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Buying Advice Wanna buy New Camera? Undecided which to choose?V2, ASK HERE! Dont create a thread elsewhere

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post Jan 14 2009, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jan 14 2009, 07:57 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR camera
Budget: rm1500
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : Nikon or Sony or Canon
Type of photography u want to do : events,  view, potrait,
Any specific models in mind? : d40, d60,

would like to trade with my ps3. smile.gif
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If you're really into Nikons, then get a used D60. If you are open to other choices though, the Sony a200 will fit your budget perfectly.
I recommend you to sell your PS3 first if you're really keen on photography.
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post Jan 15 2009, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jan 14 2009, 10:55 PM)
yeah. im really keen on photography. haha


Added on January 14, 2009, 10:59 pma200 or d40? im onto 2ndhand.
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If 2nd hand, get the D60, if you're really interested. It should last you for a while - but if you can afford it go for the D80 as it has in-body stabilization if I'm not wrong.

QUOTE(jep6661 @ Jan 15 2009, 12:26 AM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : Dlsr
Budget: RM 2300
Your Location: Ipoh/KL
Preferable brand :  Nikon or Canon
Type of photography u want to do :  anything
Any specific models in mind? :  D60,D80,400D,450D
Any specific features u want? :
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With your budget you can get a 1000D/D60... or a D80 body.

The 400D also is possible - but it's quite old already. If you really want to get something like it, topup a few hundred more and get the 450D.
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QUOTE(qiuhuek @ Jan 16 2009, 01:44 AM)
Type of camera: DSLR
Budget : <2k
Your Location : PG
Preferable brand : Canon, Sony, Nikon
Type of photography u want to do : anything/everything
Any specific models in mind? : Sony A200, Nikon D40 & Canon 1000D
Any specific features u want? : DSLR which suite for beginner, durability, flexibility for me to expand needs (play around with some special effect by changing filter n so on), wide range of accesories (lens) & reasonable price.
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All of the above matches your needs. You have to consider though - D40 only has 6 megapixels and the Sony is a new entry into the DSLR market so it us recommended to get the Canon.
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post Jan 17 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(biscut_87 @ Jan 17 2009, 10:14 AM)
haha sorry for that, but how about in the future when i wanna upgrade the lens? is the a200 worth it or better try for Nikon or Canon?
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If you do have/want to upgrade to other lenses in the future, more lenses are available for Canon/Nikon, so you don't need to worry about not finding the lens. Only have to worry about the $$$ needed to buy the lens. Later on when th normal lenses don't satisfy you as much anymore.... the poison starts... whistling.gif

Sony/KM lenses are really hard to come by in shops, though there are quite a few traders selling it in Garage Sales, or in PhotoMalaysia or ShutterAsia. It is all up to you whether you can source out the good deals (for Sony/KM lenses). Usually prices for the Canon/Nikon compatible lenses are more competitive, so you get lower prices from the real market price and freebies too wink.gif
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post Jan 17 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Jan 17 2009, 02:01 PM)
but i heard tat sony isnt tat good? and im just a beginner..not goin to be "hardcore" photographer..so u tink a200 wud be the best for my budget?
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Entirely up to you if you prefer Sony.

Sony is a new entry in the DSLR market so it's performance may not be up to par with Canon or Nikon. Choose wisely because once you make your choice it is really hard to jump ship. It will cost you a bomb if you want to - you might even end up eating grass for the rest of your life...
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post Jan 17 2009, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Jan 17 2009, 04:30 PM)
hi wandererx..thx for the tips..im nw tinkin if D60 wud be a better choice or Sony..i have read reviews..some agree tat sony is btter bt some agree tat d60 is better..nw havin a big confusion..
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It really is up to you. The answer is subjective - some people might say Nikon is better, and some may say Sony is.

QUOTE(malayneum @ Jan 17 2009, 05:38 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories :  i dont know
Budget: RM2K+-
Your Location:   KL
Preferable brand : i dont know
Type of photography u want to do : im interested to do black and white pictures. photographing buildings, people, scenery. i wanna something thats very amateur, but looks very artsy. i dont need sharp bright or vivid color producing since i prefer to black and white.
Any specific models in mind? :  A200, because its cheap?
Any specific features u want? :  i dont know. very noob. but interested to capture photographs since i walk a lot, see places alot, see people alot, dont wanna miss them, plus i plan to go backpacking to all countries in this region. also must be able to take photograph from moving train or cars, is it called steadyshot?
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You have a few choices:

The Sony a200, the Nikon D60 or the Canon EOS-1000D.

It depends on you, as per to viruz's post.. All these cameras work superbly for their range.

QUOTE(biscut_87 @ Jan 17 2009, 05:43 PM)
This may sound silly but is Pentax available here?
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Yes, and if you go out, there is a thread for Pentax cameras. (If I'm not wrong)
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post Jan 17 2009, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Jan 17 2009, 07:11 PM)
wandererx..i wnana ask one thing..is live view reli tat important? cause if it is for beginner and for macro/outdoor shots..then i might as well jz get the sony a300..
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Live View isn't THAT important... unless you go to concerts where you stand up a lot and get blocked by tall people. Unpractical, a selling gimmick to me.

I use the VF (viewfinder) every time I take a shot. I trust my eyes most.

Apologies for the late reply.
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post Jan 17 2009, 11:56 PM

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No problems. Enjoy your camera smile.gif
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QUOTE(gyzhelee @ Jan 18 2009, 03:09 AM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories :DSLR
Budget: RM2K-RM3K
Your Location: Selangor
Preferable brand : Canon or Nikon
Type of photography u want to do : Macro shots, night shots,  landscape, portrait.
Any specific models in mind? : EOS 1000D, 450D(not familiar with nikon's model)
Any specific features u want? Image stabilisation

After checking all the replies in this thread, I have came across a few Nikon's model but I need recommendations.
My friend suggested me to get the Canon one because of the IS that comes along with the kit lens.
He said it's more worthy. I'm not very sure though.
What do you guys recommend for entry level? I'm planning to invest more on the lens/accessories to the body.
Thanks in advance.
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Invest more? Then get the 1000D, save the extra money for another lens.

Basically, the price for the 450D has just inflated - making it not worth your money, so just stick with the entry-level 1000D first, then play around with the lenses until you feel the urge to upgrade.

If you do upgrade your body, upgrade to a 50D/40D. You'll kill your pocket if you were to upgrade from 1000D-450D-50D.
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Jan 18 2009, 04:34 PM)
by that rationale, wouldnt it be better for me to get top of the line PnS instead?
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Top of the line PnS? You'll get fed up of the quality after a while.

My advice - is to get a setup similar to mine. Portrait lens, wide-angle walkaround, telephoto zoom, and a flash for low light. Every aspect of photography (except macro) is possible with this setup.
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QUOTE(gyzhelee @ Jan 18 2009, 11:09 PM)
450d's price inflated? Hmm..seems like 1000d is more worthy.
TheWandererX, I see that you are using a 1000d, how is it? You don't plan to upgrade the body anymore?
Because I saw you bought a few lenses already. Oh ya, by the way, you are using Nissin speedlite, is it cheaper?
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Will, in the future, when I can earn my own money whistling.gif

The Nissin Speedlite is around RM450... with a 580exII's price you could buy 3 of these. In my opinion I don't need that longrange from my flash, so I went with the Nissin.

It's definitely a buy worth it's money.

QUOTE(zero_hour @ Jan 19 2009, 03:56 AM)
emm Pentax K200D,
same level as Nikon D60,Canon 450D,Olympus E520,but better built quality...
is it worth it?lens 3rd party easy to get since many shop can order it(sigma/tamron)..
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Sigma/Tamron, in my opinion, can't fight with our Canon lenses.

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QUOTE(@meno @ Jan 19 2009, 09:15 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR 
Budget: Between RM2k-3k
Your Location: Penang 
Preferable brand : Nikon or Canon 
Type of photography u want to do : Whatever type
Any specific models in mind? : D80, anyone knows if it's still possible to find new ones? 
Any specific features u want? : Nothing in specific, just the best value for money in that range.

Can anyone help recommend something reasonable to be considered.
I've looked around and it seems my choices are down to the D80 and also the 450D.
Is there any other models or upcoming models which i should be looking at when i drop by the photo shops?

Thanks in advance.
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I recommend you to get the 1000D if you're still new to the DSLR world.

If you're experienced though, you might want to consider the D80 (body only, cheapest) or the 450D.
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post Jan 19 2009, 10:24 PM

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Something just like your PnS. Image displayed on the LCD screen.

Practically useless in my opinion - I don't use it.
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QUOTE(hosay @ Jan 20 2009, 08:16 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR
Budget: RM2K-3K
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : Canon/Nikon/Sony
Type of photography u want to do :  use for event and travel, Potraits?
Any specific models in mind? : Canon 1000D / 450D, Sony A300
Any specific features u want? : live view.

Compare below 2 camera, which one is more worthy?
Canon 1000D+4GB+tripod+bag = RM1999
Canon 450D+4GB+tripod+bag = RM2699
(Just a few different from spec, but $ wise different a lot)

How u guy think about Sony A300? Bcoz it looks more worth for money if compare the spec from paper.
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I recommend you to go for the 1000D as a starter first. Learn up, and then when you want to upgrade, get the 40D/50D. That's your best bet. Use the RM700 (topup a bit) to get a 55-250mm lens and you have an all-range kit.

QUOTE(toblerone @ Jan 20 2009, 08:34 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories :  DSLR / please suggest lens type and model wit price
Budget:
Your Location:   Langkawi
Preferable brand :  Canon / Nikon
Type of photography u want to do :  Macro / Nature / people
Any specific models in mind? :  400D or 1000D
Any specific features u want? : 
just wanna know, which of this is a good buy? i'm going to make a big decision as its gonna be my very first DSLR!
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First DSLR? Then I'd recommend the 1000D - it's the best starter kit you should get. RM2k.

QUOTE(-Dan @ Jan 20 2009, 10:02 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR
Budget: RM1k-2k
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : Canon/Nikon/Sony
Type of photography u want to do :
Any specific models in mind? :
Any specific features u want? : Live view.

Hi, guys. First of all, I'm a newbie to the DSLR scene. I've seen quite a few camera's pop up in this thread and one which interested me was the Sony A200. The only thing is, if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't have live view, which is a sort of downside for me. Wondering what recommendations you guys can give me. Thanks in advance. smile.gif
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If you can afford RM2k, go for the 1000D/D60, they're far better over the a200. Anyway, live view is sort of a supplementary item - so if you don't have it you'll still do fine.

Overall, the D60/1000D performs best in the entry-level range.
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post Jan 21 2009, 04:26 PM

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type of camera/lens/accesories : PnS/Prosumer
Budget: RM1K-1.5K
Your Location: PJ
Preferable brand : Any
Type of photography u want to do : people,events n else.
Any specific models in mind? :
Any specific features u want? :

I'm new here,
May I know what is the different btw PnS and Prosumer?
both cam features about the same.

And,
the face detection is it almost every cam also have this features d?


PnS is a normal camera for all-use. Prosumer has more PRACTICAL functions than the PnS, like manual shutter/aperture, etc.

Try going for the Panasonic Lumix FZ28 or if you can bump your budget up, get the Lumix LX3.

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Thanks, TheWandererX, for the recommendation. I'll start looking for either.


Sure, do tell me when you do purchase it.

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hi i just want to know..
is the camera price going to down or increase..
because if it's going to increase i need to buy immediately using cc..
if it's not then i need to save money and buy by mid of this year..
by the way i planned to buy Canon 450D..

any advice?


Heard that the price has increased for new stock. I recommend you to get it now.

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QUOTE(x_far_x @ Jan 21 2009, 06:13 PM)
I have a question about the 1000d.  It says that it doesn't have spot metering, what is that and how can it be useful (or not) in practice?  Thanks!

-FaR
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Spot metering, taken from wikipedia:

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Spot metering is very accurate and is not influenced by other areas in the frame. It is commonly used to shoot very high contrast scenes. For example, if the subject's back is being hit by the rising sun and the face is a lot darker than the bright halo around the subject's back and hairline (the subject is "backlit"), spot metering allows the photographer to measure the light bouncing off the subject's face and expose properly for that, instead of the much brighter light around the hairline. The area around the back and hairline will then become over-exposed. Spot metering is a method upon which the zone system depends.


I don't think I need that.
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QUOTE(terryfoo @ Jan 21 2009, 08:02 PM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR camera
Budget : RM2000 include kitlens
Your Location : KL
Preferable brand : Nikon
Type of photography u want to do : Landscape
Any specific models in mind? : duno, waiting for suggestion, i'm a new person going to get a DSLR
Any specific features u want? : more than 9 focus point.

any good DSLR for a beginner ?
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For a beginner, 7 AF points is enough. Too many AF points and you'll start to use your DSLR like a PnS.

Get the D60, or if you would consider Canon, the EOS-1000D.

QUOTE(Zeegon @ Jan 21 2009, 08:16 PM)
Ok. I'm looking for an entry-level DSLR.
My budget is RM2000 including kit lens.
I was planning to get an A200 dual kit lens.
My friend told me not to get an A200. He said the re-sale value is low. But I don't plan on selling my cam.
He suggested D60/1000D body only without the kit lens and buy another better lens.
So how now? doh.gif

Type of camera/lens/accesories :  D60/1000D/A200
Budget: RM2000
Your Location:   KL
Preferable brand :  Sony
Type of photography u want to do :  Small events (Night parties with low-light condition), Holidays pictures, Landscape, Candid, Random close-up shots of objects, those shots with slow-shutter and long exposures.
Any specific models in mind? :  Sony A200
Any specific features u want? :  Good focus, good iso, low sound when high iso, future lens upgrade hopefully cheap.

According to my friend, there are like some AP sets of DSLRs?
He told me if I go lowyat, all of them are fake. True?

I hope you guys can give me the specific location of the shops suggested.

It would be good if you can reccomend me a DSLR model along with some good lens and the price as well; for future upgrades.

Thanks in advance  biggrin.gif

EDIT: I'm a beginner to DSLR photography, so bear with me  tongue.gif
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I'd recommend the D60/1000D for your future. These two are reasonably priced DSLRs and are very good ones - enough to satisfy your needs till L pops up.

As I have posted many times before - Sony is a new entry to the DSLR market so it's not recommended to go with them first - let them stabilise before buying Sony DSLRs.
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QUOTE(Soony @ Jan 21 2009, 09:29 PM)
This is quite a bias comment you know? Sony is not new into DSLR , they inherited Konica Minolta's technologies which is comparable with Canon and Nikon at the same time they are quite good.

Since you've posted many times before so I'll just let this pass by.. sigh by the look at this thread =.=

What I can tell to the rest who wants a reccomendation about cameras.. Go out and test it , hold it and feel it. If it suits u then it suits u.. if not then just move on. Asking for relevant information in Lowyat sometimes might be insufficient.
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It's not bias. So you tell me - you inherit a business from your father and you call yourself a seasoned, veteran businessman when you've just merely acquired the company?

I have no comments against Konica Minolta - they produce fine cameras, but Sony just bought the TECHNOLOGY over, not the STAFF, the ones which produce the brilliant ideas.

Since Sony has produced the Alpha - they have just used KM technology and Sony's ideas. Does NOT mean that it's going to be the best.

QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 21 2009, 09:44 PM)
Sony A200/Nikon D60/Canon 1000D, all will work juz fine, i doubt u can tell the diff. Sony has the highest number of AF-9points
Again, i'm using sony myself, no complains. U can view the Sony's thread and gauge how 'good' it is. Put it this way, d60/1000d have their pros n cons too..
mm i noticed ur partly one sided, recommending 1000d as always. I guess u know Sony was from Konica Minolta rite? Ur point on having Too Many AF points with PnS, i don really get what ur trying to say. Having 9AF points IS useful. Let's say ur limited to a composition area, and if the subject is not insight of the AF points, ur AF area is not covering the subject. this is when more AF points is useful  whistling.gif
Lol, can't agree much with you. well, if u noticed it was always 1000d  doh.gif
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If you have too many AF points, you probably won't make full use of it if you're still a newbie to the DSLR world - therefore, you'll be using the DSLR with so many AF points just like how you would use a PnS...

QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 21 2009, 11:30 PM)
Quoted for truth.
I myself am a Canon user, but I always encourage people to look at the A200.
Unlike what toblerone said, I on the other hand think that Sony PnS are lousy and not worth a second look.
It's good to know that Konica Minolta ventured into the DSLR market earlier than both Canon and Nikon, which followed suit only a few years later.  doh.gif
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As quoted in my first reply, Sony bought over Konica Minolta, they did not send all their DSLR staff to go learn from them. They just bought the blueprints and branded it with a new name - they didn't make it on their own. Their newer models are using bits and pieces they are learning from the older blueprints.
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 22 2009, 12:20 PM)
Believe it or not, from my experience from my last trip, i found the 9AF points is really useful. Newbie myself, but from what i understand, if ur limited to a framed composed shot, and ur AF doesn't not cover the subject, this is where more AF points come to play.
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9AF is useful - but what about those 51-point AF (if I'm not wrong, I remember these two have LOTS of AF points) on the 5D/1D MkIII? If those gets in newbies' hands, they won't be able to even utilize half of the number..
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QUOTE(@meno @ Jan 22 2009, 05:01 PM)
You're comparing a Wira to a Ferrari.
Please make reasonable comparisons, the discussion was about entry level, so why bring in and MKIII or a D3x, it's not relevant.

Anyway, imho, most entry DSLRs have their own pros and cons.
Be it the Sony A200 or the D60, they're good cams.
I personally find the 1000D less appealing, but it's a personal opinion here.

The A200 had proven to be a value for money model.
Technically, it's either on par or better than the Nikon and Canon entrys.
In terms of price, it's better than the Nikons and Canons.
And with Konica Minolta technology, i don't think you can really screw up that badly.

Oh another thing, Sony bought over Konica Minolta and used that piece of technology to produce the Alphas.
You can't just compare that to inheriting a business, again, not relevant comparison.
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Ok then, I might as well stop - because this is going to lead to a mod coming in and cleaning this up.

I have one last word to say though - everyone has different opinions, so we are entitled to voice out our own opinions.

Just quoted from the Guidelines:

1) "Fanboyism" is prohibited. No brand wars here.

I am sorry if I have offended any Sony users here, but I just follow a basic rule - what you pay is what you get.

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