Why grind? Let the small ones work their teeth also.

I assume you guys have a meat grinder at home?
Any small meat grinder models for home use can recommend? Price?

Why do you want to grind meat? Let them eat as it is lah.

Because the bones ungrinded will tear the intestines. My case is cat already got intestinal problems, barf is next effort after already feeding grain-free food.

This post has been edited by chiiupe: Sep 16 2013, 06:39 PM

You want to grind meat or bone?
A slab of meat can help to clean the teeth but ground meat may stick to their teeth instead.

My old Chihuahua no more teeth liao

My Maltese teeth very, very tiny.

I have consulted a vet recently, and was told that chicken, especially those locally bred are prone to parasite infestation which does not die when it was frozen unless it is shock freeze or extreme temperature freezing for a certain period.

Such parasite will get transmitted to dogs which get stuck on their throat and causes tumors to grow due to the dog's allergic reaction. Cant remember the parasite in detail, but it was rampant during the 70s when there arent many choices of dog food around.

So he advised me against feeding totally raw chicken from malaysia. Perhaps new zealand beefs and meats but not chicken from malaysia. What are your thoughts on this guys?

There are pros and cons for both raw and processed food. For my dogs who had been fed with raw chicken for many years, so far their blood test no problem and they rarely fall sick. Raw chicken I can make sure I grind the whole chicken which means more balanced but if you were to feed beef, the concern will be which part of the meat? How do you grind the bone? There must be solutions, perhaps you can research more on that and share with us.

i have my concerns in regards to feeding raw, due to the quality of the chicken here in malaysia which i think we are all aware, is not in the most ideal living condition.

So, the concern of raw feeding in malaysia is definitely the source of the meat which may be contaminated by parasites, what was suggested by the vet was to lightly steam it to kill the parasites. How does barf feeder here considered these areas of concern?

As for bones, the same vet told me to slow cook the bones in water to make a chicken broth so its so brittle that it is not harmful to consume, and the calcium will be absorbed through the broth. I have fed my dog drumstick bone (once), which i later realised is incorrect and decided not to anymore, in view of the parasite concern if i feed the bones raw and if i cooked them they ll be hazardous.

I have tried making that by grinding the chicken carcass, which includes, bones, backs and ribs in minced form and boil it for 12 hour with a slow cooker. I can testify the the bones will be too soft to do any harm. I felt that it will be safer to let the dog consume it in this form. But as for calcium absorbtion in broth form, i m still not sure to what extent was this true.

I fed my dog a lightly boiled (to kill off any parasites or germs) pork bone (large enough not to swallow) and fed it to my dog. No problem with it breaking it does not break that easily if it was just lightly boiled. The gums and teeth were apparently cleaner after a gnawing session.

Hope some veterans here can share with me regarding barf feeding experience, as i m not convinced to feed my dog raw meat from our local supplies. I might opt to get it lightly cooked as and alternative.

This post has been edited by Mr. Z: Feb 19 2014, 06:33 PM

i serve everthing raw.. nothing cooked at all.. after all BARF diet means Biologically Appropriate Raw Food.. cooked bones breaks easier in their intestine apparently.. read up lots of articles saying that actually.. cooked food contains less nutrients thus its not encourage and it has less water content inside thus creating the kibble problem (drinking lots of water because its dry)

the bacterias dont harm the dog like it harms us humans because their stomach is more acidic than ours and their intestinal tract is much shorter thus less chance for bacteria lingering around

my dogs have been on such diets almost since they were born.. doing very well and can see the difference in their coating (shiny appearance and smooth hair) compared to others since they are adopted mutts..

This post has been edited by ~Battousai~: Feb 20 2014, 10:03 AM

Agree. The reality is most vets are not equipped with knowledge of raw feeding hence it is difficult to rely on them regarding raw feeding. I believe at the end of the day, it is the real life experience that counts. Do more research. If you find that most of the raw feeders do not complain about dog being infected by these parasites through out the years of feeding raw, then perhaps the risk is low. Of course, if you find it otherwise, then it should be a concern. Do the same research for kibble feedings, you can find more extensive information since kibble feeding had been here for a long, long time.

Again, pros and cons. Some of my dogs are being fed kibbles, there is no one diet that is good for all.

Hi guys, I have been feeding barf from this brand and it is not bad...results are good..it is called Naturaw, bought the raw food from Uptown Pet shop damansara, was recommended by the shop owner who feeds his dobermans the raw..it comes in a 300g tray, wonder if they have bigger packs..they have a FB fan page too www.facebook.com/naturawpetfood.

I m intend to change raw for my french bulldog and pugs.

What meat is most suitable and less allergy? Lamb ?

Any vet to recommend around Klang Valley, who's open minded when it comes to raw feeding?

Currently feeding my cat on raw food and canned food, and current vet disapproved vet swears strongly by kibbles (as some vets can be swayed by commercial brands), and I don't like the bias the vet has against any food other than kibbles. So far whenever we visit the vet with a problem, they would blame it on the food, and asked us to put our cat on kibbles.

Thinking of changing vet, at least there won't be this outright bias and immediate blame on food whenever we visit the vet. Hope to find a vet who's open-minded and preferably knowledgeable in the area of raw feeding.

That will depend on your animal.

Raw feeding is a very delicate matter, because not many people know how to balance the nutrients appropriately. It's not just "give my animal raw meat and change up the parts". Don't just go with "what meat most suitable, less allergy". Do your research.

This post has been edited by spunkberry: Aug 1 2014, 12:13 AM

Thanks. I changed to BARF for almost two weeks. Result is satisfying.

Hi,
Please can someone recommend a good quality grinder to process chicken meat and bones?
Thanks!

Am planning to get a dog soon, and also planning to start on the BARF diet. However, I'm also concerned about the state of Malaysia's chicken, and getting organic chicken will be too expensive. Is it still advisable?

Another question... some sites say not to include any vege at all in the diet because dogs are carnivourous, but some say include some vege into the diet. So should I include vege into the meal?

Am interested to know if there are any vets in KL/PJ who are open to the raw food diet as well... wouldnt want judgement from a vet on my choices if they are heavily biased (i'll confirm blow up at them lol)

Totally agree with this. a non-balanced nutrients is just as bad as kibble fed dogs. Took me months of research before I started raw feeding my puppy. 4 months into raw feeding. Couldn't be happier with the result.

May I know in malaysia what brand of Barf is available?