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"I must admit, I don't consider myself an expert - instead, I am just a person who loves pets and wants to encourage people to feed their pets a natural and wholesome diet. There are many who are far more of an expert than I ever will be.

When it comes to serious health problems like this, I always encourage people to get professional advice simply because I am not qualified to answer and I am not a healer - instead, I try to assist people by providing information that can help them make better decisions.

But in my years of experience I have realized that many people have different views on what constitutes a wholesome diet and so there will always be people who don't share the same view as you or I regarding the benefits of a raw meat diet.

In my years of experience, what I have also realized is that many dogs and cats are sick today due to generations of poor and unhealthy diets. All you need to do is look at how many vet clinics there - I personally see more vet clinics than human clinics and the reality is that most pets are still fed commercial diets.

But what I've realized is that since so many pets are sick due to generations of poor diets, there are cases when a natural raw meat diet simply is not enough. There are also cases when a person has no choice but to feed a cooked meat diet simply because the pet is too weak to eat raw. I've experienced a few situations like this - not many, but enough to make me realize that each situations needs to be viewed with an individual viewpoint.

Whether this cat has coccidiosis, I don't know. There can be many things happening. Everyone says that raw meat can lead to food poisoning, as an example, yet many pets eating cooked meat diets get food poisoning and nobody blames cooked meat or commercial pet foods for the problem.

So it is unfair to blame raw meat. Many dogs and cats are sick today while eating commercial pet foods and cooked meat diets. Health problems can happen at any time, for any reason - regardless of the diet fed.

I always tell people that the reason why I feed a natural raw meat diet is not because I expect my pets to always be healthy but rather because I want to minimize as many health problems as possible. The reality is though, with age and other factors, all pets will eventually get sick to some degree - some worse than others - regardless of what diet you feed. I feed a natural raw meat diet because I believe that by doing so I give my pets a chance to be healthy - while when you feed a commercial diet or even cooked meat, you only give your pets a chance to be sick.

The funny thing about health is that you can never know when you have been successful because no problems materialize. But as soon as there is a problem, people say "see, it doesn't work", yet how many problems have been avoided? You can never know and you will never know how beneficial your healthy approach to feeding has been - yet in your heart, you will know the truth about a raw meat diet.

I've personally been feeding raw meat diets now for 19 years and I've helped many people switch to raw. In all my years, only a small percentage have had difficulties with a natural raw meat diet - while the rest do quite well. Unfortunately, people are attached to the idea of what health should be rather than embrace health as it is - not as we want, hope or expect it to be, but as it is. This is when and where debates happen.

So myself, while I promote a raw meat diet, this might be a situation in which the person might have to feed cooked until the body is stabilized especially since this person seems to have limited resources.

For me personally, in this situation I would do whatever it takes to get the body stable. Once stable then I would begin rebuilding the health and constitution of the cat. But what I would do or what you would do to help create stability might be, would be and probably should be different to what this person does simply because we have access to more resources, funding, education, experience, availability to remedies, etc.

If this person had access to homeopathic remedies, as an example, or something like colloidal silver then I would be using them - but I don't think this person does.

Saying all of this, sometimes during a detox, the body will vomit. In addition, during a detox the body can get worse before it gets better. My own dog, that I rescued from the streets of the Philippines, went through a 6 week detox recently yet because I've been following her health since the day I rescued her, I knew it was a detox. But is this cat going through a detox? Hard to say.

I would need more information such as how long has the dog or cat been eating a raw meat diet for, etc before I could even guess if it was a detox. But it is always hard for me to guess if someone else's dog or cat is going through a detox because you also need to know the history, the personality, the characteristics, etc to make a good guess.

In some cases, when a dog or cat is fed a raw meat diet for the first time the digestive system is weak and that leads to vomiting. In this case, I just add extra pancreatic derived enzymes to the diet and then the vomiting stops. But this person is saying their cat is very ill and so we don't know if they are just panicking or if the cat is just detoxifying.

The challenge is that detoxification and illness appear to be the same - yet one means the body is getting healthier while the other means the body is getting weaker. But the activated charcoal will probably help clean up some bacteria if that is the problem.

What we also don't know is if this cat is an indoor or outdoor cat? The reality is that in Asia there is a lot of rat poison and some people purposely poison pets. It's for this reason that I personally have my cats locked into my yard in the Philippines because I don't want them to escape and eat rat poison. One of my friends in Indonesia had several cats die to rat poison.

So it is difficult to know what is happening and while I believe a raw meat diet is beneficial, this person has some challenges and so does their cat.

In situations like this, I often refer people to someone like Dr. Kim, a naturopathic vet:

Aspenbloom Pet Care

You might actually want to send her an email to get her input as well. Now she's an expert

But without more details, everyone is just guessing as to the problem."

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Why Feed Natural Homemade Pet Food

That's it? All the scholarly talk and you are going to end it like a little troll?

Yippee!!!
finally, stray dog Woody has succumb to raw food diet that i have diligently prepared for him
SO HAPPY!
firstly, i would like to give thanks to Rayne for helping me with the start up, couldn't have made it easier
so to all starters out there, if you ever need any help, i am glad to do so

however, an obstacle arise again...
CNY is coming and i'll be away for a week, so are my neighbours (vegetarians, so they can't handle meat...)
any suggestions on how i can feed Woody while i'm away?
neighbour suggested last resort: FEED DRY COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD!
so i'm all out to listen to any suggestions!
please advice

oh ya btw, chicken going at rm3.78/kg at mydin~
went and got 3.8kg at rm13, made 13meals for Woody

Anyone can share a simple recipe that is hassle free to prepare for my 8 months old Alaskan Malamute? Would like to try a BARF diet for him.

what info have you collected from the above discussions?

anyone know where can i get meat + bone grinder?

Wonder anyone still comes to this threat??
I'm also a raw feeder, but I'm more into Prey Modal Diet..
Any raw feeder/ BARFer from or around puchong? I'm thinking about getting few more raw feeder and to variety of fresh meat in bulk ( for better price) and split among us.. Anyone?
I'm feeding poultry mainly, but looking for lamb/ mutton, rabbit and other meats.

where to buy the barf diet and i would like to have the ingredients.
please anyone provide me the ingredients. tq

Hi, i want to start on the raw feed for my dog. I would like to share with you if you still looking. I'm staying at Bukit Jalil.

yup, still coming back to this thread to look see look see hahaha,
yeah, i'm currently also feeding only fresh chicken bought from mydin but will be moving soon, making buying chicken a little bit more difficult
but bought myself a chest freezer just for little doggie so that can stock up alot
need stock up so that no need make frequent round to hypermarket.

About the sharing of meat, how does it work?

Chicken only is not that good, read meat has much more nutrients.
My dog lost weight when I changed her from mixture to chicken only meal of the same weight. Why I did that was because there were some controversy about Indian buffalo.

hi there xecton!
i knw chicken is not as good when compared to red meat,
but it is the meat that i can afford as i am still student,
just adopted this stray when bandaran ppl came over to catch dogs in the neighbourhood i'm currently residing in
ever since then, he has been neutered, trained and exercised everyday
what meat would you recommend which is easily available?
i also homemake dog shampoo consisting of amway gentle on skin soap, apple cider vinegar.
when i feed him raw meat i will also add in a tablespoon of acv, his coat now so soft to touch! prevents ticks too!

hi thanks for the reply.
Mind sharing what do you usually get for your dogs?

Sharing of meat as in, anyone found good deals in meat/ parts, spread the words and others pull in together to buy in bulk to keep cost lower.
ie. I got good deals on freshly slaughtered green tripe last month selling at RM15/kg, but if buy more than 5kg will be RM12/kg, but I need only 2kg, so maybe Mr A wants to have a share of 1kg, and Ms B wants another 2kg....etc

OMG nice to see people feeding raw to their fur kids locally. I'll check out this forum more closely. hello happy to meet u all, i have a 6 months old husky. I just started feeding raw to him 2 days ago. but seems like hes craving for more food. I stick to the rule of 2% of his weight daily. should i feed him more or its just his old diet habit that will go off in time?

As well as meat sharing, i like to join as well just to get cheaper meat for him. thank you.

My understanding of these percentage rules is this:
Feed puppies 10% of their current weight.
When that 10% exceeds the 2% of their ideal weight, then switch to 2% of their ideal weight.
That said, understand that each dog will have different body and weight, so you can adjust accordingly.
These percentage rules are a guideline only, not hard rules.

Hi nice to see someone replied. Thank you very much. My puppy is 20kg now. If i fed 10% then i would be 2kg, thats a whole chicken :woot: lol. Ideal weight is 28kg and 2% is 560 or 600gms daily. I just fed him breakfast meal a whole drumstick plus the thigh which is nearly 500gms plus an egg. I will see how he reacts later on.

And between his poop been kind of watery with mucous. Its been day 3 feeding on raw no kibbles at all. The diarrhea starts ytd afternoon. Is this okay and normal?