Stock market V17, Aftermath of Oct depression
Stock market V17, Aftermath of Oct depression
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Nov 7 2008, 11:33 AM
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IOICORP back at 3.00
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Nov 7 2008, 11:36 AM
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Buyers are buying in now, more counters in green/grey
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Nov 7 2008, 11:37 AM
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OT: Raja petra to be freed!!! He'll b back to haunt our PM-to be!!!! More political instability???? Market dipping again?
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Nov 7 2008, 11:39 AM
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cherroy is right, wet head, lol, goreng couters are back in action.
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Nov 7 2008, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 7 2008, 11:32 AM) The economics of trading? Hua an making not a small profit, it might be bad in some eyes but good in others. Taking that as example of small profit vs. brokerage might not be appropriate. Actually, I want to understand more on the logics of the traders here. In the last few months we have seen shares dropping 30%+ of the top If so, why would people keep selling their shares? Assuming some sold their shares at 30% discount back then, the buyers of those shares SL at 5% and so on, we can safely say that sellling shares now or at further discount will result in the law of diminishing return for the profit takes and further losses for the sellers. In such a case, it's illogical for trades to continue is it not? As warren buffett says, the brokerage fees for certain counters is higher than the total annual net profit that the company makes. We're paying 1 billion in brokerage fees, for a company that makes 1 million. For example, one of those counters would be huaan I assume. The volume of trading is huge, but I doubt the entire net profit is equivalent to it. Strangely odd, but there u go.. I holding 0 Hua An, have no benefit to defend it, just fyi. But I am looking into loading back my position |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 7 2008, 11:41 AM) Hua an making not a small profit, it might be bad in some eyes but good in others. Taking that as example of small profit vs. brokerage might not be appropriate. Hehe.. just a counter that i take off the back of my mind while writing that post,I holding 0 Hua An, have no benefit to defend it, just fyi. But I am looking into loading back my position I'll come out with some figures... |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 7 2008, 11:41 AM) Hua an making not a small profit, it might be bad in some eyes but good in others. Taking that as example of small profit vs. brokerage might not be appropriate. I wonder why she/he always pick on HUAAN.I holding 0 Hua An, have no benefit to defend it, just fyi. But I am looking into loading back my position Sounds like "molested" by Huaan before, could be the first love. |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 7 2008, 11:44 AM) I wonder why she/he always pick on HUAAN. Just one of those stock that I have experience with mar. That I do know has a huge volume. Otherwise I can't simply name a stock..Sounds like "molested" by Huaan before, could be the first love. Ok here's some numbers. Total stocks traded for 2007 1,658,525,000 At an average price of 1.045 Brokerage fees at 1% 16,585,250 16 million in brokerage fees? |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 7 2008, 11:49 AM) Just one of those stock that I have experience with mar. That I do know has a huge volume. Otherwise I can't simply name a stock.. Brokerage fees would boost our GDP by +0.5%.Ok here's some numbers. Total stocks traded for 2007 1,658,525,000 At an average price of 1.045 Brokerage fees at 1% 16,585,250 16 million in brokerage fees? This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Nov 7 2008, 11:52 AM |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 7 2008, 11:49 AM) Just one of those stock that I have experience with mar. That I do know has a huge volume. Otherwise I can't simply name a stock.. Anyway, seems like huaan profit for 07 is quite good too, bad example from me.Ok here's some numbers. Total stocks traded for 2007 1,658,525,000 At an average price of 1.045 Brokerage fees at 1% 16,585,250 16 million in brokerage fees? 16,585,250/127,522,000 ~ brokerage fees about 13% of a company's profit? Or did I got my maths wrong But Sky, if you look at my post, it's not specifically targette at huaan, i'm just talking about the economic logic behind why certain counters brokerage fees is actually higher than the company's entire year's net profit. Why do we buy shares, to get a piece of the company's net profit. It doesn't make much sense that the cost of buying the shares to get a piece of the company's profit is higher than the company profit itself. And that's the point that I was trying to raise, huaan just happen to be a share that I know off, so i picked it off the back of my head lor This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 7 2008, 11:58 AM |
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Nov 7 2008, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 7 2008, 11:54 AM) Anyway, seems like huaan profit for 07 is quite good too, bad example from me. We do not earn comm by sharing info here.16,585,250/127,522,000 ~ 12% of a company's profit. But Sky, if you look at my post, it's not specifically targette at huaan, i'm just talking about the economic logic behind why certain counters brokerage fees is actually higher than the company's entire year's net profit. Why do we buy shares, to get a piece of the company's net profit. It doesn't make much sense that the cost of buying the shares to get a piece of the company's profit is higher than the company profit itself. And that's the point that I was trying to raise, huaan just happen to be a share that I know off, so i picked it off the back of my head lor We only got the blames when someone is losing money. Just wonder how they trade ? |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:02 PM
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This is similar to another saying of warren buffett about buying gold.
You buy gold, you need to rent a warehouse to store the golds, and then you have to hier security guards to secure the gold, and u need to worry if ur golds got robbed, and insurance too? In the end, even if gold appreciates, you have to pay all those maintenance cost. Again, it seems weird in an economic sense of things, just wonder what others think about it Going to be -10 soon, inching up. This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 7 2008, 12:02 PM |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:02 PM
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People buy and sell because they wanna profit - lah.. simple.. we are capitalists otherwise why else
doing here. rite? Ok.. I will predict DJIA will be green tonight.. bargain hunters jump back in to grab more shares. This post has been edited by danmooncake: Nov 7 2008, 12:02 PM |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 7 2008, 11:58 AM) We do not earn comm by sharing info here. Calm calm... we all here to share info and thoughts, not quarrel against each others We only got the blames when someone is losing money. Just wonder how they trade ? I like Hua An because of its volume (and its fundamental, I don't want to get stuck with goreng stocks which might close shop tomorrow), I think some of us buying this because of that too, stocks with low volume very hard to get rid even when the market is up, because there might be no buyer when you try to sell. Just my 2 sens. Added on November 7, 2008, 12:06 pm QUOTE(danmooncake @ Nov 7 2008, 12:02 PM) People buy and sell because they wanna profit - lah.. simple.. we are capitalists otherwise why else Hard to say leh, GM & Ford... I try this afternoon or monday (or later) to 'share mana boleh beli' doing here. rite? Ok.. I will predict DJIA will be green tonight.. bargain hunters jump back in to grab more shares. This post has been edited by htt: Nov 7 2008, 12:06 PM |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 7 2008, 12:04 PM) Calm calm... we all here to share info and thoughts, not quarrel against each others He's just saying how they trade, I find no offense in that.I like Hua An because of its volume (and its fundamental, I don't want to get stuck with goreng stocks which might close shop tomorrow), I think some of us buying this because of that too, stocks with low volume very hard to get rid even when the market is up, because there might be no buyer when you try to sell. Just my 2 sens. Which is exactly my question itself, trade = making money off each other. Instead of investing to earn a piece of the companies's net profit? Added on November 7, 2008, 12:12 pmKLSE is crazy man, we may go green if this continues This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 7 2008, 12:12 PM |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:16 PM
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Looks like plantation stocks will be going green as well... FCPO comin out from red. O.o
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Nov 7 2008, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Nov 7 2008, 12:07 PM) He's just saying how they trade, I find no offense in that. Holy shit, I just missed the boat??? Which is exactly my question itself, trade = making money off each other. Instead of investing to earn a piece of the companies's net profit? Added on November 7, 2008, 12:12 pmKLSE is crazy man, we may go green if this continues |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:21 PM
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What a reversal..... unpredictable mr market indeed. who would've thought if u buy off the panic sellers who anticipated a drop today you'll make a turn around 4 hours later eh?
Mr Market is funny. Added on November 7, 2008, 12:24 pmarmy of green is marching in~~ Added on November 7, 2008, 12:25 pmThose who sell this morning at a discount were wise in their anticipation too, but they got beaten by mr market. This post has been edited by eltaria: Nov 7 2008, 12:25 PM |
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Nov 7 2008, 12:28 PM
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BUY BUY BUY!!!! Massive buying taking place..
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Nov 7 2008, 12:28 PM
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The capitalists are back in actions.
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