just followed rigidly what the THX certified. They still think it is widely acceptable crossover frequency. I dont know top model Denon has to offer about multi crossover settings. Maybe Junwei can help as main distributor of Denon.

However, in UK, they dont normally set the crossover lower than 80Hz. They claimed the front and the Sub will produce DOUBLE BASS which can distort the lower bass freqency as timing of the two bass will be different.

Some of expert there recommend to change all front to small and tweak it higher to 120Hz! .....and let the Sub do the job. I will still stick to 80Hz as starting point. But, let see the below article extracted:-


[B]OK, What if my Speakers are considered LARGE

For some, your main speakers may actually extend down to 30Hz or lower, especially if they include 10” or 12” side-firing low frequency drivers. The temptation will be to set these speakers to LARGE., The setting is there so there must be a place for its use, right? Actually, we recommend setting almost all speakers to SMALL, even if they are physically large floorstanding speakers. Here’s why: Even though those floorstanders have a low extension, they won’t necessarily go down to the lowest range of your subwoofer as linearly and free of compression (unless your main speakers have more piston area and box volume than your sub – but we won’t address that here) The problem with the LARGE setting is: the ultra low frequency information will not be heard if the speaker cannot reproduce it. Well if by some chance you were able to get your main speakers bass extension flat down to 20Hz, then adding the subwoofer on top of that would yield too much (up to 6dB) of bass output at the frequencies both are producing. Hence integration between the loudspeakers and subwoofer will be poor and the bass may be overpowering, sloppy and/or boomy.


As a practical example, Reference System 3 has a pair of RBH Sound 1266-LSEs which extend down to 32Hz. I have them set to SMALL and I set my crossover frequency to 60Hz. Because of this, the subwoofer handles everything up to 60Hz that would otherwise go to my front speakers. The front speakers are now freed up to concentrate on only 60Hz and up. The result is no lost information, less distortion, more headroom and a better overall sound.


written by Audioholics editor....

i sold to a fellow forumer, a very good deal for both of us.

The Onkyo also THX-certified but it only recommends to set at 80Hz, it does not force it. I also set all my speakers to small, only the crossover settings different. For surround I put 80Hz, fronts 60Hz and center 70Hz.

Actually you can set to whatever you want as long as it don't go below your speaker capabilitites. The one rule for all audiophle always come in the end, listen to it and set to what it sounds best to your ears.

if my front is diamond 9.5 so would i set to large or small?
and the crossover how much shud i set? 10hz above the lowest frequency??
onkyo user here

This post has been edited by swine: Dec 24 2008, 01:30 PM

My Denon AVR-2308 can set individual speaker crossover freq for front, center, sub, surround and surround back speakers. New AVR-2309 should be able to set individual speaker crossover freq as well.

Longmile9, are u sure avr-2308 is able to set individual speakers crossover??

Thats great, you dont have to spend a fortune to get this feature....BTW, how do you set the crossover for all your speakers, if you dont mind telling us..........

mikapoh,

Hint: Set "Subwoofer Setup" to "LFE+Main".

1. Menu > Manual Setup > Speaker Setup > Subwoofer Setup

2. Once done, set the individual speaker x-over freq - Menu > Manual Setup > Speaker Setup > Crossover Frequency > Advanced

BTW, subwoofer x-over freq can be set down to 40Hz & 60Hz as well, not just 80Hz... Enjoy.

This post has been edited by longmile9: Dec 24 2008, 11:45 PM

Merry X'mas to all!

My father juz gotten denon AVR 1709 few days ago at RM 1600.
Is tis a reasonable price?
Then after chacking, I realised it doesnt support DTS-HD, Dolby True HD and no 1080P upscaling.
So, I thinking of asking my father to get it changed to at least Denon AVR 1909. So, may I know wat is the price for AVR 1909 on market?
Is it worth to change to AVR 1909 since I have a FULL HD LCD panel at home but the sad thing is, I have no HD player. Only using DVD player with no upscaling function. So is the upscaling in AVR 1909 does a good job?
I think AVR 2309 is way out of budget since it is more than 3k.

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Added on December 25, 2008, 2:06 pmHow about AVR 2808?
Since it also can decode DTS-HD and Dolby-True HD, got 1080P upscaling somemore. Wat is the price?
Worth buying?

This post has been edited by cougar richard: Dec 25 2008, 02:06 PM

A change is necessary if you plan to add a bluray player to your HT combo in the future. At least AVR-1909 model onwards will support HD Audio. I guess your AVR-1709 only decodes DTS or Dolby 7.1 only. So, if you want future proof amp, go change it...... . Dont think twice!

I still think the 1909 is doing a very reasonable job in upscaling the video signal. However, some prefer to use their dvdp to upscale. It is up to your eyes to judge.

Thanks for ur reply, but need to pay for another RM 1000 in case if that fellow willing to take it back at buying price which is RM 1600. A bit disappointed with new the new range receiver but still doing old job for DTS decoding only. And the price ain't cheap thou!
So RM 1600 for AVR 1709 is reasonable? Or my father get conned again?

How abt the price for AVR 2808? It decodes DTS-HD and upscaling too.