If i heavy use on the batt, then wad u ppl think the batt can how long then spoil? Will more than 1 year?

QUOTE(xyzpace @ Jun 3 2009, 10:11 AM)

SSD is suppose to be faster than HDD correct me if i'm wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf_QS3mZsyU

Firstly youre both right and not so correct at the same time.
My comment was made on your note and i quote again..

ssd is thin and nice but 16g, hdd is thick but 160g
which one to go for?

personally think to go for the thinest....

It does not mention anywhere that your interest in SSD comes fully from the fact that it is faster but only that its thinner.
Reviews on SSD does not lie, Ive done a review on the bootup speeds on SSD on this thread as well, you can find it here. It comes also complete with a Video Review.

Next is the misconception that all SSD's are fast. Note that there are 2 versions of SSD's. The MLC and the SLC. Ive provided an interesting read below.
References from where it was taken from has also been added.
Even in the current 901GO that I have from Asus 2 versions of SSD's are present in the 16GB capacity it has. The SSD's are divided into 2, installing Windows on the faster one only takes about 30 minutes ( about the same like when youre installing in a normal HDD while installing windows on the slower version takes more than 4 hours. Thus its not always true that SSD's are faster than HDD's.
What is Always True is that SSD is faster in their seek time which counts a lot if youre always reading data from the machine.

Onwards to a more enlightened understanding of whats SSD.


Introduction

This article is written to follow in the footsteps of an excellent review by Kevin O’Brien on the Memoright 128Gb solid state drive (SSD). His article provided many great benchmarks, to include HDTune, HDTach and ATTO Disk Benchmarking, which have gained a reputation of accuracy and reliability over the past few years.

This article is a MUST READ for anyone contemplating buying a SSD in the near future and will most likely hook many who are walking that line in the sand.

Every Little Bit Counts

The SSD, at its most basic level, is comprised of bits, lots and lots of bits. To try and build from the bit and explain how we reach a total of 128Gb SSD would scare most off. Understanding the bit, however, will bring us to an understanding of two different types of SSDs, the slc (single level cell), or the mlc (multi level cell) design. Our understanding of these two is crucial to our SSD purchase.

An slc SSD, such as the Memoright 128 GB SSD, is simply built where 1 bit rests within 1 cell of the SSD. Conversely, a mlc SSD means there are two bits within 1 cell of the SSD. The best way of understanding this is to compare a cell with a single bit to a single home whereas a cell with two bits would be a duplex. For those capable of using the slc SSD to its full potential, it is easily understood that they have much more control over the total SSD as each bit is within it’s own cell. Its much the same as trying to make alterations on your single family home, vice a duplex.

Where we need to pay attention, however, is with failure of the SSD as it occurs at the cell level. In a duplex, both sides are lost by fire vice only the one with a regular home. This is much the same as losing both bits in a mlc, vice the single bit of the slc. This directly affects the lifespan of the mlc compared to the slc which will be covered ‘in just a bit’.

Suffice it to say, we can form a basic understanding that the slc SSD, as with the Memoright 128Gb design, is much better than the mlc SSD.

How Fast is Fast?

Presently, the only SSD capable of reaching performance results in excess of 100MB/s read and write at the 128Gb capacity is the Memoright 128Gb SSD. This may remain as such because many consumer manufacturers seem to be experiencing a problem simply fitting 128Gb NAND into a 2.5” SATA SSD. Having spoken to several, they seem to agree on the simple fact that, in no time soon, can the slc design reach the average consumer at 128Gb or above, for the most part because it cannot be made at a cost effective price.

As a result, manufacturers are furiously testing and manufacturing mlc SSDs for consumer sales because they can reach higher capacities at a cost within the consumers reach. There are performance hits though. Most manufacturers admit that mlc SSDs will rest in the area estimated at a maximum of around 90MB/s read and 50MB/s write, this well below the slc design. Could this be good news for the Raptor? Read on!

The Performance Misconception

The true performance of an SSD cannot be understood unless one has had the opportunity to utilize one. Even watching a short demo is not a fair representation. We are so used to grading the performance of a HD by its read and write benchmarks that we instinctively look to this from the SSD as well.

The magic of the SSD comes less so from the read and write benchmarks and more so from the incredible access speed that it can achieve. An SSD searches similarly to that of your computer. It finds something by index and then retrieves it from NAND as the computer would from RAM.

There are no moving parts involved and this occurs as quickly as 0.1ms.

With the typical consumer owned hard drive, it takes 10-15ms, on average, to find information and retrieve it because of the disk spinning, arm pivoting above and having to find the information on each pass and so on. This is compounded by the fact that a large file on a HD can take several passes to retrieve, each pass being 10-15ms on average compared to the 0.1ms total time of the SSD. This is why so many programs seem to open instantly with an SSD vice the HD. This is the true guts of the SSD.

Writing on one or actions such as installation and writing data will vary in performance in SSD's.


How Long Will They Last

I am very close with many SSD manufacturers of both the enterprise and consumer arena. I have asked this question of many and must admit that the most frank response is “MLC lifespan is a little sensitive with manufacturers. Each is trying to cope with this answer very carefully.” The true answer to the question for both slc and mlc SSDs is this…

“The SSD will outlive the hardware for which it was built for.”

SLC ssds can be calculated, for the most part, to live anywhere between 49 years and 149 years, on average, by the best estimates. The Memoright testing can validate the 128Gb SSD having a write endurance lifespan in excess of 200 years with an average write of 100Gb per day.

This is where the mlc design falls short. Nobody has really examined what kind of life expectancy is assured with the mlc except that, it will be considerably lower. I have received several different beliefs which average out to a 10 to 1 lifespan in favour of the slc design. A conservative guess is that most lifespan estimates will come between 7 and 10 years, depending on the advancement of ‘wear leveling algorythms ’ within the controllers of each manufacturer.

To draw comparison by way of write cycles, a slc would have a lifetime of 100,000 complete write cycles in comparison to the mlc which has a lifetime of 10,000 write cycles. This could increase significantly depending on the design of ‘wear leveling’ utilized.

Conclusion

Through a very conservative general estimate, the sale of SSDs will go through the roof within the next few months, most resulting from the fury of mlc ssds which will hit the market any time now at a price well below half of the slc ssd. We can now see that, as with auto manufacturers, you will have the option of purchasing the Cadillac or the GM of the SSD.

As costly as it is, the Memoright 128Gb SSD is now and will remain the ultimate SSD to own, not only because it is the only 128Gb slc design SSD available to the consumer, but because it will outlive and outperform any other consumer SSD on the market. Somehow, Memoright has found a way to push in the capacity that many seek as well as finding the performance that many will pay the premium for.

We are now fully prepared for the onset of the SSD revolution as one can, not only differentiate between a slc and mlc SSD but also, understand the pricing, performance and lifespan considerations of each.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 10:54 am

QUOTE(ic3rock @ Jun 3 2009, 10:46 AM)

If i heavy use on the batt, then wad u ppl think the batt can how long then spoil? Will more than 1 year?

Heavy use of the battery will not spoil the battery. It will actually work and last better. What spoils the battery is overcharging and / or not disposing of the charge correctly.
What this means is that if youre always near a power source and always connects the laptop to the source leaving the battery charging it will not have a chance to discharge
hence leading to overcharging as its not disposing the charge correctly.

A simple observation is this. 2 persons both with the same laptop, ones always on the move while the other is office bound.
Being office bound he always uses the machine to connect directly to power source without removing the battery.
The other since he's on the go, fully charges and uses up the battery of the laptop. Within even a short span of 1 month, battery performance in the office bound machine will have dropped.

Tips to take care of any laptop battery.
1. Always charge fully. At the same time, ensure that its fully discharged whenever possible. Using it for 20 minutes then putting it back to power source is poor care of a battery.
2. If youre near to a power source and your batteries full, take it out while leaving your machine connected. Not only will you have a full powered battery ready for your trip, your battery will also have a chance to 'breathe' ie dispose of its charges properly.

This post has been edited by havocx: Jun 3 2009, 10:54 AM

any opinion about Asus EEEpc 1008HA model?? I want to buy it...but still think about it..can anyone give some opinion to me.. thank you.

QUOTE(kamen87 @ Jun 3 2009, 03:56 PM)

any opinion about Asus EEEpc 1008HA model?? I want to buy it...but still think about it..can anyone give some opinion to me.. thank you.

Have a read a couple of posts back, it was just discussed.

bought this bag at redang for rm20~ perfect fit our eeepc~ pirated brand though, quality also nice

Timaland lol, I always leave it in my bag, thinking of getting some skin to protect it from scratches XD

This post has been edited by amunriel: Jun 9 2009, 12:36 AM

yaya good quality "timbaland" hahah ok what rm20 for a cheap perfect fit bag haha

rhi, did anyone know ecently asus came out any promotion for buying its netbook?? tq

Good Day Guyz

I'm using 1000H /80GB HDD / 2GB RAM.

I have just installed Windows 7 and it works well but with some problem.

If I install the windows XP graphic driver:
1. I'm able to switch to 1024 x 768 & 1024 x 768 (compressed)
2. But, video playing often lags, sometime its really slow when playing
3. WEI dropped to 1.0
4. Aero disabled.

If I install the latest Mobile Intel 945 EXPRESS Chipset Family (Microsoft Corperation- Prerelease WDDM 1.0)
1. Videos plays perfectly without any lagging.
2. Resolution 1024 x 768 and 1024 x 768 (compressed) is disabled.
3. WEI jumps to 2.2
4. Always reset SHE to High Performance.

My Question now is, I want to:-
1. Play videos in Windows 7 Without lagging.
2. WEI more than 2.0
3. SHE in Super Performance Mode whenever restarts unless changed.
4. Able to change to 1028 x 768 (compressed)

Hope someone is kind enough to explain this problem if it could be solved.

Thanks

Regards
Syah

QUOTE(rahuldave @ Jun 9 2009, 11:08 AM)

Good Day Guyz

I'm using 1000H /80GB HDD / 2GB RAM.

I have just installed Windows 7 and it works well but with some problem.

If I install the windows XP graphic  driver:
1. I'm able to switch to 1024 x 768 & 1024 x 768 (compressed)
2. But, video playing often lags, sometime its really slow when playing
3. WEI dropped to 1.0
4. Aero disabled.

If I install the latest Mobile Intel 945 EXPRESS Chipset Family (Microsoft Corperation- Prerelease WDDM 1.0)
1. Videos plays perfectly without any lagging.
2. Resolution 1024 x 768 and 1024 x 768 (compressed) is disabled.
3. WEI jumps to 2.2
4. Always reset SHE to High Performance.

My Question now is, I want to:-
1. Play videos in Windows 7 Without lagging.
2. WEI more than 2.0
3. SHE in Super Performance Mode whenever restarts unless changed.
4. Able to change to 1028 x 768 (compressed)

Hope someone is kind enough to explain this problem if it could be solved.

Thanks

Regards
Syah

Syah = rahuldave ?
Anyway could we know what software are you running your Videos on ? From my experience the default player lags and youd be better off with other software like Mplayer or VLC, could you give those a try and report back ?

just bought Black 1000HE yesterday for my bro..so far i will say i still prefer HP mini 2140

why? any different apart from physical look..

Rahuldave is my nick while syah is part of my real name.

I have tried VLC and MPC , and the result is still the same, it lags

but i thing i would prefer 1000he?
no? y must hp mini?

rahuldave,
u install the win7 on ur netbuk by urself through the internet?
or u just buy the pack from microsoft?

is the microsoft release the win7 already?

hi.. i juz back from digital mall and u know what......
1000HE is going home wif me...T.T im broke but im happy~
pls welcome me to the family

physical look??HP win

the main thing i prefer HP is the big keyboard. almost the same with standard keyboard..but of coz 1000HE pawn hp mini in terms of the battery

in term of design i really prefer hp mini too..but in term of quality i still prefer 1000HE..but i personal think its time of asus to change its design for it...its come from his bro 1000h which look so bulky compare its thickness and size.. but 1002 is nicer and look classy..

u can download a copy of beta version net. Officially its not released as for now.

i have been using my 1000he since saturday....first charge can last me over 6 hours of internet through wifi..really! and it only get better as i believe the optimum potential of the battery is after 4-5 charges. it was this over the toshiba nb200. toshiba looks better, but battery life is important..nuff said.

hi guys...i hv a eeePc utility in my system tray which i cant select the compressed resolution..issit bcoz i not yet configured sumthing?