say sorry after u kill sumone. then give them a chance to hurt u then kill them after u feel thats enough hurting

i mean let them hurt u but not kill u. so u maybe still can get the streaks

P90? WEAK??? You've gotta be kiddin me. Smgs have the most accurate hip firing accuracy of all the classes and P90 stand out of them all for the fact that it fires 925 rpm (same fire rate as M249 and M16's 3 round burst). The only weapon that can beat P90 in terms of rof in the smg category is Uzi (950rpm). And let me tell you why Uzi, although deals the same amount of damage as P90 per bullet and slightly higher rof, is actually weaker than P90:

1. P90 has 50 rounds of ammunition per clip compared to Uzi's 32 rounds. In combat, not all rounds fired will hit the target. Unless if you're leet enough to put the first 3 bullets right into the enemy's torso, P90 will stand out in prolong combat.
2. Here's a little recoil comparism between the 2 weapons (the higher the value, the higher the recoil, dum dum  [the negative value shows different direction]):
Uzi
adsViewKickPitchMin = -50
adsViewKickPitchMax = 80
adsViewKickYawMin = 75
adsViewKickYawMax = -75

P90
adsViewKickPitchMin = -30
adsViewKickPitchMax = 60
adsViewKickYawMin = 60
adsViewKickYawMax = -70

Obviously, as the number had shown, P90 have lower recoil compared to Uzi.

You might be wondering why I'm comparing P90 with Uzi when you're comparing P90 with RPD/AKs. That's because different category of weapons merit different playstyle. There's absolutely no way that you're gonna run n' gun with a LMG as effectively as a SMG and it's pretty unlikely that you'll gonna camp better with a SMG than a LMG. The reason why I'm comparing Uzi and P90 is because Uzi has the closest characteristic to P90 than other smgs (just for your information, I think Uzi is pretty balanced along with other smgs). Combat experience and in-game values have shown that the P90 is slightly overpowered compared to other smgs.

Well, thats all my rant I have to type for today. I bet some of you guys will be like  . It's my semester break anyway, so I have all the time to post some junk like I always do. 

As I've already said earlier, it's a moot point to compare the P90 with RPD/AK-47 because different category of weapons merit different purposes/playstyle.

If you compare P90 against other smgs, the P90 is slightly overpowered. Which is why so many phuckin noobz like to use it....

.... just imagine if a PRO uses it. GG. 

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 12:25 AM]

Come, I use P90, u use MP5.

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 12:30 AM]
So? your point is? And if I really got pwned then?

Is this thread started so that we'll argue with each other about what gun sucks or is overpowered? Or how does a gun affect your gameplay or does not? "What is considered to be a TRUE and MATURE" thread indeed.

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 12:32 AM]
The problem is the TS is immature itself.

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 12:34 AM]
Do u experienced it? how do u know I'd think that?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! FLAME WARS!!! Lets paaaaaarrrrrtiiiieeeee       
Well, if every game has a few idiots with no life who goes so far as to study the game's code, I'm one of those idiots.

I've compared EVERY weapon in the game in terms of recoil, rof, dmg, hip firing accuracy, gun sway, magazine capacity, bullet penetration, etc... heck, I even went as far as to study the cartriges they fire (yes, it's in the game dammit, Deagle fires the .357 catridge in the game  )

<------------------ No life b4stard 

I can tell you now that of all the comparison I've done, P90 is slightly (yes, get me? slightly. It's a word you know?  ) overpowered compared to other smgs. If everything for you is "based on experience", then chances are that I know more about those weapons than you do. 

<------------------ egoistic b4stard   

stop arguing plz 

Being killed in a public server with a certain gun does not justify anything unless you personally spectate that person in Spectator mode. There are too many people on a server to really know what's going in your surroundings.

Complaining about people's gun isn't important either. Everyone has complained before when they get heated up. Don't tell me you've never complained before,get irritated or annoyed at a person who's been killing you after you took out 3 people before you died to him/her. It's absolutely normal to complain.

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 12:45 AM]
Did I complain? Ya, might be u get it as complain. I just say P90 is banned in tourney, then he said "I don't play tourney" then I don't care, if he pwned me using P90 I also don't mind, because it was a pub game, who the f*** care about who use what gun, except he's tubing, that for me quite unacceptable.

What's wrong with joking? K, I don't mind if u take it seriously. And I don't get your point, seriously. Some more, I didn't say myself is matured.

i love to use martydom and there is nothing you can do about it lalala

Well yea, different ppl have different play style. But lets say if there's 2 players with equal skill level and play style, one with MP5, the other with P90, chances are that the P90 will emerge victorious over the engagement.

OMFWTFBBQ!!! Martyrfreak!!! Kick choyster, KICK!!!

Kick choyster
(F1) Yes : 1   (F2) No : 0

But somehow, some ppl mind whenever I pick up a martyrnade and throw it back to my opponents.... dunno why... 

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 01:02 AM]
A hypocrite is always a hypocrite.
I just wanna say I don't understand actually u support P90 as balanced or imbalance weapon? U try and re-read your replies.

i dun mind what weapon the opponent use either....pub server is for u to have fun....so just use whatever u want....when i get killed by people i only look at myself being a noob instead of whining what guns the opponent was using 

whatever it is..

Going suppressed P90 with 3x Frag, Double Tap and Matry once in a while is so much fun....

btw, all these perks/weapons are in the game.. go make noise at IW for putting them there and stop arguing on who supports what..

tourneys bans certain perks/weapons coz it creates imbalances in the game.. just gotta live with it if u wan to join tourneys

In a for-fun game where everybody goes weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I don't mind if you tube or martyr etc. But then if play serious, I'll get emo if anyone use ghey stuff.
Nah, the best fun is Overkill 4x tube and martyr. 
Nah, I just got lucky.

I remember one time when everyone was play knife only (or shotgun only, can't remember  ), I killed this martyr dude and when he poops out a nade, I picked it up and threw it directly at my feet, 3 "fresh meats" came and we all died together. Hehe 

But then everyone accused me of using martyrdom, I defended myself by saying that I threw someone ELSE's martyr nade. Host typed /kick Luftwacko and I'm out. 

There's a cantonese saying "sek sei mao" (eat dead cat), apparently, I "sek" the real culprit's "sei mao". He's suppose to be kicked from the game instead of me 

sniper is imba 1 hit kill can you cant react in time to find the sniper

not if u got 10 v 10 on a ffa LOL

Not really, I think automatic weapons have a higher chance of being detected than snipers.

Snipers will just go "BAAAAANNNNGGGG!!!" and vanish.

Fully automatic weapons like RPD/AK-47 will go like "BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG...." in rapid succession, more easily detected than a single bullet.

And also, you'll get to see the tracers easily. 

More likely the flare of the guns are exposing you.

how can 10 v 10 then FFA summore?

       

20 man FFA... dem geng.. GG lar

3x frag, sonic boom and martyr will come in handy 

Can,all you have to do is stay one corner(hopefully you don't get naded by then) shoot one fella down,laugh,take out your handgun and run to the next corner and continue what you have been doing. Lolz....

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 01:34 AM]
Aiyah.. this fella don't understand, I mean... so what if I whine? He's pro I'm noob? Yea he is, and I am, I told u whatever u think it's whine or not, but I just telling him that's banned, it's conducted in SRC, I'm fuc*** serious, just that u don't play that long, and don't know what's happening inside, k? That time no 1 was complaining simply because he was using MP5, then change to P90, then change again to MP5, am I wrong? and take note that I JUST ******* TELLING HIM. understand? I don't argue in internet which makes me look retarded.

Chill la. It's over.

hmmm is that consider mature?why EMO??

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 01:42 AM]
OK, be assured that u record it as demo, upload it to www.gotfrag.com, or www.xfire.com, or even youtube, then start new thread in front or just put it here. Eh, I no need to tell u, u know how to do it, good luck 

I HATE skilled snipers, they'll plant claymores so strategically that even if you DO manage to sneak in with bombsquad, you'll have to trigger the clay in one way or another, by the time you manage to sneak behind the sniper, he'll have his sidearm already drawn out and waiting for you 

Well, silencer don't really elliminate the muzzle flash problem but it merely reduces the flash (I'm toking in the real life perspective anyway so I don't know if the muzzle flash is really gone with silencers attached in the game, coz I usually pay more attention to the tracers)

Mmmmmmm..... Bog.... it's one of the maps where you can easilly tube across the map from one end to another. 

Chill adi, chill...

syNc,Oct 13 2008, 01:56 AM]
I'm not sure, theoretically it is, but I don't find it quite big different, it just makes the nades got higher range, added up 125%. Correct me if I wrong 

Umm, bro, did I continue? I didn't flame or anything, just telling u, don't know why u always find excuses to makes myself bad, as u know, my reputation is bad already, no need to add more. And previous replies is goes to u, not me 

What I really meant was, even if you KNOW that the clays are there and manage to sneak past unscratched, you'll have to trip a well placed clay one way or another, which alerts the sniper and gives him a few precious seconds to brace himself. 

Nah, nade's blast radius is not increased by the perk. It's just that the damage is increased in such a way that you'll be in dipshit even though you're at the edge of the blast radius. (You're rite about 125% increase in explosives damage though  ). Not sure about other explosives like RPG and C4 though, might increase the blast radius?