hahahah...

gawd why can't you just understand that it's copyrighted materials
its not about how to use the cracked apps but how ethical it is for u as an end user.

even though our country is riddled with pirated stuffs, why can't we just move a step forward and do our own part to support originality?
again and again its about how u appreciate other people's work and come on u can buy a 3k phone but u r whining about paying a little bit more for that extra fun?
better sell your phone off and get a n96 then where all the applications are pre loaded

regulars here definitely have noticed the sudden outburst of new cracked apps threads by newbies, i even reported a few and why does the mods invisible-ed it and not the pawnage thread?

have some common sense, i doubt we all have with our lackadaisical attitudes around.

I think moderator is the right person to wrap up this post..

i do hope you edit your post, it just doesn't make any sense
and hey, here's a handkerchief...you're dribbling shit from your mouth literally.

i FULLY understand.. I think we should understand is hacking/cracking is legal.. I really cannot accept that cracking is illegal & hacking is legal... Both should be prohibited IF IT IS FOUND ILLEGAL

Woot...

It depends. I think u need to read back my post at the previous page. Jailbreaking ur iphone will void warranty but it is not illegal, u own the iphone, u can do whatever u like, so it is legal, unless u abuse it or use it for crime and etc. For example, u buy a new laptop, u open it and modify the hardware inside, of course u r allowed to do so but just that u will loose ur warranty. Now do u get it my dear sugen? (sugarcane)

1. cracked apps r pirated stuff
2. pirated stuff is stolen frm others
3. stealing is an offence, hence prosecuted
4. JB is not stealing...more of tweaking or technical altering...
5. JB is no offence = cant be charge...
6. if cant be charged, plead not guilty...

IMO... Cracking is a part of Hacking...

Mind to explain?

Seems like there are still some people that does not have a firm grasp between hacks and cracks.

Let me put it in the simplest way that even a level 1 spore can understand:
"hacking is not cracking"

U cannot put hacking/cracking together as both are different. Just an example, "muslim can't drink tea/beer because it's Haram". Both elements are different. One is halal (legal) and the other is haram (illegal) although both are drinks. Sorry for the anology ... can't think of anything better.

Yes hacking can be in a grey area since we have the white hats and the black hats (google that up). White hats will hack to test the system for vulnerablities so they can improve the security or program. Black hats hack a system for a more malicious reason. Asking for money or defacing a website or putting in a trojan. The dev team are more to the white hats, hacking the phone to make it better, not to harm anyone. If u still say hacking is illegal then the HackTheBox (or something like it) event which is endorsed by the information technology ministry is illegal? Even giant software company held hacking competition for hackers to hack their system/software.

Crack or cracking is an act of alatering a software so it can be use without permission hence its illegal. No matter how u look at it, its still wrong. Bak kata pepatah "seperti menegakkan benang yg basah". No matter how u argue, if its wrong then its wrong.

Please understand the term properly n carefully so you wont be misguided. Information is at the tip of your finger, use it wisely

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Nov 15 2008, 12:31 AM

hack = breaking into system thru OS vulnerabilities
crack = reversed engineering

perhaps... another 'debate' is on the net too. check it out [ Here ]

This post has been edited by friends: Nov 15 2008, 12:12 AM

well before we argue further, shudnt we refer back to Apple iPhone Software License Agreement?

I have just download and read the agreement , things we need to understand is that Apple license the iPhone user to use the software

this part is copy from the License Agreement

what we need to confirm that JB is legal or illegal is in the section 2( c ) of the agreement, which is stated below

Does JB did any of the thing mention there?
The main point there will be the "modify", if Jailbreaking does modify the iPhone Software, then it does consider to be violating the License Agreement

but bec to another fact, violating the agreement is a case only between the Apple and the User who been granted the license, not Apple and the JB program or Dev Team

the case of Dev Team hack iPhone software is another case, which is not related to the user since user only use their tool to JB, not joining them in the effort of JB it

so downloading or owning or even distributing the JB software are not related to Apple iPhone Software License Agreement, it shud refer to those program Agreement, if we were to ask distributing these program were legal or illegal then we shud refer to their agreement, not Apple's

Added: As i remember none of the software here post by other forumer relating to JB iPhone is those iPhone Software that has been cracked or pirated, these forumer are only posting those TOOLS to JB and unlock iPhone

This post has been edited by elico: Nov 15 2008, 12:30 AM

Good one elico.

If i may add, don't u think that Apple would have sent out their lawyers to get the dev team or shutting pwnage/quickpwn/winpwn down if it was violating or infringing the T&C or software agreement? Yet the dev team are still alive and kicking.

unless Apple get an injunction from the court or any other method by law to seize any distribution of these JB Tools

or

as in my previous post it is state within these JB Tools software license agreement

i dont think posting up these tools in LYN were consider to be illegal

hahaha nice topic here.

from my view, pwnage/quickpwn/winpwn is not illegal as long you using your iphone for yourself.

Apple will not stop any JB tools. Dev team will not release any unlock software if iphone 3G sale still good. All about money.

well you guys can argue all you want, but at the end of the day, this forum belongs to LYN. hence they will determine what is illegal and what is not.


so far, those threads endorsing cracks have been clamped down, but JB threads remains unopposed.


hence, the conclusion here is simple. if you want post/contribute things which are not endorsed by LYN, get the heck out of here and carry out your activities somewhere else. LYN doesn't welcome you here and so do we. period.

sugen cant differentiate what is hack and crack, that is one thing i am dem sure about.

elico, what you stated previously is correct. that is the agreement. its not regulation or an act. you will not be sued by apple if dismantle, modify or whatever you do it to your iphone. at most you only violate that agreement and void the warranty. but if you clone one iphone out... apple will make sure you pay for what you did...

as for sugen, again, cracked apps and jailbreak/unlocker is 2 different category application. cracked apps are those commercial software which their limitation(demo, trial, shareware) has been removed while JB/UL is to modify your iphone.

This post has been edited by Seaedge: Nov 15 2008, 02:03 AM

lol if someone makes a report on apple about these things,than it will be a real big issue.hope M**** does not report or complain to apple about this cause something real bad may happen.