or if not with sildes ..he will gay with loon4tic.!

I think the upsets this year is obvious enough proof that standard in msia has indeed rise.

Its either that, or last years champs got real sloppy.

well, samsung pay alot for the event company for them hosting the wcg (worldwide sponser)... hmm i mean, sponser pay for the event, if not event company pay it then they earn wat ? it depend on the samsung (not sure about this) want to give who in charge of this wcg, since In2 incharge for so many year, a event like this big, impossible a big company will get a new event to held it, unless In2 not doing their job well. (so far so good )

look at MYM Player or StarCraft player in Korea, their fan's are out of your imagination
want more example ?

Agree,
But malaysia will be soon, some of the team already get some income, just the money not that much to cover their living expenses.


No complain no improve, if the same question keep coming out, then probably is a big problem d. Scheduling always the hardest part. Well just look for a better WCG in 2009

@ angelstarz:
01. ponteng/tag collection:
ponteng or x...some still hv to ponteng bcoz they can ask xone to help them collect the tag.

as for myself, i'm considered lucky bcoz seed84 is kind and helpful enough to help me collect without implementing any charges at all. even refuse my idea to treat him for lunch. furthermore, this time wcg was held on my 1st, 2nd n 3rd day uni mid-sem break. so..xneed ponteng. so, where am i on tag collection day? i'm in serdang visiting maha 08 as part of my uni subject assignment.

so..my suggestion is, gamers who participate in wcg is allowed to collect their tag on both tag redemption day and on the very 1st day of wcg up to 11 am. Over 11 am, disqualified. wcg team can offer the slot to walk-in after that or choose x to entertain any registration request.

02. jumaat prayer:
pls be sensitive to us, muslims. for those living far enough (> 90km), they are allowed to skip jumaat prayer n combine both zuhur and asar. but for those who stay in 90 km radius, it is x recommend. skipping jumaat prayer only allowed to those living >90 km, and to those who struggling between live n death. i dont think gaming is a live n death situation.

best is to start all gaming session on 2.15 pm exact. this could give wcg team extra time to rearrange anything that was x right. and in relation to my suggestion in 01., regarding tag collection, this means extra time for printing tags and doing stuffs.

03. no complaints b4:
who said x complaints? it just that past wcg is far better and well arrange compared to this year. and this year wcg is boring. nothing to do except wandering around doing nothing...too little booth, too little activities. if we x in hall, there are chances we r going to disqualified. i can barely hear marshals calling for gamers even i only sitting on chair in front of main stage.

eg: as what NecrosavaNt said, gamers complaints that klcc is colder than mv, no hang out places, n no food court.


@ linkinstreet:
fifa? u play until which round?

This post has been edited by Invince_Z: Aug 19 2008, 03:20 PM

it is WOTC but thru some ppl (i.e micheal toh, you can find him in MTG section of LYN forum) and other local tournament organizers.

those ppl no need to work in events company as WOTC gave them a specific metrics to be followed and so far, it has been working tremendously.

so does this mean that WCG in whole didn't have any metrics that the local organizers can follow?
or simply the organizers dun wanna follow.

and are you saying that malaysian govt and sponsors give a damn about MTG tournaments?
without WOTC, i dun think we can live.

so you see, it goes back to the main sponsors and the company who is the main corporate sponsor.

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Added on August 19, 2008, 3:41 pmi wasn't angry. just stating the facts. read properly pls.

ok la. maybe it's my bad to compare WCG with MTG, but the thing is, for MTG, you can pre-register yourself and not have to force ourself to collect tags what so ever in order to play. the system is flawless whereby only the player is allowed in the playing field. spectators have their section to watch the games being played. maybe because registration is free (i'm not sure about this) for WCG, ppl can just ffk anytime they want and end up taking space for ppl who really wants to play. in MTG, registration requires money and if you ffk, there's no refund.

i dun have any qualms on having tourney running thru out the week. heck, that's how MTG invitationals and Worlds are being organized. but the thing is, like i say during friday, pls have some respect for muslim and give them leeway to perform their duties.

during the big MTG tourneys (except worlds and invitational), fridays are reserved for last chance qualifiers (that starts around 5pm and goes well into 11pm) and side events. the main events are played whole day saturday and sunday.

once again, i'm not angry. all i'm saying is try to take a look at how other sports (card game etc alike) are doin their events. there's a lot of room to improve on malaysian WCG. and with proper planning and promotion (to the mass media pls!), ppl will know that these things exist and will soon expand the scene here in malaysia.

This post has been edited by technophile: Aug 19 2008, 03:41 PM

@angelstarz

next time pls ask marshal dun sinkalan ask ppl come at 9AM when they ownself reach on 9.40AM... =___________="

If the hall doors are meant to be open on 10.30AM, Please tell the gamers to come on 10.30AM instead of 9AM... Really dunno do what came so early... When the marshal himself havent even reach...

As a gamer, every minute counts, if i knew that the doors are open on 10.30, I can save that some time having some more rest at home sleeping, training the game or even doing other stuffs better than waiting in mid valley waiting for the WCG hall doors to be open...

Funny complaint...

Not as a gamer every second or minutes count, but as a human the time is precious!

but friday prayers, not much want to argue, just hope able to arrange better time, as complaint could get easily related to religion.

Well, from 2001 till now, i only join went for 2001 till 2003, i do notice is more and more worst, especially time management and advertising, budget not enough i presume.

hmm thats nice of wizards. they support their own game.. i dont think any international org does that for wcg in malaysia. maybe a little from samsung. even though MTG doesnt get the gov support wizards (which is a very successful&big org is behind it). does valve, blizzard or ea help wcg/in2? its a question, cause i dont really know.

and about the friday prayers complains, the marshals didnt compromise at all? that is seriously wrong. either start the games after or give breaks for those who has to go.

Oh, I don't know where to add since Invince_Z, technophile, Soul-X, NecrosavaNt and others have arise that matter.

angelstarz,

As a representative, you should take our comments positively. We as gamers love this scene and we did this just because we want to protect our gaming scene. Don't worry, we're not angry, we're just reminding what we feels it's right to do.

Hope that some post-mortem can be done to improve WCG in years to come. We have WGT coming over this November so let's focus on that

OFF TOPIC
change ur signature please psychomouse46.

Nope, dont complaint too much, i wouldnt like to see another bla bla hard to get sponsor reply.

I joined WCG 2003 till now 2008...

Yeah i notice its more and more worst too... Last time before heading to Mid valley, got alot of WCG advertisements on those lamp post~ Now all gone~ LOL

The time management gone worst than last time, Last time the the shedulle is okay... At least if got delay, Also delay 30minute only... NOW??? DELAY 5 hours?? WTF!!

also heard complains where the top 8 gamer shirts isnt enough because it was given to non-top8 players without checking 1st

these r all useful feedback, learn to take criticism

This post has been edited by Timber2k7: Aug 19 2008, 09:03 PM

oh,,,,

haha...
well let's hope 09 will be alot better..
cuz im gonna make a strikeback....^^
anyway...any1 interested my wcg jacket?...^^

I know what u mean.
But, I was referring to the fact that every gamers would by-default at least got a goodies bag from the organizer. So at that very moment, every registered gamers received a goodies bag (100%).

Although the sponsored booth that u mentioned did give out hp and mp3 players. But not every ppl would get one free, right? ( ? percent)
Goodies bag was scheduled to be given at 7pm at Day 1 and 1pm at Day 2.
Not every visitors that visit the events got the chance of collecting the goodies bag.
As not every visitors have the privellege of being in the events from morning till the events closed at night.

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Added on August 19, 2008, 11:24 pmFeed back for Angelstarz,

To play my role as a game enthuasist in the advancement of local gaming communities by giving u some feed backs.

No. 1
As a game enthuasist that visits WCG events, it would be more delighted to see if more of gamers and visitors centred elements were to be incorporated in your organization of such events.

Just imagine a spectators that visit the event at noon Day1, it takes about less than half and hour to visit all the sponsored booth although there were interactive stations at the samsung, MSC and intel booth. If he/ she was interested to see live gaming events at the preliminaries it might be difficult, as it will depends on the where the respective games were placed in the gaming island.

So the main aim of enjoying a gaming match might be ended with buying hardwares in the sponsored booth. (PC fair might have a better variety in this aspect).

No. 2
There was slightly less coherent/ continuing elements between the gaming area, the stage and the exhibitions booth. It gave the impression that there were 3 separate different events going on.


Suggestions:-

Go back to the core and fundamental elements of WCG.
Exhibition from sponsors booth are OK.
However, PC fair also can provide such facility.

WCG like in name applied should be a heaven for gamers and visitors.
People come to visit gaming events would like to see gaming matches being played even as earliest at the preliminaries and of couse the finals as well.
Why not segregate gaming islands into few compartments with each compartment with gaming islands and viewing area as the previous forumers have suggested. Each viewing area can have a huge large LCD TV (from Samsung as well) being displayed.

As a whole, the organizations of the events is Grossly Ok, but you might missed few pertinent small points that might add a lot of points to your events.

It would be a challenge for your team to wins the hearts of gamers and game enthuasist/ visitors, but why aim just for a bronze when u can challenge for a gold? Take up the challenge!!

This post has been edited by CityLife: Aug 19 2008, 11:37 PM

i always see gamer complain about this and that but can marshals or organizers complain about gamers ??i for 1 have alot of complains about gamers too but there is a saying customer are always number 1 even when they dun pay a single thing for it XD lol how unfair,i guess i have to live with that XD

but thxs for all the feedback,appreciate it =)

oh and 1 more thing dun just ask the organizers to improve only when u(gamers) dun improve urself also.im sure u guys understand what i mean and wat shitty problem u all give to the organizers themself =) ask urself are u guys that perfect too ??

those r obstacle,theres always obstacles. so r u just gonna ask the gamers this kind of question but not by asking urself how to overcome these kind of obstacles made by shitty gamers, u gotta know wat position ure in. like u said customer always come 1st, diff is just tat u're nt paid.but u're the host.
i still think tat u should keep those shitty problems made by shitty gamers to urself,look at it positively and solve it.


This post has been edited by Timber2k7: Aug 20 2008, 01:08 AM

Well, when the open ceremony. Speech by the president of Samsung are funny. He seems bad in english? Hmm?

Aiks, there's nothing much to complain lar. all they wan is organize, we participate. And win it... I juz wondering why, last year was my 1st time participating WCG and i played CNC3. The 1st match i versus Alpha (WCG 2007 Champion). This year i participate in NFSPS, even if i win my 2nd match would be FoRZa. I was like STUNNED when i get to know FoRZa is on 2nd match. Bad luck T.T

The toilet and aircond system are much more better. I remembered last year i walk to the next exhibition center (some kind of furniture/indian flower exhibiting i guess) to find a toilet. And while participants collecting their goodies bag in the morning, the aircond doesnt function till 9++ am i guess. We all like going inside the sauna room. This year, the aircond dint funtion during the tag redemption day only. Others day it works FINE.

Well, abt the goodies bag. Samsung sponsored a Mini Fan(with low quality battery, luckily it dint burst). It was quite useful while i was going back wit crowded KTM. Moreover, Intel yet sponsor shirts for participants. Too bad they provide it on the competition day, i saw most of the participants were busy changing their clothes on after they got that shirt. Most of them changed to that clothes before the ceremony open. Quite lol"ing". Compare with last year, there are more goodies bag to take than this year. But most of them are online games CD and outdated magazine . Even the stuff in main bag which WCG provided are less"er" than last year. (Owh, i missed the "Baracudda" key chain alot!!!)

Eeeks, u all seems lucky coz u all wait for 1-2 hours only, and no longer ends wit a game. The competition starts at 12 o'clock sharp right? I waited for 3 hours ni. 3pm i start my game which is NFSPS, the marshall never tell me around wad time it will be my turn to play. So i juz wait at there like mad ppl. I even sleep on the floor while waiting for my turns. Tired of waiting for my turns coz i wake up at 6++ and gather wit 3 of my fren, i reach MV around 8.15 by KTM. Well, i managed to skip my school. Hehes~

Oh yah, one question .
I tot WCG is for gamer purpose. I wonder y the event become like PC fair like that. The exhibitor even sells Power Supply, External Hard-Disk, Kingston, Gaming Mouse instead of more game events. I onli see CSO, Jin Online and One more dunno wad game were there.Compare with last year. Last year got more games event instead of selling Hardwares ...I dint meant any complain abt the WCG, i was juz curious abt it

another good point.

to me, WCG should be a haven for gamers and enthusiast plus ppl who are interested to start gaming (there's a lot of these kinda ppl, who thinks that gaming is for kids and just a waste of time and money).

therefore, my suggestion should be, have exhibition of upcoming games from the developers. if the developers dun support you first time, nevermind, just download upcoming game's demos and have booths and booths so that ppl can try. document the ppl's response towards the idea, then send it to the publishers and distributors. while you are at it, try to educate the crowd on why the games and softwares are expensive and how ppl should not resort to piracy. i bet my RM100 that out of 10 random non gaming ppl out there in malaysia, nobody knows why they are expensive and why software piracy is bad. i think that should be your responsibility to the public and the general masses.

trust me, these big companies will want to jaga their faces and for the next year, knowing that you guys can pull a lot of crowd, they will happily supply you guys with the demos and setups for display.

it's common sense. sometimes in dealing with BIG companies, you gotta prove to them that you are capable of doin it before they can jump in.

that's how malaysia was chosen to become the stop for Pro Tour over singapore, phillipines and thailand. our community here is strong, we got 2 top 4 finishers in Worlds (Sim Han How and Terry Soh), a malaysian has won the Invitationals (Terry Soh), and our purchasing power is quite good too.

we've showed WOTC that malaysia has the potential ourself. then only WOTC came and decide that malaysia is a good place as a FIRST EVER STOP for south east asia for Pro Tour.

stop blaming gamers when it comes to support and success. the first line of fire is you guys, the organizers. if you want these event to gain acceptance, please the current crowd first. they in return will do the marketing for you. from all the comments i see here, they are not asking for a golden mountain to be handed to them, but a little more respect as gamers and competitors.

pamper them as they are your asset. without them, even the biggest company in the world's money (READ: GOOGLE) can't save your event if the participants are not happy. entice them.

all i see and heard, from my limited judgment, it seems that you guys are doin this event "just for the sake of having it" and not try to contribute to the public and the society as a whole. what good is participation of MDEC if the knowledge is not there to be shared with other ppl?

anyway, to say that we as gamers are asking for a lot, that's too much. we are the driving force of the industry, we bought the games, we bought the hardware, we committed time to train and become better.

that's why any sportsman in other foreign countries can earn a living from just playing. because ppl recognizes their commitment and their role in the industry.

lastly, i would like to stress again, that it's no point in doin major, world class events if you can't keep the participants happy and content. that is what i'm trying to point since my first post in this thread.

p/s: i am not pointing fingers, it's just a point of view of a person who loves the gaming industry and would love to see the gaming industry bloom in malaysia. it's really frustrating to see that the event was poorly done given the duration of time it was planned and implemented. like i said a few times already, if In2 do not know how to organize a proper gaming event, then let some other company with much enthusiasm do it. that company might not have the financial resources, but they sure love gaming and know how to jaga hati gamers. i think the case of In2 is mostly they do not know what the gamers want, and see the expanded view of the event (after event awareness to the public, etc) and how it would help sponsors generate their sales. again i'm sorry if i sounded really harsh. i'm just frustrated to see ppl who are doin this is doin it without soul and heart. it destroys the passion.

This post has been edited by technophile: Aug 20 2008, 02:04 AM