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 Differences between Hacking and Cracking., Let the debate begins....

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TSdavidgary73
post Nov 14 2008, 08:32 PM, updated 17y ago

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Hi Guys. Sorry for this new thread. I have received pm's concerning hacks and cracks. Here are the pm's..

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By MohdFarid1994

bro i created my thread as u comment that i cant put cracked stuff in bla bla....!!!!listen here many of lyn users asking me why i closed my topic when its usefull...i said to them someone has complain and they say whats wrong cause they say you created a thread tooo about jailbreaking iphone......so please bro...many people find out my thread is usefull..i have so many pm about the app store!!!!!!!dont u think ur thread is about hacking toooo....   

jailbreaking is something as a crakced stuff too bro..

so i guess why i cant do when you can...many of them telling me the same thing saying that who can do why not i can do...many of them pm me...nevermine la bro the best thing is to not post it...anyway tq

By sugen

hmn.. i was wonder why it can't ? But why we can discuss crack such as pwngetool 2.1 for iphone.. This is also a type of crack..


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I'll let you guys decide if i need to close "Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn Thread" as many sees it as cracks.

So do comment.

Cheers

This post has been edited by davidgary73: Nov 15 2008, 03:01 PM
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post Nov 14 2008, 08:52 PM

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Well..."Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn" would fall under hacking as it involves non malicious methods of breaking into an iPhone system. Nothing to do with cracking.

I'm not sure how either hacking or cracking would violate the rule of discussion, distribution or posting links to pirated software, pornography or any kind of copyrighted materials. Technically speaking when we bought the iPhone, we made an exchange of rights from Apple to user. We can so to say do anything we wish to our phones. The only reason it would violate the rule would be because we started posting up the iPhone software source codes or giving out links to pirated applications which I'm pretty sure we're not...are we?
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post Nov 14 2008, 08:59 PM

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Some people just don't know the diff between hacks and cracks.

Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn = Hacks
Illegally obtained apps/apps that u did not pay = cracks


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Crack @ Software Cracking

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To put it in a simple word ... if you didn't buy the apps but obtain it somehow and using it illegally then its a crack. U can be sued for soliciting it.

Why Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn is not a crack? U bought the phone and its yours so u have the right to do whatever u want to it (unless u stole the phone). Apple already said that if u jailbreak (using those hacks) then you void your warranty but can't be sued.

Pwnagetool, Quickpwn and Winpwn can be cracks if Apple sold the iPhone OS as a separate entity like our Windows or Mac OS X.

Please do more research before saying a hack is the same as a crack although the line that separate the two is a fine one.

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post Nov 14 2008, 09:12 PM

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Interesting topic.Although I welcome any kind of hacks or cracks.I believe Dev team hack in first.They had did so,next they need to crack it. The point here is not so much about what is hacks or cracks is.The point here is both is illegal. If cracks is not allow then I see no reason hacks is allow.I think is LYN's rule put us in a grey zone here
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:14 PM

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I agree with frozz. Those who complain abt their thead being closed dispite being useful, they lack of maturity. Read, understand and comprehend the terms n process. Buying a pirated DVD is using cracked app. Buying an original DVD n ripping it to ur iPod or iPhone is another matter. Just a small comparison. No offence or watsoever meant. Jb is merely expanding our phones capabilities. Overclocking a CPU, hacking, cracking or smting else? Similar to Jb?
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:17 PM

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basically that is what those dun-read-but-always-assume-that-is mentality.

true, this Pwnangetool, QP/WP is in the hack category but

"It's not "illegal" in the sense you can be prosecuted for it. It might violate the terms of your service contract. If you're not on contract, then it's your phone and you can do what you want with it."-Yahoo answers

and when they(the M****) r in the middle of showing off their l33t skills and kena sound, complain, report... sure la heboh abit brows.gif

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post Nov 14 2008, 09:23 PM

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pwnagetool tool and cydia is not illegal because you are entitled to do anything on devices that you own, but obviously that breaks the warranty (not like you are having warranty for your iphone here anyway).

infact, people should be praising the developers of pwnage, without jailbreak in the first place, Steve Jobs wouldnt be approving the concept of appstore. Would you like some web apps?

However, cracked apps should be banned at all cost, it is hurting the developers.
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:23 PM

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I think the best explanation is u can discuss any JB related stuffs but not cracked apps. That's it. Simple and straight. smile.gif Btw JB is considered as hack and it is not illegal as well coz u own the iphone, u can do whatever u want, putting pr0n inside, smash it, put it into the blender, drop it and etc. But just that u cant get warranty from apple, that's it. Well, maybe u can if u restore ur iphone to original state and del all the JB data left in the iphone. tongue.gif

Btw here i present you how to put iphone into a blender. biggrin.gif


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post Nov 14 2008, 09:30 PM

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fact: JB/Unlock iphone will not land you with a lawyer's letter... cracked apps is. PWNage/QP/WP is not cracked apps in the 1st place. its a developed app.

This post has been edited by Seaedge: Nov 14 2008, 09:31 PM
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:47 PM

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Yup crack issue again.. this is one of example, what is crack...

Do you think Dev Team got this kind of email...? whistling.gif whistling.gif
I dont think so..
Simply bcoz, there are DEVELOPER!

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post Nov 14 2008, 09:53 PM

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hmn.. i am more interest to discuss is Hacking is legal ? I don't think so... Then, If hacking is illegal , anything subsequent on that is consider illegal already.... I really don't think hacking into iphone by Dev team is legal... Something like hacking into bank website..
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post Nov 14 2008, 09:57 PM

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huh? what is that mean @sugen?
QUOTE(davidgary73 @ Nov 14 2008, 09:57 PM)
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post Nov 14 2008, 10:01 PM

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Sorry..press the return button to fast..hahahha

So u think i should close the pwnagetool thread?

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I am not the moderator of LYN... Again.. I welcome hacks/cracks.... Your question to close pwnagetool thread is on the hands of the Moderator..
As i said earlier, the LYN rule & regulation bring us in a GREY zone..Since hacking/cracking is an illegal operation.. Then it really confuse many LYN forumer to differentiate which illegal action can be post & which illegal action cannot be post.. icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(davidgary73 @ Nov 14 2008, 09:57 PM)
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So u think i should close the pwnagetool thread?
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QUOTE(sugen @ Nov 14 2008, 11:00 PM)
huh? what is that mean @sugen?
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@sugen = sugen,

meaning he's directing that message to u..
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QUOTE(sugen @ Nov 14 2008, 09:53 PM)
hmn.. i am more interest to discuss is Hacking is legal ? I don't think so... Then, If hacking is illegal , anything subsequent on that is consider illegal already.... I really don't think hacking into iphone by Dev team is legal... Something like hacking into bank website..
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hacking is like a knowledge. it can be used for good or bad. if not why do you think there will be firewall softwares and such by those antivirus company? do you think come up with such software without hacking knowledge?

but when knowledge misused, then it is a crime.

again, hacking into iphone, if thats what you are refering... why is it illegal? are you reselling the hacked iphone? if for personal use, its not "illegal".. (like i said previously) not until the extent that you will be prosecuted by the law.
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so where is this M**** fella?
come out come out wherever you are laugh.gif

it had been mentioned clearly from frozzbyte and seaedge's postings,
there is a fine line that divides them both if not why didnt they just categorized everything as cracks or hacks?

it's your phone you can do whatever u wan with it including BlendTec. I'm no advocate for crack apps but use it at your own discretion.

With that said, anything that happened to your phone is a risk on your own. As cracked apps need a patched mobile installation file and changing permission protocols, once messed up...halleluya smile.gif

and please la why still with the malaysian mentality?
do appreciate people's work, if not who will be producing fun apps like texas holdem and asphalt 4 for everyone?

p/s it's like producing your own shit but letting others claim ownership of it without permission.

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So from now crack app can be post in LYN?

QUOTE(=Hanxz= @ Nov 14 2008, 10:13 PM)
so where is this M**** fella?
come out come out wherever you are laugh.gif

it had been mentioned clearly from frozzbyte and seaedge's postings,
there is a fine line that divides them both if not why didnt they just categorized everything as cracks or hacks?

it's your phone you can do whatever u wan with it including BlendTec. I'm no advocate for crack apps but use it at your own discretion.

With that said, anything that happened to your phone is a risk on your own. As cracked apps need a patched mobile installation file and changing permission protocols, once messed up...halleluya smile.gif

and please la why still with the malaysian mentality?
do appreciate people's work, if not who will be producing fun apps like texas holdem and asphalt 4 for everyone?

p/s it's like producing your own shit but letting others claim ownership of it without permission.
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QUOTE(sugen @ Nov 14 2008, 10:20 PM)
So from now crack app can be post in LYN?
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