Yeah. Some are and some not. I found that being within the secondary school system mean Form 6 teacher are spread thin by their routine not only teaching Form 6 but also Form 4,5 and 3. They should only be specialise in Form 6 only. BUt some etacher aren't capable enough. Take my Chem teacher. He's a nice person but he could not even answer STPM question we show him. My sympathy for him for applying teacher too soon rather than get the Petronas job when he just enter our school.

Yes but sometimes this aren't happpening at least after STPM result are out. Some student can get good courses while a smart student get a lesser ones. I got a ex-schoolmate who get Food Science (or something) rather than being a Pharmacist he really wanted to be. Connection IS important (and race).

Yea, I have a former schoolmate (used to come from the neighbouring class) who was in a similar situation.

The Malaysian Government didn't think he's good enough for medic/pharmacy.

But the Japanese Government thought he is good enough to offer him the prestigious Monbukagakusho Scholarship. He'll be going to University of Tokyo now to do medic/pharmacy (not sure which one exactly). And yes, he is THAT good.

My point here is, STPM (not just A-lvl) can get you to almost anywhere you want, if you're good enough.

well, if you are good enough, eventhough you are not taking form 6,
you might get offered some scholarship as well, in overseas..

advantages of form 6
- one of the way to enter university. mostly everyone respect you for entering u
compare to college (people somehow will look down at you despite what course you taking)
- save $$

disadvantages
- if you did not do well in form 6, say bye bye to the u.
- a waste of time. some people get degree/ some professional qualifications in a shorter period.

Yes, it's always about being better than everyone else. lol

Saving $$$ is always good. Even giant corporations need to save money in a difficult time like this. What's more with average people? And we're not talking about saving $$$ and sacrificing quality. Form 6 is still a good pre-u programme that prepares top students well to go to top unis in the world every year.

And to your last sentence, yea, Form 6's longer duration has some opportunity costs associated with it. But it is still possible to go to most unis in the next academic year (after the academic year of graduation from STPM). For eg, most of the time, it is possible to go for 2009 intake in UK, Singapore, HK, Australia Sem 2 (for certain programmes) after you take your STPM in December 2008. Not sure about US tho. I think it's possible too but application timeline will be pretty tight.

But in my opinion, the benefits of F6 > the costs of studying longer. I'm biased tho cuz I was from F6.

This post has been edited by Tangiers: Jan 19 2009, 08:30 PM

i aso wan 2 go stpm next year...coz i wan 2 take dentistry degree course...no choice...i need 2 get at least 3.92 in my stpm....i must complete tis mission imposible.

I am run out of time now so i cant read all 7 pages. But i want to ask and clarify something because I am in dilemma between choosing form6 or other pre-U.

1. After taking STPM, and after the result is out, if i am not selected for IPTA or any local public universities, can i still use the STPM result to apply other private unis/colleges either locally or overseas?

2. Pengajiam AM is in Malay right? Can STPM candidates drop Pengajian Am subject? I know that A-levels can drop General Studies (same as pengajian am), but i don't know STPM can or not.

3. Do STPM candidates need to take english paper? or MUET? is it compulsory?

4. What is the mark for A, B, C and D?

5. The subjects like accounting/physics/chemistry/math etc are in english or malay?

5. How to apply Form 6? (I KNOW THIS IS NOOB QUESTION, BUT I'M LOST HERE, PLEASE HELP ME!)

Thanks yea, waiting for sifus and gurus to answer my questions. Thx again~

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Added on January 20, 2009, 12:21 pmAnyone can enlighten me on these questions please?

This post has been edited by JiaTern: Jan 20 2009, 12:21 PM

1. 100% Yes. It is internationally recognized. Some even accepted to Harvard.

2. Cannot. Its the core. If you fail it than you're 100% CANNOT enter public university (and private).

3. No but you're certificate will be hold on by university if you don't pass MUET.

4. I forgot but in STPM the A can be lower by 5 point. A=>80 A-=>70

5. You should get a letter from school that you're applicable to Form 6. It can either be your previous school or school in the district. If no one send, just go to the school office to enquiry them about Form 6. It's easy peesy.

Ohh thanks a lot. Now I am clear about that!

adv - cheap fees, skool environment, standardized exam, can enter local uni, can use results to enter prvt uni aswell.

disadv - super tough, chances of gettin local uni course of choice slim, skool environment, long duration compared to pre-U.

If u wish to further ur studies to tertiary school den u shld get pre-U. Alot ppl waste their 2 years for studying F6 but gt ntg till end. cgpa to low and local U nt recruit u, unless ur family gt alot $$ to sent u overseas.

for bumis form 6 of cos is a better choice..
but for us chinese and indians form6 isnt very good..
cos even if we manage to get a good result there's no guarantee we can get the course we wan..

my point of view..

adv:
saves money.. cost of uni..

disadv:
waste extra 1 year or more dependin on whether u fail o not..
the course u desire..

frm wat i heard stpm is the 2nd toughest examination in the world..
u need to hav the confidence in order to go to form6..
if not it's a waste of time..

anyway bout local uni...
the standard keep droppin..
i think i heard a survey made by some1 comparin the ministers in sg n msia..
all the sg ministers hav overseas certs..
and one msian minister(not sure who) hav the cert frm the uni he owns..

no offence meant.. but tis is the facts..

This post has been edited by compunoob46: Jan 20 2009, 06:40 PM

Hrmm... There's something I would like to say about the waste time if didn't get enough CGPA. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that that someone wouldn't do well in other courses as well if he fails MISERABLY in STPM?

Snap out of saying STPM is wasting time already. Pre-U's are supposed to take at least another year out of your life.

And getting a BCC result is good enough to enroll into private U degree courses that aren't too academic-intensive.

grades -> C- = principle pass aka ngam ngam pass. Any grade above is pass and any grade below is fail, or not good enough. C- is around 49-45. 5 marks for every grade above and below. 80 A, 75 A-, 35 D-.

enrollment -> can check thru the MOE webbie when the time comes (Mid May). Print out that letter can direct register in the school.

Regarding IPTA, I wouldn't count my future on them offering me a course. Sounds stupid to do F6 when I dun even count on IPTA, but I don't see why I can't. It's another Pre-U anyway.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Jan 20 2009, 09:30 PM

Regarding to this phrase "if you did not do well in form 6, say bye bye to the u ", I do not understand. Is it I cannot take my SPM result to apply for entering local university if my STPM result is bad? Hence, it is compulsory to take STPM result to apply it if you study Form six no matter how bad your STPM result is, right ?

i'm also curious with this....but personally i dont think if you have done stpm you can apply for university admission using spm result because stpm -----> degree whereas spm----->pre U.

I think what the bold line means will be if you did not do well in form 6, say bye bye to local uni only...however, think of it.....if you did badly in stpm, will other universities accept you? except you have money......

The problem right now is the money. While getting entrance to foreign/private U's is easy, paying it is not. The best thing to do is get a scholarship no matter where you heading to. Korea, Japan etc. have scholarship you could apply to. But than again, expense is needed to live in country. If out of luck with public U's and no money to burn , then just work first.

AGREED .

But only join FORM 6 if you're good and hardworking because I heard the exam paper is really hard. Even those top students at SPM level can't score good result at STPM.

So, join FORM 6 if you're really having good foundation during FORM 4 and FORM 5. Oh yeah, must hardworking if not you'll likely struggling just like my friend did .

Yes, and believe me when you're in Upper 6 and most of your old buddies in Form 5 getting places in UM/UKM and some even medicine course, you are going to be piss.

I got so many friends in medicine that I never thought they could be one. I think if you heading to course like Pharma, Medicine better take matriculation route. Even top scorer STPM in my school fail to get Pharmacy but a 7A1 SPM who get through Matriculation get Medicine.

I'm piss.

this is a early warning.....dont be surprised if you cant get what you want in local universities even though you excel in your study......it is too normal........

hey,
i've got a problem here.
i cannot decide which stream should i take if i am entering form6 this year.
I plan to do something in IT field.
So, is Science subjects a must for me if my interest is IT?
I've asked ppl around me, friends, teacher, seniors. Some of them say I can go art stream even if my interest is IT but some say I MUST go science if my interest is IT.
If possible i want to avoid the science subject. I'm very weak at chemistry but physic is ok.
the f6 school that i will be going made chemistry a must take subject in their science class.
So is there anyone out there that can give me some advice here?
is science subjs needed if my interest is "something" in IT field.

I don't like form6. taking my time.