Yup, definitely fringing. It's an older lens. I heard the newer Nikkor's no longer have this (the 70-200VR for example). But alas, there's no update to the 85mm f1.4. But I really think I can live with the fringing 

asfax, I think you were just asking for fun. You knew you'd get this kind of pricing right?

Where are you from? Why so far up north?

nope...is it better than the siggy one?

With regard to my stupidity, to each his/her own they say.

I'm surely happy you are not jealous, because I find showing off gear distasteful. I'll be damned if I do that. I apologize if I sound snobbish. That is NOT my purpose. Showing off pics is much more fun 

Which is a better lens? That's debatable. What's more important is each piece of glass has a purpose and fits a shooting style. Bugger shooters will have macro lenses, event shooters will probably own a f2.8 telephoto zoom and landscape shooters an UWA lens (everyone should own a normal lens though hehe). Are all macro shooters stupid simply because I can't comprehend a need for a macro lens? Absolutely not.

If one own many glasses because they are 'nikkor's best' or 'the trinity' or whatever, then, that's very sad.

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Added on September 23, 2008, 11:38 pm

Just in case you are interested - YL Camera in Pudu Plaza is selling the D90 RM 2650 body only. Add 1K for the kit lens package.

Skip the lens I say

The distortion is exactly why you should go for the Sigma. Complaining about distortion for the 10-20 is like complaining about the fish-eye effect on a fish-eye lens. 

Huh? Manual metering? And why would a film SLR suit me more?

My photos aren't world class, but I'd like to think they're passable la. They're on flickr mostly. Feel free to look around.

If I spit out bull-shit, it's definitely not intentional. I'll be the first one to say I tend to make mistakes. What I don't do is hide behind them. If I made mistakes, I'll be more than happy to be corrected.

Master? Far from it. But I know where my ISO button is la.

The distortion exaggerates perspective and can work wonders with lines. They're also good for in-your-face kind of photos. Shooting with the 10-20 is tricky and needs practice but definitely do-able.

Do you own a 10-20? I reckon 'no' because from what you're saying, you don't know how to shoot with a 10-20.

And the Tokina 11-16 distortion free? Come on. I know folks using that lens and abuse it for portraits. People look fat and like aliens (elongated head).

If you've stressed the tokina is a constant f2.8 then I agree it's an advantage over the 10-20.

I thought we were talking about the distortion? Yes, I agree  the Sigma is soft compared to the other UWA, but I never claimed it was the sharpest. I only said the distortion effect is useful for a distorted perspective.

Don't push you lack of self-confidence on me. I never claimed you can't shoot. You did in the previous post. I've never seen your work.

And the same thing goes with claiming I'm the 'master'. I have never, and will never, claim to be master of anything. I'm not as arrogant as some of the trolls in this forums.

If you find my posting style offensive, feel free to ignore them. Why read them? You don't have any right over how I post and vice-versa. If I have to put up with childish posts, I guess you'd have to as well 

Ermm while you two continue with your argument, can I just interrupt for a moment?

Did you say YL is essentially selling the D90 kit for RM3650? That is possibly the cheapest price possible for the D90. Unless you meant its RM2950 for the body and additional RM1k for the lens. That would put it to market price.

Yes, I have the 10-20. http://www.flickr.com/photos/eng-bernie/se...57607356533273/
The link is for all the newest photos with the 10-20. Please, take a look at the badly distored pics. I take portraits with that lens too btw. So how's that for distortion?

zio, sorry for hogging the thread

Yes, YL offered 2650 for body only. It was initially offered at 2850. Additional 1K for the lens. They posted it at MIR. I didn't call to confirm though (there was a phone number there) because I didn't intend to buy one.

Ahh ok. There are a number of fake MIR postings with YL's number. Started a few days back actually. Oh well, glimmer of hope that it will still be cheaper

And go back to shooting you two. Err not each other, photos

Meh you are better off with the 10.5mm fisheye

fisheyeeee although i love it but i think it's way out of my budget. even the sigma, i won't be able to get it until probably by the end of this year. that and skyports. after that, wait half a year before splurging again on my expensive hobby. hehehe!!

yup..i guess its a love/hate relationship... for me.. i like to go all the way to the distorted lvl that some say its just rubbish

Thanks mate... tbh, the fisheye isn't all that expensive. It's only about 2.3k in Malaysia.

is there such a thing? O.o

Someone mentioned Siggy 4.5mm?