Some people just don't know the diff between hacks and cracks.

Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn = Hacks
Illegally obtained apps/apps that u did not pay = cracks


Definition from wikipedia

Hack



Crack @ Software Cracking



To put it in a simple word ... if you didn't buy the apps but obtain it somehow and using it illegally then its a crack. U can be sued for soliciting it.

Why Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn is not a crack? U bought the phone and its yours so u have the right to do whatever u want to it (unless u stole the phone). Apple already said that if u jailbreak (using those hacks) then you void your warranty but can't be sued.

Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn can be cracks if Apple sold the iPhone OS as a separate entity like our Windows or Mac OS X.

Please do more research before saying a hack is the same as a crack although the line that separate the two is a fine one.

Seems like there are still some people that does not have a firm grasp between hacks and cracks.

Let me put it in the simplest way that even a level 1 spore can understand:
"hacking is not cracking"

U cannot put hacking/cracking together as both are different. Just an example, "muslim can't drink tea/beer because it's Haram". Both elements are different. One is halal (legal) and the other is haram (illegal) although both are drinks. Sorry for the anology ... can't think of anything better.

Yes hacking can be in a grey area since we have the white hats and the black hats (google that up). White hats will hack to test the system for vulnerablities so they can improve the security or program. Black hats hack a system for a more malicious reason. Asking for money or defacing a website or putting in a trojan. The dev team are more to the white hats, hacking the phone to make it better, not to harm anyone. If u still say hacking is illegal then the HackTheBox (or something like it) event which is endorsed by the information technology ministry is illegal? Even giant software company held hacking competition for hackers to hack their system/software.

Crack or cracking is an act of alatering a software so it can be use without permission hence its illegal. No matter how u look at it, its still wrong. Bak kata pepatah "seperti menegakkan benang yg basah". No matter how u argue, if its wrong then its wrong.

Please understand the term properly n carefully so you wont be misguided. Information is at the tip of your finger, use it wisely

This post has been edited by frozzbyte: Nov 15 2008, 12:31 AM

Good one elico.

If i may add, don't u think that Apple would have sent out their lawyers to get the dev team or shutting pwnage/quickpwn/winpwn down if it was violating or infringing the T&C or software agreement? Yet the dev team are still alive and kicking.

This is why i'm not good in debating, i easily gave up on some people that can't or refuse to see the facts laid out to them. They can't see black or white but just grey. Its already been stated that hacking depends on the persons intention. If he/she meant good then its good/legal but if he/she has malicious thinking about hacking and there are victims to his/her doing, then its bad/illegal.

Cracks/cracking in the other hand will remain illegal if he/she has a good or bad intention towards cracking the software.

If u are saying that hacks are illegal as cracks then this forum as a whole will be a boring one. We won't have modding section for pc or mac desktop i.e themes, eve candy and system tweaks. We won't have the hackintosh section or even the gamers will run away since they can't discuss hacks to their console.

This debate is going no where if some people still don't understand the difference between those two term. Facts and definition have been laid out but still have some thats trying to "menegakkan benang yg basah".

Cracks will always be illegal no matter how u twist n turn the facts to 'legalize' it.

And if u still think that hacks are also illegal but infact its not then just don't participate in the particular thread.

Nuff said