What is considered to be a TRUE and MATURE professional gamer in COD 4?

When I face tubers, I know I am no better to their one-grenade-launcher-kills because that would be an equalvalent to a PRO shooting a player's head. So I do not complain about tubers.

When I face matyrdoms, I take them as a CHALLENGE to practice my split-second retreats. I find them highly important for me as it will gradually improve my running while playing ninja as evading shots from players is my forte.

And when I face P90s, please. Although P90 has minimal recoil, they are weak compared to the popular RPDs and AKs. P90 sucks anyway. Why complain about people who want to use them?

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 1 2008, 09:32 PM

Say sorry after u killed someone.

or never use word n00b or call anyone noob in any ways

say sorry after u kill sumone. then give them a chance to hurt u then kill them after u feel thats enough hurting

Bullshit lar. If like that how to get kill streaks?

Why should I give face to people who CANNOT take losing? (KIASU)

i mean let them hurt u but not kill u. so u maybe still can get the streaks

Aiya, those emo bastards if they are emo, and if they cannot kill you they still emo one.

That is.... if you're playing in pub servers.... How would you like it if you're playing competitively? (eg. tourney)

lol...it just a game,relax and enjoy..
whatever they want to use no problem,its their right,it's in the game so just use it..
if you take this whole things seriously then you are the one EMO,i been an admin in cod4 server quite for sumtimes edi,meet all kind of people,toobers ,matyr and even cheater,there no point being emo over them just chilled out,enjoy the game and have fun..

why dun u just ignore them? simple and easy.

Ah~ it's always nice to host a game in ModWarfare and type in these codes in the console "~"

/set weap_allow_p90 0
/set attach_allow_assault_gl 0
/set perk_allow_specialty_grenadepulldeath 0

then they'll join the game and start whining "where's my favourite weapon???"

Not all play ModWarfare though,...
Dont think they know that thing exist too...

a last stand guy that always kills you

Well, I wouldn't practice my spilt second retreats if I were you, running from martyr nades isn't that hard anyway. I would practice tossing back the nade like this guy.


Oh yea, when I whine and b*tch about martyrs, I don't b*tch because they poop out a nade everytime I kill em. I b*tch because the fuse time of a martyr nade is 2.5 seconds (normal nade has 3.5 sec fuse). I also b*tch about it because there is no way to stop those morons from pooping the nade (unlike last stand where it will not activate if the player is killed by headshot, explosives, knife and fall. Makes me wonder why didn't IW implement that onto martyrnoob. )

P90? WEAK??? You've gotta be kiddin me. Smgs have the most accurate hip firing accuracy of all the classes and P90 stand out of them all for the fact that it fires 925 rpm (same fire rate as M249 and M16's 3 round burst). The only weapon that can beat P90 in terms of rof in the smg category is Uzi (950rpm). And let me tell you why Uzi, although deals the same amount of damage as P90 per bullet and slightly higher rof, is actually weaker than P90:

1. P90 has 50 rounds of ammunition per clip compared to Uzi's 32 rounds. In combat, not all rounds fired will hit the target. Unless if you're leet enough to put the first 3 bullets right into the enemy's torso, P90 will stand out in prolong combat.
2. Here's a little recoil comparism between the 2 weapons (the higher the value, the higher the recoil, dum dum [the negative value shows different direction]):
Uzi
adsViewKickPitchMin = -50
adsViewKickPitchMax = 80
adsViewKickYawMin = 75
adsViewKickYawMax = -75

P90
adsViewKickPitchMin = -30
adsViewKickPitchMax = 60
adsViewKickYawMin = 60
adsViewKickYawMax = -70

Obviously, as the number had shown, P90 have lower recoil compared to Uzi.

You might be wondering why I'm comparing P90 with Uzi when you're comparing P90 with RPD/AKs. That's because different category of weapons merit different playstyle. There's absolutely no way that you're gonna run n' gun with a LMG as effectively as a SMG and it's pretty unlikely that you'll gonna camp better with a SMG than a LMG. The reason why I'm comparing Uzi and P90 is because Uzi has the closest characteristic to P90 than other smgs (just for your information, I think Uzi is pretty balanced along with other smgs). Combat experience and in-game values have shown that the P90 is slightly overpowered compared to other smgs.

Well, thats all my rant I have to type for today. I bet some of you guys will be like . It's my semester break anyway, so I have all the time to post some junk like I always do.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 2 2008, 12:17 AM

Don't dodge marty nades... throw them back. Much funner that way.

TS, whats your IGN anyway? Never actually met a number of COD players from LYN.

I thought matyr nades only last less than 3 sec before going Kaboom? Lil bit short time go throw it

This post has been edited by NicJolin: Oct 2 2008, 01:31 AM

Picking it up and toss it away doesn't require 2 seconds. It's all about your fingers' response. Some people has very fast fingers while some has dumb fingers like me...

Furthermore, if the nade detonated the moment you picked it up or when the nade is in your hand, it will be counted as a suicide. Sometimes can even complete "Misery Loves Company" challenge with it...


On a side note, I started playing COD using the GL at first and frankly speaking, tubing is boring... Nothing beats the excitement of carrying a barette 50cal running around the battlefield and spray enemies at pointblank with it... XD

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Oct 2 2008, 01:42 AM

The nade needs to be in your hands for a period of time before it's counted as suicide. Otherwise, it'll still be considered and your opponent's kill. In most cases, martyr nade's 2.5 sec fuse isn't enough for you to suicide when the nade is still in your hands. It needs to leave your hand to count as suicide due the the short period of time.

create a class with 3xFrag,Sonic Boom and Matrydoom=Grenadier lol

HAHAHAHA COME NARAKKA PLAY LA IF UR PRO

LOLWUT? Joke of the day. Narakka players in general are hardly pro, most of them are assisted by less-than-popular perks. Argue all you want that its part of the game, stop whining, yadda yadda, but face it, you ain't gonna get any better if you continue hugging your P90 with steady aim like your mushy blankie. And now, 3x frags are a trend in small maps with >20 players! *facepalm*

Fragnetics' players has better standards for some good ol' TDM brawling. And then there are scrims...

for me matry and GL just to easy to use and too darn annoying,

plus p90 is an mini mg. it can take out anything in its range.

although it cant compete with a real MG.

but i just hate tube and matry users.

for me, if you want to be a true player of COD4 lay down the matry and keep ur hands off the Nade Launcher.

you wont learn anything.

This post has been edited by slainemcroth: Oct 2 2008, 01:21 PM

if your response is fast enough you can hear the sound of bomb dropping wut, hardcore mode even better no bomb detector

wakakakakkaka narakka pro??man that the lamest statement of the century,with it lag under power server and full of kiddo that you call a pro?narakka is just same level as garena only..

Actually i prefer to play in BVPN more than narakka. But its always empty other than weekends

Beh tahan all the nade fest in narakka

What if I tell you that although the P90 has the blessing of low recoil, high rate of fire, and abundance of clips, it is NOTHING compared to a PRO who is able to KILL you FIRST with his/her RPD/AK (due to it's superior weapon damage) and HIS REFINED marksmanship?

I've experimented many times although the P90 is good for n00bs who has no experience in accuracy, it is NO MATCH to a player WHO CAN AIM with an RPD or an AK.

In other words, no matter how WEAK or POWERFUL a gun may be, if a player CAN'T SHOOT WELL, he/she CAN'T DO SHIT.



This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 11 2008, 11:41 AM

As I've already said earlier, it's a moot point to compare the P90 with RPD/AK-47 because different category of weapons merit different purposes/playstyle.

If you compare P90 against other smgs, the P90 is slightly overpowered. Which is why so many phuckin noobz like to use it....

.... just imagine if a PRO uses it. GG.

That is why they ban it in competitive play. Because THEY ALL CAN SHOOT.

And FYI RPD is a gay weapon as well. Don't know why no one's taken it out of the Malaysian ruleset yet.

100 rounds ready to fire and wallspam without reloading. Wtf?

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Oct 11 2008, 01:18 PM

RPD ghey? idk man, coz the M60 has lower recoil and higher CQC damage compared to RPD.

FYI, Deagle is ghey as well.

It's superior base damage, hip firing accuracy, and penetration rendered no good reason to use other pistols other than the silencers.

But hey, since it's not banned from tourney, I'm sooooo gonna use it

haih everything is ghey la nowdays...its like a trend,like you and aeon before

Isn't the M60 the mounted machine gun?

About the Deagle, it's definitelya good gun. But in Malaysian ruleset with HC mode, I'd rather go for USP or M9. Better accuracy and higher rounds.

Deagle's accuracy is pretty bad sometimes and only has 7 rounds.

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Oct 11 2008, 01:58 PM

No, M60 is the 3rd LMG.

Although Malaysian ruleset for SnD is HC mode, the hp will be set to 60 instead of the normal 30. Screws up the balance if you ask me.

but u know deagle will kill with 1 bullet in hc mode...if u can aim with deagle well enough....its quite imba

If you can shoot your USP fast enough and control you're aiming, it's definitely a better choice. And basically, any gun in HC is imba .

The 30 hp difference would make a difference I guess but then again it's all down to preference. I'll definitely use Deagle in a normal mode.

I've only played on the Malaysian rulesets once so I'm not exactly sure but it's definitely Deagle, hands down, in Promod.


Oh now I know what the M60 is =P.

But IMO RPD > M60 because the RPD has less recoil and faster rate of fire. And definitely better iron sights.

The M60's iron sights are just...horrible. And the gun has a slower rate of fire as well.

This post has been edited by Strayfah: Oct 11 2008, 02:44 PM

Promod? Is it the mod where they removed the gun sway from all weapons?

Er.... no, M60 has lesser recoil than RPD. Proven by the raw code in the iw_11.iwd file.

Here's a comparison between the RPD and M60 in terms of ViewKick
RPD
adsViewKickPitchMin = 15
adsViewKickPitchMax = 60
adsViewKickYawMin = -70
adsViewKickYawMax = 70

M60E4
adsViewKickPitchMin = 10
adsViewKickPitchMax = 65
adsViewKickYawMin = 50
adsViewKickYawMax = -55

slow fire rate, but high damage.

M60 + Stopping power = 1 shot kill in HC. Basically a 100-bullets sniper rifle.

If M60 has the fire rate of M249SAW= GG lah.

If HC hp is normal (30 hp), ALL weapons can kill in 1 shot at short range WITHOUT stopping power.

wacko, I mentioned "sniper rifle" there...

Hmmm.... then lets see what are the weapons that can be considered as sniper rifles other than the sniper rifles themselves:
M16
AK-47
G3
M14
MP44
M249
RPD
M60
Deagle

Well maybe the M60 does have less recoil but then again you can't shoot shit with an iron sight like that so it defeats the purpose. RPD still prevails =P


And sorry kompressor, but I really don't get your point lol

since everything is gay just ban all and use knives...oh wait. knives are gay too cause its a one hit kill *sarcasm*

actually the only imba thing is the grenade launcher. launch one nade and the guy on the receiving end can only utter wtf before getting killed.

martyrdom? kacang. hear a little tinkle and run like the wind.

p90? tried that against the uzi and mp5. personally, i love the uzi cause i can run all over the place, but it has a little less damage. p90? watergun lol. doesn't kill fast enough (ie, takes 1sec too long to kill), and one sec extra is no good for my hit and run. mp5 is my preference though.

whats really noobish in any game is the people who yell haxxorz or cheaters or randomly kick people out for no reason. tbh, every gun has its downsides and upsides....and this is turning into technical cod talk haha

p/s: dont like deagle...USP ftw.

That's what EVERYONE sez. It common sense, but in reality, it's easier said than done.

Here are some quotes from the IW forum
These are just a few quotes out of many. Those bunch of Captian Obvious just kept stating what all our common sense already knew (run away, throw it away, bla bla bla). But what those fellow didn't put into comsideration is that during actual gameplay, things are alot more complex than that which results in the victim's death.

To me, martyr is a totally *insert profanity here* up perk coz it doesn't get canceled by headshot, grenade, knife or fall unlike last stand.


I think I'll have to agree with that one, it rewards players for dying

Not all class can run like wind, though.

i see your points, i usually have a 70% chance of escaping a martyrdom, and a 40% chance of killing if i use martyrdom. i do get frust, but its quite escapable imo, and not that effective.

emo ppl are emo..

Have you ever killed someone at range but then they have martyr but you can't hear the sound of a nade dropping because you're too far away and everyone around you is firing like mad and nade spamming and just when you thought it was safe to go there his matyr nade explodes?




That's f***ed up my friend.




And if a person who knows how to handle a gun uses a P90, you're pretty f***ed because he can take out 2-3 people easily without reloading due to the high rounds.

Moral of the lesson : Don't walk near to the dead.

But seriously, to me m60 is better than RPD, and only idiots will actually hold the left click mouse to spam the LMGs. IMO LMGs are meant to tab it. I can get more kills with M60 rather than RPD. m60 with stopping power, 2 shot 1 kill. That's what I know after I play enormously amount of time when I play in a certain map. P90s are enough to counter, even easier to counter it when a noob is holding it. Run around and knife! Tubes are unavoidable when you meet [MBT]TokSanTaU. He will just friggin tube you from the overgrown starting point of each side, to another starting point.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Oct 11 2008, 09:04 PM

I still think the Iron sights for the M60 is gay

But then again, who am I to say? I don't play LMG's.

o_O mini uzi ftw ~.~

wrong... ak74 ftw LOL

Hehe, AK-74u = ghey

i know but it's nto banned like the p90 ^^

Face it people.

ALL WEAPONS ARE GHEY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

IT'S NOOBS WHO COMPLAINED NOT BECAUSE OF A GUN YOU USE, BUT RATHER THEIR INCAPABILITY TO ADAPT TO THE SITUATION.

Not really. The P90 is nothing compare to the beginner gun: MP5.

At first when I used the P90, I thought it was ghey too like:

"Wow! Like no recoil man! I can just use stopping power and start pwning people!"

And then I realized the MP5 is a better weapon.

WHY?

BECAUSE RECOIL DOES NOT MATTER TO THOSE WHO KNOW HOW TO USE THE GUN.

And since the MP5 has MORE DAMAGE than a P90, it KILLS FASTER. AND SO ARE ALL LMGs.

Recoil and rate of fire are SUPERFICIAL. The ABILITY TO SHOOT is EVERYTHING.

TO BLAME THE GUN, is to be in DENIAL that you SIMPLY are NOT GOOD ENOUGH, and you need IMPROVEMENT and IMPROVISION in your hand-eye-mind-soul coordination.





And btw, is a PRO uses a P90, I don't mind having a gun fight with him/her with a USP. And then he'll start BANNING USPs.

Remember, IT'S NOT THE GUN.

IT'S YOU.

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 12:25 AM

Come, I use P90, u use MP5.

Aren't you the guy who kept getting pwned by the Van Ders like hell the other day?

I remember one guy Van Der Shulz or Schulz (not sure) kept pwning you with his MP5 and P90 interchangebly.

So? your point is? And if I really got pwned then?

Is this thread started so that we'll argue with each other about what gun sucks or is overpowered? Or how does a gun affect your gameplay or does not? "What is considered to be a TRUE and MATURE" thread indeed.

The problem is the TS is immature itself.

Didn't the EXPERIENCE PROVES that P90 is ACTUALLY NOT THAT POWERFUL?

Do u experienced it? how do u know I'd think that?

Is it because I use CAPS too much? Thought that will get the message into people heads.

Lol, don't talk cock lar. The other day I still remember how you complain about some Van Der guy's gun.

Perhaps you were imagining that you were also "MATURE" at that time.

Don't make me laugh.

If that wasn't your experience then how do you justify your previous taunt by proposing me a challenge between you using the P90 and me using the MP5?

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 12:39 AM

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! FLAME WARS!!! Lets paaaaaarrrrrtiiiieeeee

Well, if every game has a few idiots with no life who goes so far as to study the game's code, I'm one of those idiots.

I've compared EVERY weapon in the game in terms of recoil, rof, dmg, hip firing accuracy, gun sway, magazine capacity, bullet penetration, etc... heck, I even went as far as to study the cartriges they fire (yes, it's in the game dammit, Deagle fires the .357 catridge in the game )

<------------------ No life b4stard

I can tell you now that of all the comparison I've done, P90 is slightly (yes, get me? slightly. It's a word you know? ) overpowered compared to other smgs. If everything for you is "based on experience", then chances are that I know more about those weapons than you do.

<------------------ egoistic b4stard

No offence intended. Plz dun flame me

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 13 2008, 12:44 AM

stop arguing plz ....both u gonna get some ass whopping on tuesday if u guys dun stop

This post has been edited by Pro-MX: Oct 13 2008, 12:44 AM

Being killed in a public server with a certain gun does not justify anything unless you personally spectate that person in Spectator mode. There are too many people on a server to really know what's going in your surroundings.

Complaining about people's gun isn't important either. Everyone has complained before when they get heated up. Don't tell me you've never complained before,get irritated or annoyed at a person who's been killing you after you took out 3 people before you died to him/her. It's absolutely normal to complain.

This post has been edited by Mr.Pikachu: Oct 13 2008, 12:45 AM

Did I complain? Ya, might be u get it as complain. I just say P90 is banned in tourney, then he said "I don't play tourney" then I don't care, if he pwned me using P90 I also don't mind, because it was a pub game, who the f*** care about who use what gun, except he's tubing, that for me quite unacceptable.

What's wrong with joking? K, I don't mind if u take it seriously. And I don't get your point, seriously. Some more, I didn't say myself is matured.

This post has been edited by [xEF]syNc: Oct 13 2008, 12:46 AM

Luftwacko.

The only time when you can say you know more about weapons than me is when you ASSUMED that the APPLICATION of those guns are EXQUISITELY SIMILAR to EVERYONE.

And.

Unfortunately for you, every single individual have unique and subjective application to the guns, so no matter how much you know WHAT A GUN DOES, you'll never know HOW A PERSON USES A GUN.

Relax lar.

i love to use martydom and there is nothing you can do about it lalala

Well yea, different ppl have different play style. But lets say if there's 2 players with equal skill level and play style, one with MP5, the other with P90, chances are that the P90 will emerge victorious over the engagement.

OMFWTFBBQ!!! Martyrfreak!!! Kick choyster, KICK!!!

Kick choyster
(F1) Yes : 1 (F2) No : 0



This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 13 2008, 12:54 AM

I don't.

No no, I'm not being an all-self-moral-righteous-*******.

I just don't complain about people killing me in COD 4.

Sorry.

Lol, err...I only know how to speak English, if you don't get my point then maybe you'll need a translator, sorry.

Haha, I don't mind even if you tube.

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 12:56 AM

But somehow, some ppl mind whenever I pick up a martyrnade and throw it back to my opponents.... dunno why...

A hypocrite is always a hypocrite.
I just wanna say I don't understand actually u support P90 as balanced or imbalance weapon? U try and re-read your replies.

This post has been edited by [xEF]syNc: Oct 13 2008, 01:04 AM

You forgot about psychology.

In the process of gaming, it's not just about PLAY STYLE.

Their brains are doing super-speed-evaluation-calculation which in turn affects their gaming REACTION and BRAIN-to-BODY-to-HAND-to-LEFT CLICK + MOUSE CLICK + KEYBOARD COORDINATION.

And since these brains are conditioned by their EVERYDAY LIVES, they ALL have DIFFERENT PERCEPTION and EVALUATION on their CALCULATION, which in turn affects their DECISION-MAKING ABILITY, in which successfully creating a psychological chain reaction from the MIND, to the KEYBOARD + MOUSE, and to the FRAG and DEATH ratio in the GAME.

I always press F2 lol.

You're TOO PRO for them mar. They cannot take losing so they lose their cool lor.

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 01:06 AM

i dun mind what weapon the opponent use either....pub server is for u to have fun....so just use whatever u want....when i get killed by people i only look at myself being a noob instead of whining what guns the opponent was using

whatever it is..

Going suppressed P90 with 3x Frag, Double Tap and Matry once in a while is so much fun....

btw, all these perks/weapons are in the game.. go make noise at IW for putting them there and stop arguing on who supports what..

tourneys bans certain perks/weapons coz it creates imbalances in the game.. just gotta live with it if u wan to join tourneys

This post has been edited by james2306: Oct 13 2008, 01:14 AM

It's not about whether I support P90 as balanced weapon or not lar.

It's about how WRONG people are when they BLAME your gun instead of THEMSELVES.

And if you want to call me a hypocrite, I guess you don't know me that well to call me that?

Not forgetting to mention that I have the UPPER-HAND of knowing how YOU WHINE in SRC.

That's the spirit of learning.

Don't get too caught up thinking that you're PRO.

I guess I'll avoid tourneys.

Maybe I will play COD 4 for FUN, and become a LAWYER for ACCOMPLISHMENT.



This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 01:19 AM

In a for-fun game where everybody goes weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I don't mind if you tube or martyr etc. But then if play serious, I'll get emo if anyone use ghey stuff.

Nah, the best fun is Overkill 4x tube and martyr.

Nah, I just got lucky.

I remember one time when everyone was play knife only (or shotgun only, can't remember ), I killed this martyr dude and when he poops out a nade, I picked it up and threw it directly at my feet, 3 "fresh meats" came and we all died together. Hehe

But then everyone accused me of using martyrdom, I defended myself by saying that I threw someone ELSE's martyr nade. Host typed /kick Luftwacko and I'm out.

There's a cantonese saying "sek sei mao" (eat dead cat), apparently, I "sek" the real culprit's "sei mao". He's suppose to be kicked from the game instead of me

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 13 2008, 01:20 AM

sniper is imba 1 hit kill can you cant react in time to find the sniper

LOL! PRO!

Kay kay, must try to pick up matyrs' nades.

And to those people who kicked you for their OWN MISHAP:

"COME TO THIS THREAD AND CHALLENGE MY RESOLVE IF YOU DARE".

You shoot one time the whole world knows where you are lar.

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 01:26 AM

not if u got 10 v 10 on a ffa LOL

Not really, I think automatic weapons have a higher chance of being detected than snipers.

Snipers will just go "BAAAAANNNNGGGG!!!" and vanish.

Fully automatic weapons like RPD/AK-47 will go like "BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG...." in rapid succession, more easily detected than a single bullet.

And also, you'll get to see the tracers easily.

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Oct 13 2008, 01:27 AM

More likely the flare of the guns are exposing you.

how can 10 v 10 then FFA summore?



20 man FFA... dem geng.. GG lar

Usually FFA is for shipment and killzone.

HOW to snipe lar

3x frag, sonic boom and martyr will come in handy

Can,all you have to do is stay one corner(hopefully you don't get naded by then) shoot one fella down,laugh,take out your handgun and run to the next corner and continue what you have been doing. Lolz....

Snipers go BANGGG, vanish, and then notice me.

Yup , I play ninja and I eat snipers for lunch.

Lol, at first I thought the silencers will shield the flares.

That'll be so cool for me.

Lol, 20 ppl FFA and then all play matrydom.

MINEFIELD PWNAGE!!!


3x frag works so well in Bog and Wetworks.

Lol, I do that sometimes.

This post has been edited by Noobimus: Oct 13 2008, 01:35 AM

Aiyah.. this fella don't understand, I mean... so what if I whine? He's pro I'm noob? Yea he is, and I am, I told u whatever u think it's whine or not, but I just telling him that's banned, it's conducted in SRC, I'm fuc*** serious, just that u don't play that long, and don't know what's happening inside, k? That time no 1 was complaining simply because he was using MP5, then change to P90, then change again to MP5, am I wrong? and take note that I JUST ******* TELLING HIM. understand? I don't argue in internet which makes me look retarded.

Give it a rest dude. If I catch you whining in SRC again, be certain that it will be leaked in this thread.

Chill la. It's over.

hmmm is that consider mature?why EMO??

OK, be assured that u record it as demo, upload it to www.gotfrag.com, or www.xfire.com, or even youtube, then start new thread in front or just put it here. Eh, I no need to tell u, u know how to do it, good luck