Hi all, i've just been browsing through the forums coz i'm quite free nowadays. And i've tend to come alot quite a number of threads lamenting the loss of an exclusive title for another platform for example 'Final Fantasy 13' which is coming out on both the PS3 and XBOX360. My Question would be..why the unhappiness or uneasiness just because the game company chooses to release the game on another platform so others can enjoy them? Is there a need for hostility or bitterness because of the loss of a 'so called exclusive' to another gaming console? I feel we have become too attached with our affliations to our respective consoles that whenever we see an exclusive title being marketed on another console,we feel a tinge of jealousy or whatnot..shouldnt we b happy as gamers that other console gamers are able to enjoy the game just as much as us?

or is there a reason that is stirring up the unhappiness?i would like to know your thoughts on the subject..i'm not trying to point fingers on anyone but i would just like to understand the frustrations if there is any when it comes to the loss of an exclusive title to a rival console.peace out

it is the same with religion, football, and women.

plus most of the masses cant afford all consoles that are in the market, they need the feel of justification for their purchase, even if the justification is false.

It's Human nature
don't try to change it.

Fanboys.. easy to understand difficult to tolerate. I'm even cursed for getting 3ROD on my XBox360 just because I'm not defending PS3 even though I own one

yeah... one simple word to that kind of people. FANBOYS. that's why the acted like that.

kaya leh la beli dua2 consoles

Mula2 blum kuar umum kan yg ni exclusive hanya utk ini ler itulah..

alih2 pulak dah untung beso... tiba2 nak buat kat consoles lain...
tu yg buat para gamers marah ni...

so kalo kaye boleh lah beli ketiga-tiga consoles sekali

fanboy-ism.

i for one would gladly be happy if Halo, Fable and Gears of War goes to PS3. so that my friends who owns a PS3 can understand why i locked myself inside the room last weekend trying to experience Fable II.

This post has been edited by technophile: Oct 28 2008, 06:10 PM

because that is their reassurance that their d!ck is bigger than "others". if "others" also have it, means "others" also have same big d!ck.

well, thats how street talk explanation. if need more civilized version, read Automatic Kalashnikov post.

epic

i would be happy for those 2 consoles if a game is placed on 2 of the consoles.
why?
everyone gets to play.

exclusive=braging right... i got this game and it beat that game on that console... isnt that always happen?

one word = 'EGO-ISM'

all that's left is crossplatform online play

Again what is the point of this... oh wait, I thought what this thread is another one of those "PS3 Better than XBox 360" and vice versa.

Like what other's said before and to sum it up entirely - Human Nature.

The common part of knowledge as to what gives the unease feeling is some want to be part of something that will be on top. Like what xxboxx said in street talk like - 'be the bigger d!ck'...

There's always somebody want to be a part of bigger things... so hence, the arguments and comparison and somewhat the mundane stuff that is done commonly.

I for one am happy. I used to own an Xbox 360 and got rid of it because of the problems I faced. But still, for each console of its own they have their values and invaluable investment. So I am sure each and every one of us have their reasons.

anyone seen the fallout 3 review from IGN?

the 360 version got 96
the ps3 version got 94

a measly 2 points of a difference,and people are going around claiming "OMG TEH PS3 VERSION SUXORS!!"



2 points...

Meh, I don't really care about reviews, but I'm quite surprised reading your link (if they are true). Seems like powerful console =/= better games Seems like most western developers are better at developing for the 360. I think/hope Japanese developers can develop both just as well, any comparison drawn for SCIV?

far cry 2,i think, is the best so far.
both consoles cancel each other out in terms of reviews

hmm,well..seems that most ppl here actually admit it boils down to egoism=)i guessed as much.i'm glad that everyone here is not taking pot shots at this topic.i personally own an xbox360 but i'm more inclined towards the PS3 with its classy design and elegant interface..hahah,but to each, his own, i guess=)

This what Westerner do create division we no need to be suck into their lifestyle.

judging by how we're now celebrating halloween... i'd say we're screwed

not to mention the various other fashion and slang that we use=P hahah

for me.. i think because:

1> when cross platforming, they cannot tap the full functionality of a console.. for example, if by any means ps3 is superior spec than 360, they has to follow 360 spec..then, when will the developer be dependent enough to tap ps3 full functionality?

2> They cannot use their full potential to make a good game great.. if they put serious effort on a game(ie mgs, lbp, fable,gow), it can be great.. They should think of a gamers satisfy, not thirst for money...

3> i hate when a so call "dark knight" come and say.. haha.. ur ps3 is trash.... thats my 1 year funding for crying out loud.. isk3..cant you respect that?


anyway.. i kinda like cross platforming sometimes.. therefore i can play eternal sonata! yeay!

This post has been edited by asfiezul: Oct 30 2008, 06:39 PM

sounds fanboyan to me.

what to expect? it's the only console i have and i like..

Well logically it's because PS3 owners paid for a much more expensive console and the thought of other gamers getting their exclusives which are the reasons why they bought a PS3 in the first place places them in a dumb decision complex.

U can buy PS3 bcoz of Blu-Ray....
U can buy PS3 bcoz of God Of War 3....
I will buy PS3 bcoz Shadow of Colossus 2. I confirm this will not happen on me(I will not rant about the exclusive).
The important thing u can get to play the game u want... the most wanted on priority, so dun be such a small guy.

This post has been edited by nakata101: Oct 31 2008, 12:52 PM

much more expensive console? LOL. PS3 and XBOX360 price are now comparable... only different few bucks.. that's not make a different.

This post has been edited by msn83235502: Oct 31 2008, 02:07 PM

But Xbox360 have those a few bucks game.

Ya loh... but still not cheaper than Pssssssssssss 2...............

Well the 360 has the cheapest HD games.

Its not about the price....almost all have better reviews than the ps3 port. Can't understand why!

Me,Unashamedly agreed !!! Hahahaha

This post has been edited by ameenskywalker: Oct 31 2008, 03:28 PM

Because it's better on the 360?

winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics..... you're still a retard!!!

dude, u're out of topic here..
we're talking about exclusivity...
it doesnt matter at all about the few bucks game dude.

and he's are talking about CONSOLE PRICE in his previous post.

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Added on October 31, 2008, 4:35 pmdoes it matter to exclusivity? u're out of topic dude.

This post has been edited by msn83235502: Oct 31 2008, 04:35 PM

In fact the latest multi-platform games are better on the 360 with the PS3 version suffering graphical glitches even until now. This trend will likely con't in future. A year ago, PS3 fan were speculating that the PS3 graphics will outshine the 360, but that year has gone by and 360' graphics is still kicking PS3 ass. This is facts from all the reviews you can find in the net.....and if i am a troll for stating the truth then so be it.

well, coz it's basically a port. those games are originally developed for the 360 as the lead development platform and then ported to the ps3. there are bound to be irregularities appearing when the game is ported, different architecture. so you'll obviously see more bugs/slow framerate/etc in ps3, coz of the simple fact that it was originally developed for the 360 first

but we'll be seeing more developers using the ps3 as lead development in multiplatform games in the coming months, so we'll see how that turns out.

anyways, i'm all for multiplatform. fallout3 used 360 as lead. but that ain't stopping me from getting the ps3 version, despite the bugs

care to elaborate? as far as i know, only FF13 is being developed on PS3 as the lead platform.
devs are still complaining about the difficulties in producing a multi plat games with PS3 as the lead platform till today.

simple fact is : CELL is a powerful processor. yes, i admit that. but the architecture around it (256 RAM, bottlenecks, bluray transfer data) is killing the possibilities of the machine to be exploited thoroughly. to explore everything needs time and with the turnaround time of development nowadays (which is 2 years max), most development house do not want to spend their time and resources trying to get the most out of PS3. thus why they opted to develop in a dev-friendly toolset provided by MS.

i just realised that i sound OT. sorry.

You forgot to mention GPU.. If not bias it's obvious which one has more powerful GPU

LOOK GUYS!
SHUT UP!

the ps3 has its games and the xbox has its games.
if they have the same games,it's a good thing.

whatever it is,just be grateful that you have such games on your console.otherwise xbox owners would not have gotten devil may cry 4

Quite a lot of the exclusive rants are fanboyish pleas.

HOWEVER, do note that owning a video game console (or gaming PC) is an investment. Therefore, chances are, exclusives are a big deal when thinking of a gaming console to purchase.

For instance, if both PS3 and 360 are getting most of the games a person wants, the choice then comes down to say...MGS4, which is PS3 exclusive. So the person buys a PS3.

Much later on, MGS4 comes out, and a few months later, MGS4 also comes out for the 360. This might not seem like such a big deal, but after such a time has passed, say the person now wants more games on 360. Like Gears of War 2, for instance.

See the picture? The person will now perceive himself to have "wasted" money in buying a PS3 because they couldn't foretell the future (who could?) and have technically, with the announcement of X game being released on X console, made the wrong choice in purchasing a console, on top of any other factors that may have influenced the decision (other games, lower RROD perhaps, or maybe free online, etc).

But to tell the truth huh
when u hav all two console and a pc
u end up don know which one to choose
exp. Fallout 3,Farcry 2

hihi...exclusive also good and also bad....

good
don have to pening which platform to take

bad
scare end up picking the wrong platform ,u end up playing them alone

This post has been edited by lksing78: Oct 31 2008, 10:25 PM

er...
fanboy??

Its been more than 2 years and the results is still the same. I have been hoping that it will get better because i bet on the PS3 too, but so far the PS3 is still lagging behind despite all the "Potential" power it got. Maybe its only a myth that can never materialise.

Maybe next year....


This post has been edited by lightning69: Oct 31 2008, 11:47 PM

Lagging behind?? lag what?? The devs aint tapped into the full horsepower of the ps3 yet. Even the PS2 needs almost 4 years before dominating the console market. And the result aren't the same. The PS3 has improved a lot since they launch their console. The PSN is getting better, and better games are heading to the ps3. As the 360 heading out in maybe a couple of years, the ps3 is best bet for future gaming. do some research, the ps3 sales are doing well after the released of MGS4 and the price cut. Actually, it has increase over 192% this year. So the results is not the same

No, i may sound like a fanboy but im not. I owned 3 consoles (at least 2 coz my 360 died on me again).

if 360 is heading out in the near future, sony SHOULD be worried then. obviously the next gen of xbox will feature better graphics and better specs. so in a way PS3 suddenly became obsolete. does sony afford to play catch up again?

read around the net. PS3 is not as powerful as sony wants you to believe. it is only comparable with the 360. that is the fact. and i know it's hard to swallow. but it's the reality.

like someone said here, it's about their investment and how that investment should be justified. well, they got cheated by sony's marketing. and sony didn't deliver what they promised.

remember when ps2 was about to come out? how they said it can do FMV quality graphics in real time? it's 2008 now.. i didn't see it yet from that machine.

remember when ps3 was about to come out, they played the killzone trailer and looks like it beats everything in terms of graphic and detail? tell me now, since killzone is about to be released soon, did it feature that kinda graphic?

i refuse to answer the obvious.

Spot on dude, u r old enough to see a few generations of fanboys war.
Remember the good old days,
i got into fistfight with friends because they said Neo Geo CD will lost the console war.

Oh yea, Neo Geo CD lost the war to SNES,
and i cried for months wondering why my graphic power house NGCD will lose out to SNES with low tech graphic & primitive sounds & babies games.
I am so stupid, i think SNES is for sissy man that can't play KOF 94,
I am such a SNK fanboy back in those days

Sounds familar?
History is repeating itself in this forum.

well actually,it's fairly close if not better than that trailer.

not just graphically,ofcourse.
but movement of the characters and such.

it's remarkable they got anywhere near that 2k5 trailer

LOL!
dude.. you are so in denial!!!

read back what you wrote.. you are so contradicting..

and i was talking about graphics.. since we are on the topic of console's horsepower.

This post has been edited by technophile: Nov 1 2008, 01:23 AM

right.
you're welcome to form your own opinion on the matter,but it looks pretty close to me.

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Added on November 1, 2008, 1:32 amcontradicting?how so?

horsepower is more than just powering pretty graphics.

This post has been edited by Mgsrulz: Nov 1 2008, 01:32 AM

most fanboys arguments is around how horsepower relation to pretty graphics.
in fact, ppl here are talking about the "untapped" power of PS3. to do what? making your coffee? iron your clothes?
it's obvious they are talking about graphics rite?

anyway those killzone trailer screens are on low res and blurry compared to the killzone 2 screen grabs.
try comparing it against higher definition trailer and you'll get what i mean.

well yeah,but that doesnt mean that's all it's for.

yup

there was a comparison video done by GT sometime back.
here

unfortunately that's a yead old.lol.
not even current footage.



btw,what about that post was contradicting?

Yes, the PS2 does not bring FMV quality in real time, but the machine is still succesfull. IT seems that u based the PS2 on its grpahic power, not those great games like Okami and Yakuza that was released on the system. Even how dull the the graphic was, the core thing about gaming machines is about the gameplay.

Why some of us still favour playing SNES? Because great gameplay can be found in the games that were released on that system.

Im just giving opinions, im not stating facts.

When Dreamcast get the dice rolling, Sony:
"look, PS2 can do FMV quality in real time *showing FFVIII dancing scene*", and up to this day, still no such quality.

When MS gets the 360 rolling:
"ew, so many (2 at that time) SKUs only confused the consumers", and now they have at least 6 different SKUs.
"rumble technology is a thing of the past, it's all about six axis in the future", and now they are pushing hard for the DS3.
"Xenon? Our CPU are couple times more powerful than that, good luck!" and 2 years on still haven't been able to show such "power", and always hide their inferior GPU spec.

When Nintendo announced Wii:
"That's not innovation gamers wanted", and come out with the "godly" but garbage six axis.

Other stuff:
Look at the amount of HDMI and USB ports first proposed, and look at the specs first proposed, you must be blind not to realize the current PS3 is a watered down version of the plan.

Conclusion:
I have nothing against PS3, nor PS2 and PS1, heck, no one is a bigger supporter than me in this forum I dare to say. It's just that I don't like the company as a whole with their lies and tricks. As a gamer I just play whatever game that's good without caring what console they are on.

I'm glad I can play my arcade games. they're exclusive and never cost more than RM2!

This post has been edited by Kyoyagami: Nov 1 2008, 11:01 AM

wosh! nail to the head!

nicely said.

hmm,lets keep the animosity at a minimum here shall we?=)we're all here to discuss about the above mentioned topic..but the earlier post about the promised 'exclusivity' games like ff13 i can understand.hahah,for ppl who bought a PS3 just for ff13 while they hav an xbox360 sitting at home would b pissed off since it's comin out on the xbox 360 anyways=)dat i can relate to..

popcorn...popcorn...
pepsi..pepsi...

anyone want...just raise ur hand
the movie will start soon

nahh, i dont tink we're all that immature till we cant even discuss things properly in dis thread.. so far, it's been quite informative for me the things that have been posted here..

When PS fanboys screw the Wii,
they label it "last-gen graphic" while ignoring the fact that they have great games.
Keep quacking that Wii is a fad, and it sold because Shigeru cast some voodoo spell on the machines.

Let me rephrase what u've said, shall we:
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Yes, the Wii does not bring FMV quality in real time, but the machine is still succesfull. IT seems that u based the Wii on its grpahic power, not those great games like Super Mario Galaxy and No More Heroes that was released on the system. Even how dull the the graphic was, the core thing about gaming machines is about the gameplay.

Why some of us still favour playing SNES? Because great gameplay can be found in the games that were released on that system.

Im just giving opinions, im not stating facts.
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I seriously hope you've never ridicule the Wii using "low tech graphic" argument, cause it seems like PS fans love to use this garbage to justify their "Ostrich-head-in-the-sand" kind of despise on Wii success.

Well done said....huhu...

and also 'WELL DONE' for Fall Out 3 at the PS3 platform...

I have thought about this question why Wii is the best selling consoles for this current gen. We have to admit that there aren't many hardcore gamers around that is willing to fork out hundred or even thousands on a gaming machine. The Nintendo Wii has already won the war by introducing the cheapest yet affordably priced console. Parents looking for a gaming console for their kids will sure to get the cheapest console in the market. (As long as it keeps their kids satisfied, it'll do). Playstation 3 has already lost the current gen war. Nevertheless, I still hope they keep on churning out great titles for hardcore gamers and in the meantime, learn their mistake and rebound back to reclaim their past glory under Playstation 4!

Note: I am a PS fanboy!!

This post has been edited by Thrust: Nov 2 2008, 03:49 PM

At least you are not in the state of denial unlike other fanboys But as a fanboy, how do you feel seeing PS3 exclusives going to 360 and 360's going to PS3?

Edit: I don't agree with you PS3 has already lost though. There are still many games yet to come out like GT5 and GOW3, we'll see.

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Nov 2 2008, 04:26 PM

Haha, gundamalpha, i mean PS3 has already lost the war because I don't think they can exceed the total number of Wii sales in this current generation. Though there might be upcoming great titles for the PS3, I don't think PS3 sales will increase significantly (unless they reduce the price which Sony wouldn't want to now).

As for games going over to 360, I don't really mind. Great games are meant to be played/enjoyed no matter on which consoles. The most important aspect is that a great game should reach a wider audience in order for them to be appreciated/enjoyed. I don't really fancy the X360 due the RROD. I admit they have great library (GOW, Star Ocean, blue Dragon etc) but asking us consumers to spend thousands on a console that can go 'bongkus' in weeks is totally unacceptable. That is why i am still avoiding the X360 and got a PS3.

@ Thrust - Your argument made sense and logical, u r a civilised fanboy Not like some fanboys that yell homophobic or degrading words on the "other camp".

I really dun mind where those exclusive goes to, i can't buy all of them anyway. However.... I got a 360 instead of PS3, due to impulse buying, no other reasons. I might get a PS3 when the impulse hit me during my payday.

@ Gundamalpha - Dude i dun agree. The war is over, and the ranking is done. MS as a company is much more savvy and aggressive, they are not like SEGA during Saturn/Dreamcast days. MS has so much at stake, they are trying very hard to sustain their momentum.

Although profitable, MS Empire is under attack. MS have lost the Yahoo bid, Google/IBM is attacking their Office hegemony, Cloud computing is rendering OS unimportant..... MS will need another viable earning source, which currently look like XBOX business is the answer. Honestly, looking at MS and SONY management track record, I would think MS management has what it takes to secure 2nd place, and make decent profit. SONY need a new CEO, period.

Sony's Second-Quarter Net Profit Falls 72% as Yen Strengthens
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=new...id=a44.L1nn9O8w

It doesn't matter who has the best technology really, the strategy & MGMT quality of the company matter the most. look at history:
Window 95 VS OS/2 - OS/2 is better, but the old IBM screwed at everything.
N64 VS PS1 - N64 has better specs, but Nintendo lost to the new kid on the block. (Oh, GameCube VS PS2 as well)
Concorde VS Boeing 747 - Concorde is supersonic! UK + France airlines were forced to buy Concorde, no other airline give a shit.
VHS VS Betamax - Betamax is the pro! But the common man just love their porn better on VHS.
................................ etc etc

This post has been edited by neogeocdz: Nov 2 2008, 06:22 PM

It's sad to see the previous champ being beaten in this current gen though Their major wrong move was the massive development cost put into developing the PS3 thus higher console's pricing. I do believe SONY is able to wrestle back to the top spot if they develop the Playstation 4 with an enhanced CELL BE chip instead of using a different chip. This could lead to lower development cost thus affordably priced console

My prediction for this current gen will be:-

Nintendo Wii
Playstation 3
X360

The reason why I mentioned Playstation 3 will be the runner up is because their sales figure is marginally increasing bit by bit against X360. Once SONY announce a price cut, sales will boost. I believe there are many Americans out there which is frustrated with the X360 due to RROD. So once SONY reduce the price of their console, sales will definitely jump.

You have made a very powerless enemy..








j/k j/k

Entirely possible. If Howard Stringer step down ASAP.

Just hope that the competition continue to be really really fierce.
It can only be good for us - Customers.

At the meantime, by virtue of my profession. I truly hope that SONY CEO Howard Stringer should seriously step down.
Since the took over the helm (is it 2005?), SONY has continued its' downward spiral,
now even the jewel of SONY - PlayStation brand, has some what lost the shine it once enjoy.
Go Howard Go! Your shareholders, bond holders, lenders, bankers, customers, suppliers.... HATE YOU!
Go back to your UK mansion, play polo, have afternoon tea with the Queen, read your shakespeare whatever.

Going into PS4, should SONY wants to take back the crown they will have to be very very innovative.
Tech Spec is important, but still secondary to innovation.
Think of Nintendo, Apple Inc, Google, Starbucks.... Innovation makes them tons of profit.
DS & Wii are the best example, the game industry was transformed and money were made.
SONY have to make PS4 that is something so genius, and so desireable, and affordable, to win the competition.
Just like how they did it with Walkman.

Look at SONY, oh poor SONY. Walkman is not nearly as loved as iPod now.
Playstation has lost to Wii & 360.
Bravia? UMD? Memory Stick? Vaio?.... sexy, but not enough to kill LG Samsung Panasonic Apple....
Imagine, if Steve Jobs became SONY CEO.

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Added on November 2, 2008, 9:24 pm very powerless indeed, u r a 3DO fanboy!
My Neo Geo CD is better than your 3DO !

This post has been edited by neogeocdz: Nov 2 2008, 09:24 PM

lol, OT.

neways, other games using ps3 as lead development: burnout paradise, dead space, mirror's edge

here's a source: http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/08/04/ea-focu...me-development/

just to clarify, i'm not stating this to prove that one console is better than the other. i still think it just all boils down to the game developers, or bad time/resource management on their part, or bad QC, or just their basic inexperience/unwillingness dealing with a different toolset.

so if a game turns out good on one console, but not so good on the other, and if one really wants to point the finger or put the blame on someone, i think it should be the developers themselves. case in point: bethesda studios and fallout 3. some of the glitches i've heard happening on the ps3, like the game freezing when someone receives notification from PSN, seems unbelievable that it was able to pass through QC undetected. and bethesda's response to that was not promising a patch, like how 2k games promised a patch for bioshock ps3 shortly after it was released. their response was just this: click me!. i understand that it's difficult to detect bugs sometimes, especially in a game the size of fallout, but some of the reported bugs/glitches were pretty obvious.

this of course led to another fanboy war saying one console is better than the other. so my suggestion would be, why point your guns at each other, and just all collectively take it out on the developer instead? this may result in better QC for all platforms in the future as you have mounting pressure from owners of both platforms, even if a glitch only happens on 1 platform.

very utopian i know, but hey, one can dream, haha

now dats a new perspective..but it makes sense.the only reason why some games are not up to par could b due to developers negligience=) i believe all consoles have their own collection of great games and features..i'm glad this topic didnt draw much flak.thanx for the opinions and thoughs,guys and girls..

the only reason sony is falling behind is due to price.. it is a great console but if its to expensive then not everyone can afford it.. see how many merz on the road compare to kancil..

may be to afford the console would not be a matter but the game it self is another problem... the console is just few hundred expensive but the game is much more since u buy the console once but the game is many many time..

now wii is to most cheapest and affordable console in new gen era... so ppl will mostly go for that.... if sony can lower down the price of their game and hardware, they could win this round...

as for the game ported to other console which eliminate the exclusive ness.. some will feel angry and some cant care much on that... but really wats the big fuss.... if i am the developer also i will do the same... botom line these company need money to survive... so if they dies who gonna make new game? i have an xbox and i dont really mind if any of the title goes there as long inreturn there are game from there goes here... fair trade does it...

where are all the ps3 fanboys? i thought they're normally loud. cat got your tongue ke?

^^^^ lol..ni lagi 1 thread..mcm2 ada..kot orang dah senyap tu..same2 senyap suda..

hehe, come on.. dun instigate any anger there.. i'm sure there are xbox360 fanboys out there too who are loud=)but its good to see the feedback in this topic.btw,just curious..are there any games that were originally exclusive on the xbox360 dat got ported over to ps3?

erm, can't think of any, haha. i think none at the moment. got a wish list? for me, it would be fable. and maybe *whispers* ....gears of war...ahem..... *looks around for 360 fanboys who might laugh and ps3 fanboys who might attack*

to say non is not tru u see... recently release to ps3 saint row 2... is one of it.. so might wanna check ur fact again bro.. other than that bioshock, overlord etc...

This post has been edited by mambo: Nov 4 2008, 06:29 PM

im still waiting for Ace Combat to arrive
HAWX looks nice,but uh...so far nothing beats Ace Combat,IMO. *shudders at "top gun" games *

Hey dude, I am very surprise too....
and also very glad.
Every reply is well thought, civilized, and very informative.
I have great time reading everyone's view.

true, depends on the developers. like silent hill homecoming for instance, on both consoles also looks bad. more like last gen standard.


dun start...


he say can't remember, not non...
btw, how many that should be exclusive for ps3 but also come out to 360?

arguably 2 of the biggest:
FF13
Tekken 6


cant think of anything else atm..those two are what came to mind instantaneously

I'm thinking more, DMC4 & Last Remnant (it was initially a PS3 exclusive).. seems like PS3 normally "steals" FPS exclusives while 360 "steals" JRPGs in most cases

I think it more of the game than the console, I have friend that bought a gamecube just so that he could play The rogue squadron series.

I miss the ace combat series....

been following since PS1 days and now suddenly shocked that Ace Combat 6 is on 360???

so it's a give and take..there ARE xbox360 games that came out on the ps3=)hahah,nv reali gave that fact a thought coz i didnt know.i'm foreseeing more of the 'exclusives' turning non exclusives in the nx couple of months.coz the matter of fact is, every developer is definitely out to make money.why make a game exclusive only on one console if u can double it by producing it on 2 different consoles?rite?=)anyways,the global recession is hitting soon.bet these game companies need all the cash they can get..hahah