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Buying Advice Wanna buy New Camera? Undecided which to choose?V2, ASK HERE! Dont create a thread elsewhere

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post Dec 1 2008, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 1 2008, 11:45 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR/PnS
Budget: ~1.6k
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : canon, nikon, panny
Type of photography u want to do : hdr
Any specific models in mind? : lumix LX3
Any specific features u want? : AEB
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Note that HDR can only be achieved via software generation.
And if you're not planning on taking 3 or more exposures of the same picture, it's wise to get a camera that supports RAW.
That way you get to 'cheat' and are able to generate a HDR image with the single RAW file.
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post Dec 4 2008, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(roadie @ Dec 4 2008, 08:36 AM)
hi all, i'm planning to buy a camera for my daughter for christmas. she has shown a lot of interest in photography. she handles my current camera (canon s1is) with ease. as a 1st camera for her i dont want to get a very expensive one. are there reasonably good ones for under rm500?

Type of camera/lens/accesories :  any
Budget: under rm500
Your Location:   pj/kl
Preferable brand :  any
Type of photography u want to do : normal
Any specific models in mind? :  any
Any specific features u want? :  uses aa batteries, image stabilisation, preferably uses sd or cf memory card

thanks in advance.
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I feel that you ought to get a camera which uses Li-ion batteries. Although AA batteries are indeed easily obtained, they certainly do not last as long as Li-ion batteries.
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post Dec 4 2008, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(nashakir @ Dec 4 2008, 07:02 PM)

want to ask..

with kit or body only what thats mean..

and what accesories that needed? tripod,  flash and?

and y flash so expensive ? huhu
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A tripod is great if you have lots of time to set up your camera and stuff to get a sharp photo. But for candid shots, you can just forget about that tripod smile.gif But still, a tripod albeit a cheap one is still useful to have just in case there's a need for it.
Flash expensive eh sweat.gif Well it's just the way it is then. But once you've ventured deeper into the DSLR world, the price of a flash is nothing compared to lenses smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 4 2008, 11:02 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories :  DSLR
Budget: 2-2.5K
Your Location: KL 
Preferable brand : Sony, Nikon, Olympus, Canon
Type of photography u want to do : general, outdoor, indoor, landscape, portrait.
Any specific models in mind? : any entry level model

I would like to know what's the current price for the things that I listed below

batteries
flash
telephoto lens
tripod
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Batteries -RM200
Flash - Canon 580EXII - RM1600
Telephoto lens - Canon 600mm F4L IS USM - RM35000
Tripod - Gitzo GT5540LS Carbon Fiber - RM2800

Sorry but you didn't give me any more details yawn.gif

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post Dec 8 2008, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(ad3rb33n @ Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM)
notworthy.gif Thx to TheWanderX for da reply notworthy.gif

but i think i might to nid rephrase my question coz i think i asked the wrong question.

The situation is:
I thinkin of goin into DSLR from compact PnS camera.what i mean is I'm new to DSLR camera; nvr really use 1. So, i thinkin of get my hand on 1 of it n learn to use it.

I tried google for Panasonic Lumix LX3 n found tat the price is few hundred diff with EOS-1000D. yet with all da features of DSLR does it more worthy to just go n get da EOS-1000D?( feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)

And for nikon D60/80 it is a bit pricey?

BTW, if i get a 2nd hand DSLR camera wit kits are dey worthy n can i reli save more buck(maybe 1000-1500)? Any recommendation?

N following are edited to be more specific:

Budget:1000-2000(R tis too much or not enuf?)
Your Location:  KL
Preferable brand : Canon,Nikon, Olympus
Type of photography u want to do :  Landscape,macro
Any specific models in mind? : Prefer model between budget
Any specific features u want? : built-in focus drive motor, compact(since i planning to use it to snap photos from the peak of Mount Kinabalu)

N does DSLR can operate under humid area like the peak of Mount Kinabalu? Shud I worry thing like vapor build up in da lens?
thx...


Added on December 8, 2008, 8:03 pmI got additional question:

Does the difference between Olympus Four Thirds system n APS-C sensor really big? How big da difference?

N wat is lens focus by wire?
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I think TheWandererX threw too much advice to you and it became saturated. sad.gif
Lemme try and make it simple.
If you're looking to save 1000-1500 from buying a 2nd hand DSLR, you might just as well forget about it. DSLRs dont depreciate so fast smile.gif
DSLRs are quite versatile. They have a very decent operating temperature range, yes, even the entry level models. I've read reviews of DSLRs tested in -20 Celsius and it worked fine. So Mount Kinabalu is really nothing, the only thing you have to worry about is battery life. As the temperature decreases, so does the battery life. And another thing, Mount Kinabalu ain't humid, it's just colder. smile.gif

Olympus Four Thirds System eh. The name really explains it all. The size of the image sensor has a 4:3 ratio and Olympus cameras have a 2.0x crop factor. Just for comparison, Canon's has 1.6x while Nikon has 1.5x crop factor. Now there's no good or bad with crop factors.

Lens focus by wire. This is more commonly known as cable release. Note that to obtain very sharp pictures, the camera has to remain totally still while the picture is taken. And, when one presses the shutter button on the camera, there will be a slight shake. This is where cable release comes in. Basically, a cable release trigger is connected to the camera. To trigger the shutter, you just press a button on the trigger. This way your hands are not physically on the camera, eliminating motion caused by handshake.

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post Dec 10 2008, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(TheWandererX @ Dec 9 2008, 05:13 PM)
IS is in lens for the lenses I think.

Anyway, Zuiko lens is EXTREMELY unpopular. Even Olympus DSLR users opt for other 3rd party lenses like Sigma or Tamron because of the unavailability of lenses, and they aren't as good compared to the Canon or Nikon lenses, that's why we recommend you to get a D60 or a 1000D.

Olympus is an ok-ok brand for digital cameras, but a no-no for DSLRs.
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This is an extremely bigoted statement.
Unlike Canon or Nikon where their camera bodies only accept lenses that have their own specific mount, Olympus is trying to create a universal mount where one can fit lenses by different manufacturers. And given the fact that this system was only introduced fairly recently as compared to Canon's EF mount or Nikon's F mount, the range of Four Thirds lenses would be considerably smaller.
But given time, this range will increase and probably surpass that of Canon's and Nikon's, since manufacturers will be competing for the same consumers.
And, Olympus DSLRs have sensor based Image Stabilization, not lens based.
The E-420 does not have IS while the bigger E-520 does have.
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post Dec 11 2008, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Dec 11 2008, 09:33 AM)
G10 is not a semi pro camera.
It's just a high end compact camera with a lot of features.
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post Dec 11 2008, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Dec 11 2008, 12:13 PM)
Hi guys, i love to take photograph every where i go, but my current camera cannot not satisfy me. Im using Sony T-200 now but the image produced is not nice. So i would like to try DSLR cameras. However, i totally have no idea about DLSR cameras. So i want a simple DSLR but yet packed with lots of features. Nvm the lens kit which allows u to zoom farther or whatsoever...coz i juz take photos at normal distance.

Type of camera/lens/accesories: DSLR
Budget: Below RM1000.00 to RM2000.00
Your Location: Kota Kinabalu
Preferable brand : no idea....u suggest
Type of photography u want to do : outdoor, shooting nice scene, potrait
Any specific models in mind? : Lx3
Any specific features u want? : erm..like enables u to focus on 1 object so that the background is blurred. yea i knw...most SLR are able to do this.
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First things first. The LX-3 isn't a DSLR. So if what you're interested in is something like the LX-3, you're probably looking for a high end compact camera that's packed with tons of features. Or if you WANT something that looks like a DSLR but not so complicated and expensive, you could look into bridge cameras.

About that feature that you wanted. Even the camera that you're using now can produce those kind of shots if you know how to. It doesn't depend on the type of camera used. It only depends on the aperture used when the shot was taken.
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post Dec 11 2008, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Dec 11 2008, 12:35 PM)
hmm...so wht does a DLSR can do, that a high end compact camera cant do? sry..newbie here
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Lenses on DSLRs can be interchanged for usage on different occasions. For example one might put on a wide-angle lens for landscape shots, then change it for a telephoto lens for wildlife shots.
This is the ultimate plus side of DSLRs, and also its biggest deterrent for users looking to explore the DSLR world.
While the ability to change lenses for different occasions is good, those lenses don't come along cheap. In fact lenses are the most expensive part of DSLRs. Ask any professional photographer, he will tell you that he spent far more on lenses than on camera bodies.
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post Dec 11 2008, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Dec 11 2008, 01:25 PM)
so lenses are the main part of DSLRs.... So wht do u recommend for entry-level like me? budget 1k to 2k.... Thx in advance...
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If you're interested in getting a lot of lenses and looking forward to a wide range of lenses, Nikon and Canon are the two main brands in the market that offer this.
But if you're planning on sticking to only a few lenses, then you could look at DSLRs by Sony, Pentax and Olympus.
So far Sony has the cheapest entry level DSLR, the A200 which you can get brand new for around RM1.5k
Other entry level models include Nikon's D60, Canon's 1000D, Pentax's K200D, Olympus' E-420/520. All of which are located more or less in your price range.
I really cant recommend any specific models to you. It's up to you to test them out and see which one you like more.
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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Dec 11 2008, 02:45 PM)
thx! i will check them out....thx for the recommendation.


Added on December 11, 2008, 3:11 pmhow much is 1000d and d60 now?
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The 1000D is around RM1.9k now while the D60 should be down to around RM1.7k
Not sure about it though, you've gotta check on that.
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post Dec 12 2008, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(applecrazy @ Dec 12 2008, 12:39 PM)
thanks. cant seem to find a good bargain 400d that fits my budget.

another newer(less than 1 year, less than 1k sc) 350d came along. selling at rm1550. thoughts?
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The 350D has a lower dynamic range compared to more recent models.
I think you'd be better off getting a new A200.

QUOTE(wilsonjack228)
how about considering Canon 400D , its newer compare to 350D smile.gif i think 2nd hand is selling around RM1400-+
well , are u investing more into ur DSLR or just one time thingy ? if not then Sony will be better .
If u are going to invest more , then consider Canon , cause there are more lens (3rd party) available for canon compare to Sony icon_rolleyes.gif

Nonsense. Third party lens manufacturers always make lenses compatible with most mounts (Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, etc.)
It is Sony that has a narrower range of lenses compared to Canon or Nikon.
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QUOTE(SevereSuffering @ Dec 15 2008, 12:24 AM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories: PnS/Prosumer 
Budget: Not too sure. Hopefully below RM1500
Your Location: Selangor 
Preferable brand: No real preference 
Type of photography u want to do: Landscapes and probably wildlife 
Any specific models in mind?: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H50, Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ28 
Any specific features u want?: Ultra zoom, manual functions

Hey Guys, need some help here. I'm looking for a new camera by mid January. Generally I'm a newbie at photography and this will be my first digital camera blush.gif So I'm looking forward to some options here. As you can see, both my models that I have surveyed are ultrazoom cameras. I like the versatility of having extra zoom. The size or weight of the camera doesn't really matter.

Does anyone have experience between the two models mentioned? Which one is better? I'm open to every other suggestion and I do not want to restrict my choices to only these 2. I generally do not care for video at all. Is there any promotions going on? Also whats the importance of taking a RAW file? Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H50, I read, takes only JPEGs. I am an advanced Photoshop user and have done various postprocessing on JPEG files before but have had no experience with RAW. Thanks
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Yeah, I think it's a wise choice to go for a camera with manual functions. Even though not a DSLR, you'd still want manual functions.
A RAW file is basically raw data captured by the image sensor when you press that shutter button, down to every single photon. When you shoot in JPEG, there'd normally be various settings to be determined like sharpness, saturation, etc. This is because if you shoot in JPEG, the camera automatically throws away any data deemed not within the set parameters.
Thus, if you're trying to edit JPEG pictures, it will be harder as you're trying to recover something that is not there. However with RAW, every single bit of data is still intact, thus making post-processing more versatile.
So if you're the lazy type who just wants their photo straight out of the camera, then you could skip RAW, but if you dont mind spending a little more time post-processing your photos (like me smile.gif), then you might want to get a camera which shoots RAW.


Added on December 15, 2008, 1:36 pm
QUOTE(TheWandererX @ Dec 15 2008, 12:22 PM)

40D? It's around RM2k I think (not in shops anymore), while the 50D would be around RM5k for a new set. Depends on which kit you get.
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40D body is at least RM2800

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QUOTE(SevereSuffering @ Dec 15 2008, 01:41 PM)
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately as you know the LX3 does not have the zooming capabilities and the price is still too high for what it has to offer. But thats just me.
Anyone got a second opinion?
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I thought you were going for the FZ28? It's a pretty decent camera
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post Dec 15 2008, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(SevereSuffering @ Dec 15 2008, 06:37 PM)
Yeah. I might very well have my mind set on the FZ28 already. Thanks for the advice. Whats a recommended price range? Is there any recommended shops?
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Sorry dude, I've got no idea on the pricing of the FZ28 sad.gif
Maybe you can ask in the Panasonic Lumix thread? THey might be able to help. smile.gif

QUOTE(azrinarizz)
Thanks for the fast response. Between alpha 350 and canon 450 and 40D nikon
Which one should I go for.
I've made my mind for alpha 350. Any recommendation?
Which is more user friendly and cheaper when it comes to buying lense+must be good
Thanks laugh.gif

The Nikon D40 is outdated, therefore I feel not worth the money you're paying.
Well, if you've made your mind up about getting the a350, by all means get it! smile.gif

QUOTE(ajoy_sempoi)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR
Budget: around RM 1500
Your Location:KL, gombak
Preferable brand :nikon or sony
Type of photography u want to do : event and potrait
Any specific models in mind? : sony A200 and nikon D60
Any specific features u want? :

give me suggestion, place to buy..
if you could, can u all PM me
thanks!!!!
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With your budget I don't think you can get a new Nikon D60. So you might as well go for a new Sony A200.
The A200 is a very decent camera. With in-body stabilization, you get image stabilization for every lens that you use. smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2008, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(anaktaro @ Dec 15 2008, 09:54 PM)
hi. can someone give opinion. i have a budget around 1.8>2k. i'm considering to get Dslr which brand is the best?anyone have a better suggestion. can anyone help me. any help would be very much appreciated. thanks in advance..1 more things..why nikon always expensive compare to the other brand
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The same answer applies to this question. Why are Nike or Adidas products more expensive than other brands? It's not because their products are better, it might or might not be better than other brands. It's because Nikon is already an established brand in the market. Therefore their brand alone commands a higher price. You're actually paying for the brand when you purchase a Nikon or Canon camera.

There is no "best" brand in the market. Each brand has its own pros and cons. Canon and Nikon for example, have excellent reputation in their image quality, while Sony, Pentax and Olympus have in-body stabilization. Not that I'm not implying that Sony or Pentax or Olympus' image quality is bad.

For your budget, there are a few DSLRs in the current market, I'll mention a few that I know the price.
Canon 1000D - RM1.9k
Nikon D60 - RM1.8k
Sony A200 - RM1.5k
Sony A350 - RM1.9k

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QUOTE(ad3rb33n @ Dec 15 2008, 10:15 PM)
The above mentioned prices are with kits? Where can get these price; Low Yatt? Thx in advance.........
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With their respective kit lens smile.gif
Actually you can get these prices at most camera shops. I'm only making a rough estimate. The prices shouldn't stray too far from the prices I quoted.
You just gotta ask around and find the shop that offers you the best deal smile.gif
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QUOTE(azrinarizz @ Dec 15 2008, 10:52 PM)
The sony alpha 350 lens is hard to get
D80 nikon how much market price?
I checked is around 3.5k
My range is around 2k
So far 350 comes in mind
Any other camera like the 350 but easier to find lense?
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The statement that lenses for Sony DSLRs is pure rubbish.
It's true that Sony's range of lenses is smaller than Canon or Nikon's, but Sony does still have a decent range, more than enough for beginners like us.
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QUOTE(TheWandererX @ Dec 16 2008, 12:05 AM)
It isn't rubbish. When you want to upgrade to a full-frame DSLR you'll feel the pain because the a900 won't even go near the 1D/1Ds Mark III.

On the other hand, Canon EF lenses are used for every kind of body, whether cropped or not. Full-frame can use it and APS-C sensors can use it too.

Base your statements on a foundation before criticizing.
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Sony also has their own lens lineup. Contrary to what you think that Sony is a newbie to the DSLR market, Sony has actually bought over Konica Minolta, and Sony DSLRs can be fitted with Konica Minolta lenses. This being said, it's good to note that Konica Minolta was already in the SLR market since 1985. And that's also 2 years before Canon introduced its EF mount system.
Along with Canon's EF-S lenses, Sony has it's DT lenses too for digital SLRs.
What I am basing my statements on are pure logic and facts, and from what I've been seeing, you've been rejecting anything that isn't a Canon or a Nikon.

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QUOTE(ad3rb33n @ Dec 16 2008, 09:36 AM)
I agree with joyy the facet that cause Sony actually bought over Konica Minolta cause i read it before some where. I think it just matter of time that Sony can catch up with the big name. Yet, in my opinion as Sony DSLR product line started to get to gain popularity same level with the big name, the price usually MIGHT tend to go up. For e.g. its laptop, it always expensive than equivalent brand such as Toshiba; BTW, this always happen due to branding which equal to today Canon and Nikon.

Anyway, what happen to Olympus? Why no1 talking abt it? it also in that imaging industry quite long time; establish since October 12, 1919(from Wikipedia). But it seem that Olympus is also new in DSLR?

I also thinking of getting a entry-level DSLR so I want to know all my available choice before I make my decision.

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Although Olympus has been making cameras since 1919, it didn't start making autofocus SLR cameras until it launched the Four Thirds System, which was around 2003. So in this sense, Olympus is pretty new in the DSLR market.
Olympus does have some pretty decent entry level models, namely the E-420 and the E-520.
Since we're looking at entry level models, Pentax is a good brand too. Their entry level models include the K200D and the K100d.

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