You mean the price of 220V subs will go up by 25%? I know that certification can be very expensive (depending on how many certs you want) but that is quite a large jump still.

That means those interested in SVS better get them sooner rather than later.

Best to let htkaki confirm this since I have no info on this issue.

Good question. Right now I don't think they have SIRIM cert yet. Once coming in more that might be a requirement.

I think within this year 2009 the level of sub ownership among forummers jumped so much. So many have or will soon have serious 'woofage'

By year end the LYN Sub Owners list will look quite different.

PB12-NSD will be able to play louder and deeper bass than SB12-Plus or CHT12Q. Out of the 3 it is also the biggest.

SB12-Plus is a sealed model and is quite compact. I would not suggest this unless you have serious space constraints.

12Q is the cheapest of them and is a decent performer. Of course the PB12-NSD will have superior performance but it's more expensive.


Registration is free and can be done online. So why need to ?

Yes it is the first official launch of SVS locally.

I think you will get your money's worth.

In the 6k range what other viable alternatives are there locally? I know there is the SPL1200 Ultra, but it would be outperformed by the PB12+. Anything else?

This post has been edited by jchong: Oct 2 2009, 06:35 PM

In terms of output, I don't think my F15 will outdo the PB12+ but I've not been able to demo a PB12+ yet. However, I have just had the chance to demo a PB13 Ultra! Will be posting my comments later...

My experience with the PB13-Ultra

Yesterday, I had the opportunity to listen to the SVS PB13-Ultra. Many thanks to htkaki who hooked me up with the owner and thanks also to the owner who graciously invited me for a listen.

The owner’s HT setup is in the living room and the PB13-Ultra was located in the front left corner of the room. Upon looking at the sub the first thing that strikes you is the size. It is huge! The unit came in rosenut finish, which is beautiful and classy.

The owner told me the sub’s gain was at the halfway mark and it was set about +3 dB hot compared the mains. Sub tuning was set at 15 Hz. Listening was done at -12 dB on the AVR’s master volume (louder than what I normally listen at) and demo movies were Kung Fu Panda, Iron Man and Pearl Harbour (all on DVD as the owner doesn’t have a BD player yet).

If I were to describe the PB13-Ultra in one word, it would be: POWERFUL. The sub is capable of massive output and big explosions would send tremors around the room. You could definitely feel the bass and on the right note it can hit you in the chest – I’ve heard this expression before but this is the first time I’ve actually experienced it! Loud scenes would result in the ceiling and windows rattling a bit. I pity the poor neighbours during the demo session

That said, I felt the bass to be overpowering at times. There was some boominess and this could muddle the bass definition a bit. Bass was not as tight or fast as I prefer (but still better than lower end ported subs). However, I think this is a room interaction issue and due to the high level the sub was playing at (the owner loves his bass). With a sub this powerful, I feel that room setup and acoustics is crucial as a sub like this can easily outperform the room. Don’t imagine you can just plonk this sub anywhere in your room and it will perform at its best. The thing is, this sub still hasn’t reached its full potential yet in the owner’s room. I believe htkaki will be coming in future to help the owner do some further fine tuning (hint: good opportunity to introduce the EQ1). Once fully optimized I believe the bass quality of the PB13-Ultra will be even better.

Next... how does it compare to my F15

When it comes to output, there is no contest - the PB13-Ultra is capable of much more output than the F15. Play the PB13-Ultra loud and it can deliver very visceral bass. To come close to that (not equal) I had to set my sub trim about +9 dB hot, but if I keep that setting the F15 will run out of steam during the big scenes. So the F15 certainly does not have the headroom that the PB13-Ultra has. The F15 does have the edge when it comes to speed, articulation and tightness. This is probably due to its sealed nature.

Yup, he said halfway mark and IIRC the sub trim at -3 dB. So you can imagine how hot he was driving the PB13-Ultra - there was a lot of pressure in the room indeed. But the amazing thing is the limit still not reached yet and the sub did not sound strained. Anyway, my guess is it was hitting 105-110 dB bass peaks easily, maybe even higher.



I would agree that the setting can be further fine tuned and even better performance can be unlocked.

Hope they didn't get any hearing damage

Yes, it is a living hall in a 2 storey link house. Separated from staircase and dining area with a wall, but there is passageway opening to those areas. Estimate about 18-20' long, 10-12' wide.

Your's is bigger because open to dining and staircase. If just refer to your living room, it's about the same.

The PB13 will be more than enough for u. Your listening level is quite low so you won't be pushing the PB13 anywhere close to its limits. If you did play it as loud as when we did the demo, everything in your cabinet will be rattling!

The Y-splitter is adding around +3 dB gain to your sub. In effect you are increasing the level of the sub with the Y-splitter. So that could be the diff.

Anyway, glad you found your sweet spot with the PC12+

That's in the best case scenario - where the 2 subs are co-located. If the subs are separated it might be less than +6 dB, more like somewhere in +3 to +6 dB.

Yup, that is co-location.

That will be quite sufficient for your room, since the size is only 11' x 11'.

So by then there will be 3 SVS owners in Ipoh And all the 3 ranges from SVS will be represented, from NSD to Plus to Ultra.

Yeah I met the other guy too that day. He's eagerly awaiting his PB12+

12Q can get for around RM2.7k. I'm quite sure the 12NSD will outperform the 12Q in LFE - it will go deeper and louder.

The only advantage of the 12Q is the Auto EQ function which will help a bit in ironing out the freq response, but if your AVR has Audyssey then don't really need the Auto EQ function.

This post has been edited by jchong: Oct 10 2009, 06:03 PM

That EQ is different from the one within Audyssey.