*I have no intention to start a flame bait, so plz don't take offence to whatever I'm about to type, or I'll just shoot myself *

- Well yea, you're right about that. That's why a 1-2 hours meeting isn't enough to implement all the changes needed to balance the game. We should slowly implement changes over time and test em out before the next big tourney comes around the corner (next year's WGT, WCG? )

- There are a lot more variables in the game than just "clip size". You've got other stuffs in the game to consider about too (weapon's damage, damage reduction over range, gun sway, damage multiplier to the certain parts of the body, penetration, weapon differences with various attachments, recoil, recoil center speed, primary weapon's movement speed & sprint duration, ammo share, rate of fire etc). There are practically tons of methods to torture overpowered weapons.

- Promod/Pam4/<insertmodhere> had already altered weapons in the game, I don't see what's wrong with it.

- And that's the very reason why I want to nerf them so that nobody will complain about em.

- Yes, I'm very aware of that. Thx for the reminder.

- *Ahem*. *Cough*Cough*. I believe that I've mentioned the word "balance" instead of "duplicate" in my previous posts? If I have any intention to create duplicate weapons with different skins, it would defeat the very purpose of having a variety of weapons in the first place right?

Cheers,
Wacko inside...

P.S. Although I don't really agree with the R&R, I accept it coz it's already finalized

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Nov 10 2008, 05:54 PM

At the end of the day, you shoot to kill. If the gun can't kill, don't use it. Simple. Not all guns were made to be balanced. In that case, no one would win a war.

- Oh yes. All those things matter as much as the clip size for the mini LMG. I'm saying the first thing you need to do is fix the clip size. p.s. Please read my post properly for full assimilation of information. kthx.

- I'm sure you could furnish me with some facts if I asked for it. I know Promod has already altered weapons, but Pam4? Educate me.

- Yeah, sure. Let's see how many people will use the M21 if it does 2 dmg per shot. Nerf/Ban = Same Result. No one will use it.

- Oh yeah. Let's balance what hardly anybody will use anyway. =/

Here. Let's repeat for emphasis. Let's put all our effort into balancing something that hardly anybody uses anyway.

would i use a nerfed p90?i dont think so...to find the right balance to the extend that the gun is not nerfed to useless is very hard especially when we have many other issues to focus on.

changing
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are we getting anywhere?

Grr is sexay when he's annoyed and irritated. LOL.

Me here ish jz bout happ-ay to play as long as it s not promod, no sway, glide running gheyness with no muzzle flashy.

Unless the in game models/skins can pull a 'flash' ahh.... now dats a very different 'muzzle' flash XD

Chill every1. Lets play with the new R&R update n see how thing goes.
COD4 is still less than 1 year old here. The community is still young. Always room for feedback & improvement if it is agreed upon later.

luftwacko the decision have been made....so no point whining about it.....train up your skill and adept to the changes

This post has been edited by Pro-MX: Nov 10 2008, 07:01 PM

omg
wraith
i was so wrong about you...

that "muzzle" flash is something that shouldnt be allowed at all T_T
imagine marines and op for flashign their muzzles at each other ..

OMG no fear long time no seee... how r u dude..

anyway regarding all the changes, i will accept em without prejudice.. time to train my skills without ds

when dat happens... worldpeace will be achieved. and pigs will be flying over the moon.

roxxor.....all we have 2 do is play with the current ruleset. If they is anything anybody finds *imbalance* all we have to do is have another meeting........AFTER the tourney

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Nov 10 2008, 08:59 PM

Rofl Yeah I have a nub-face ( ) <-- The face of a nub. Umm FsN is goin fine thanks for asking, and I've improved <3 I guess LULz, not good enough to counter-rush to almighty Quack yet But I'm getting there, soon I'll be known as the duck-eater! The duck-eating-turtle! Or Green-Mean-Terawr!... Okay I'll stop (High on Coffee EHEHEHEHEHEHEHE)

Again, grats on WGT, I'm still eager to find out what you guys won lol, apparently, no one has any news on it.

Are you kidding, I saw someone get to third floor once in a scrim as soon as I did the plank jump, and I was pretty damn fast in getting there.

You should distribute those comment things you find at fancy restaurants Haha "Rate our service", "How was the food (Rigs)", "What can be improved?", "How many times were you tubed today?"

Just a suggestion, but then again that would lead to extra costs.

Chill guys chill. Oh wait, that's the wrong thing to say.

Ye bastiches should be shot i tell ye!!

There slightly better. Let's try again.

Yer all whiners and noobs. Hmmm nope not yet there.

But back on topic, doesn't matter what the rules are, but what Grr is trying to say through the 6 feet of sarcasm is:

"If a weapon that no one uses is nerfed, no one is going to use it STILL."

On a personal note, weapons wise; i think people tend to lean towards highpoweredweaponry>accuracy>clip size

Plank =/= Middle. He'd be too busy checking the whole place before checking the plank.

It's not my fault if you opt to run through heli or arches and get shot down from the third floor.

Luft, the weapon changes cannot be done too soon. Honestly speaking, the p90 ban is there because there just too much to tweak to balance it out. You tweak it too much, it becomes a different weapon. The more you tweak it, most likely it will turn into a promod weapon.

50 ammo is still imba for a SMG and with the ROF of a LMG and the move speed of a sniper(std 1.0) its just too much to account for. The ban most probably wont be lifted until IW themselves change the gun. The reason why it takes so many levels to get a p90 tells you that its meant to be a little imba over the rest of the SMGs. >.< (they just HAD to add an imba weapon to make it worth leveling your profile online)

Although it would have been possible for you to bring it up in the R&R meeting, i would say that a majority will still not like it OR everyone will use it. By adding 1 weapon, you reduce the tendency of players using other weapons instead. So rather than adding 1 weapon and forfeiting the rest, i would rather forfeit 1 weapon and allow the rest to continually be used.

I humbly apologise for turning this thread up in flames.

Sorry.

I'm not asking for your forgiveness. If I had worded my posts properly, none of these responses would have occured in the first place.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Nov 11 2008, 05:54 PM

*Guys, it'll all be better if we think before we post so we don't have to apologize in the future. Then again, a more logical cause of action is to report the people who instigate the flames so we never have to hear from them ever again. Quote from a TV series : "Sheldon, it's okay to be smarter than everyone but you can't go pointing it out." "Why not?" "CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT."*

@ Crashtec : IMO this game was made for 'FUN' not for 'Competition'. Cause most of the weapons are not balanced or obsolete. The P90 is actually doing what it's supposed to do, being imba. It's even imba in real life, so there's enough said here.

@ Strayfah : Hmm IMO we should have a ground runner spraying the plank at the start of the rush then lul Then again, there's a nade from spawn where you can actually hit the 3rd story. Not telling where, for those who know; good for you :3. Same like there's a nade from defense spawn that can actually go into blue. That, or smoke the heli.

Hard to see lar Kura! Use another color like blue or something!

You're meant to highlight it lol

hightlight ure FACE........randomzorrr.....dude heard u participating in Skoth4. Good luck =D, record ure game and impress me