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Competition WCG 08 Suxx.., WCG MALAYSIA

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Xenomania
post Aug 20 2008, 01:58 AM

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Imba robot bracket ...

WHERE MY TOP 8 T-SHIRT !!! ARHHHHH
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post Aug 20 2008, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(technophile @ Aug 20 2008, 01:49 AM)
another good point.

to me, WCG should be a haven for gamers and enthusiast plus ppl who are interested to start gaming (there's a lot of these kinda ppl, who thinks that gaming is for kids and just a waste of time and money).

therefore, my suggestion should be, have exhibition of upcoming games from the developers. if the developers dun support you first time, nevermind, just download upcoming game's demos and have booths and booths so that ppl can try. document the ppl's response towards the idea, then send it to the publishers and distributors.

trust me, these big companies will want to jaga their faces and for the next year, knowing that you guys can pull a lot of crowd, they will happily supply you guys with the demos and setups for display.

it's common sense. sometimes in dealing with BIG companies, you gotta prove to them that you are capable of doin it before they can jump in.

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Nice idea but there're a few problems with your suggestions:

1) Not all companies are receptive to the idea of their games being shown in public without their permission. For example, we had to get a permission letter from Konami Japan before we were allowed to play Metal Gear Solid 4 in public during the Animax Youth Festival. Others are worried that their games are not properly promoted or highlighted by their staff.

2) Extra booth demos = extra costs you'll need to shell out from your pocket. Not cheap when you take into consideration the costs to assemble the PCs, secure the connection/cables, and other promotional costs to promote the game (part-time volunteers, for e.g.)

3) Some game companies are cheapskate enough to think that since you're giving them free service, they might as well not bother to take part since you'll be doing it for them anyway. Or that the games are already popular enough that they "sell themselves". So why should the organizer be bothered to give them free service if the game publishers/distributors don't want to support you in the first place?

Despite the fairly good turnout at this year's WCG, I agree with the other players that there should have been more activities/booths targeted towards gamers at WCG. If not for Guitar Hero III at Samsung's booth, I think I would have gotten really bored quickly at the event.

Oh yeah, there should be more game commentators like Jali and Nigel during the FIFA match. Having two experienced gamers commentating during the match who knew what they were talking about made the match a whole lot more interesting for both experienced gamers and visitors.
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QUOTE(Ruff Bark @ Aug 20 2008, 02:14 AM)
Nice idea but there're a few problems with your suggestions:

1) Not all companies are receptive to the idea of their games being shown in public without their permission. For example, we had to get a permission letter from Konami Japan before we were allowed to play Metal Gear Solid 4 in public during the Animax Youth Festival. Others are worried that their games are not properly promoted or highlighted by their staff.

2) Extra booth demos = extra costs you'll need to shell out from your pocket. Not cheap when you take into consideration the costs to assemble the PCs, secure the connection/cables, and other promotional costs to promote the game (part-time volunteers, for e.g.)

3) Some game companies are cheapskate enough to think that since you're giving them free service, they might as well not bother to take part since you'll be doing it for them anyway. Or that the games are already popular enough that they "sell themselves". So why should the organizer be bothered to give them free service if the game publishers/distributors don't want to support you in the first place?

Despite the fairly good turnout at this year's WCG, I agree with the other players that there should have been more activities/booths targeted towards gamers at WCG. If not for Guitar Hero III at Samsung's booth, I think I would have gotten really bored quickly at the event.

Oh yeah, there should be more game commentators like Jali and Nigel during the FIFA match. Having two experienced gamers commentating during the match who knew what they were talking about made the match a whole lot more interesting for both experienced gamers and visitors.
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Agree...
Samsung is one of the roots of the event...
Btw how's the guitar? Jam till fun bo? tongue.gif
I got try on it... So lame XD
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post Aug 20 2008, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(Ruff Bark @ Aug 20 2008, 02:14 AM)
Nice idea but there're a few problems with your suggestions:

1) Not all companies are receptive to the idea of their games being shown in public without their permission. For example, we had to get a permission letter from Konami Japan before we were allowed to play Metal Gear Solid 4 in public during the Animax Youth Festival. Others are worried that their games are not properly promoted or highlighted by their staff.

2) Extra booth demos = extra costs you'll need to shell out from your pocket. Not cheap when you take into consideration the costs to assemble the PCs, secure the connection/cables, and other promotional costs to promote the game (part-time volunteers, for e.g.)

3) Some game companies are cheapskate enough to think that since you're giving them free service, they might as well not bother to take part since you'll be doing it for them anyway. Or that the games are already popular enough that they "sell themselves". So why should the organizer be bothered to give them free service if the game publishers/distributors don't want to support you in the first place?

Despite the fairly good turnout at this year's WCG, I agree with the other players that there should have been more activities/booths targeted towards gamers at WCG. If not for Guitar Hero III at Samsung's booth, I think I would have gotten really bored quickly at the event.

Oh yeah, there should be more game commentators like Jali and Nigel during the FIFA match. Having two experienced gamers commentating during the match who knew what they were talking about made the match a whole lot more interesting for both experienced gamers and visitors.
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1. we know that the game is hyped up so much that any prick of the pin would just blow it out of proportion. it was one of konami's best kept secret. i should rephrase the demo part. it's "demos and trailers". so for games like MGS4 and other big games, just play the publicly released trailer. trust me they are many ppl who do not know anything about the game here in malaysia (except gamers).

2. this is what i call an initiative. sometimes this separates between "doin a job" and a "job well done". i'm sure it will tax the organizers, but they should know how to work around their budget and their limitation.

3. i dun think big companies are that cheapskate. considering that they are earning BILLIONS per year. journalist will take pictures of the event, and they will see how you did it. trust me, it took one big company to jump ship, then the rest will jump. again i'm using my Le Tour experience as my case. a big company, let's call it Company A (i can't name names) decided to advertise with us for the event and sponsor quite a few things. when COMPANY B found out about this, they want to jump ship too, sensing the competition and exposure they will not get if they dun put their ads. it's one of the most basic business strategy. once again, if you do it right, THEY WILL OPEN their eyes seeing the potential of revenue coming from that.


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QUOTE(technophile @ Aug 20 2008, 02:35 AM)
i dun think big companies are that cheapskate. considering that they are earning BILLIONS per year. journalist will take pictures of the event, and they will see how you did it. trust me, it took one big company to jump ship, then the rest will jump. again i'm using my Le Tour experience as my case. a big company, let's call it Company A (i can't name names) decided to advertise with us for the event and sponsor quite a few things. when COMPANY B found out about this, they want to jump ship too, sensing the competition and exposure they will not get if they dun put their ads. it's one of the most basic business strategy. once again, if you do it right, THEY WILL OPEN their eyes seeing the potential of revenue coming from that.
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Don't forget that in Malaysia, the gaming industry is fairly small as compared to multinational companies. Especially with the high rates of piracy in the country.
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post Aug 20 2008, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ruff Bark @ Aug 20 2008, 02:40 AM)
Don't forget that in Malaysia, the gaming industry is fairly small as compared to multinational companies. Especially with the high rates of piracy in the country.
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that's why i'm suggesting that the organizer have an "public education" module to educate the public. the way i see it, this piracy problem is preventable with proper education, not enforcement from BSA.

like i said, most general public fail to see why the games are expensive in the first place. if organizers can slot in an education booth, would that be a good image to the ppl from outside of malaysia? it will surely give good face to MDEC too.

tell the public about the development cycle of a game, about the ppl involved into making it, everyone from the modelers to the director. it's a huge business.

a huge business that's generating billions per year. i'm sure malaysia have the market for these games. therefore a revenue for the companies. again this goes back to the company itself.

and i'm again using WOTC as an example. when Magic just started, not many ppl know about the game in malaysia. but how did they managed to sow a strong field here? by participating actively and promoting it.

in US, EA is actively doin it's Madden Bus Tournament. where they go to city after city to find the best Madden players and in the end crown the National Champion. that's how they should do it.

if WCG can be promoted properly and gain acceptance from general public in term of awareness and attendance, i dun think any company would not want to invest their resources here. there's a saying in business, "any market is a good market". thing is, they need to know if there's market here or not.

yes you may say that promotion is not cheap. but it's a price to pay for future gain, that's what i say.
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QUOTE(ken0777 @ Aug 19 2008, 11:40 AM)
*gurls also wanna see leng zhaiz ma* and maybe... [W|nDs] al3x too... muahahaha *hope he neva read this*
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Aug 19 2008, 11:51 AM)
Alex gay la, if he not with vin, he's with sildes lol
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QUOTE(arroyos @ Aug 19 2008, 11:57 AM)
or if not with sildes ..he will gay with loon4tic.!  tongue.gif
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Babi you guys, spam here with my clean name for what? vmad.gif

It's not wrong to gay = happy with everyone. Everyone who's near me will definitely laugh. I'm like the joker but i'm not as LoOn4tiC has already reserved the role for himself laugh.gif

Not to be off topic, technophile does have some points and i'm glad there's someone like him to voice out some good points to improve. Please don't always have the mindset of "gamers always like to complain and complain". We are just trying to give some positive feedbacks of what we think some areas can be improved and this doesn't mean you guys were not doing a great job. Kudos to the great grand stage but we're now focusing on what are needed to improve, hence more posts will be on the disadvantages side. So don't treat every posts negatively but instead jot them down and include them as the possible improvements for the next event. Gamers will also think of their poor sides and give feedbacks courteously while i expect the organizers will do the same. No point throwing useless and pointless arguments around which will not fix anything but only mar the relationship between gamers and organizers. Let's start taking and giving while building a better tomorrow for all the gaming events in Malaysia. Work together! biggrin.gif

*Fat Cat Lim, you look so cool with the guitar.. wub.gif tongue.gif

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Aug 20 2008, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(Xenomania @ Aug 20 2008, 01:58 AM)
Imba robot bracket ...

WHERE MY TOP 8 T-SHIRT !!! ARHHHHH
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hmm yeah -____________- what happen to that thingy?
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QUOTE(accelerator7 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:25 AM)
Babi you guys, spam here with my clean name for what?  vmad.gif

It's not wrong to gay = happy with everyone. Everyone who's near me will definitely laugh. I'm like the joker but i'm not as LoOn4tiC has already reserved the role for himself  laugh.gif

Not to be off topic, technophile does have some points and i'm glad there's someone like him to voice out some good points to improve. Please don't always have the mindset of "gamers always like to complain and complain". We are just trying to give some positive feedbacks of what we think some areas can be improved and this doesn't mean you guys were not doing a great job. Kudos to the great grand stage but we're now focusing on what are needed to improve, hence more posts will be on the disadvantages side. So don't treat every posts negatively but instead jot them down and include them as the possible improvements for the next event. Gamers will also think of their poor sides and give feedbacks courteously while i expect the organizers will do the same. No point throwing useless and pointless arguments around which will not fix anything but only mar the relationship between gamers and organizers. Let's start taking and giving while building a better tomorrow for all the gaming events in Malaysia. Work together!  biggrin.gif

*Fat Cat Lim, you look so cool with the guitar..  wub.gif  tongue.gif
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if none of the guys in In2 are passionate about gaming and know about being a gamer, i'm offering my services as a consultant. i'm charging quite cheap!

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post Aug 20 2008, 05:13 AM

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So now Technophile not only offers printing services, he also offering gaming consultancy services.
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post Aug 20 2008, 05:50 AM

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After meeting nles, later he offers "special" services as well brows.gif
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post Aug 20 2008, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(accelerator7 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:25 AM)
Babi you guys, spam here with my clean name for what?  vmad.gif

It's not wrong to gay = happy with everyone. Everyone who's near me will definitely laugh. I'm like the joker but i'm not as LoOn4tiC has already reserved the role for himself  laugh.gif

Not to be off topic, technophile does have some points and i'm glad there's someone like him to voice out some good points to improve. Please don't always have the mindset of "gamers always like to complain and complain". We are just trying to give some positive feedbacks of what we think some areas can be improved and this doesn't mean you guys were not doing a great job. Kudos to the great grand stage but we're now focusing on what are needed to improve, hence more posts will be on the disadvantages side. So don't treat every posts negatively but instead jot them down and include them as the possible improvements for the next event. Gamers will also think of their poor sides and give feedbacks courteously while i expect the organizers will do the same. No point throwing useless and pointless arguments around which will not fix anything but only mar the relationship between gamers and organizers. Let's start taking and giving while building a better tomorrow for all the gaming events in Malaysia. Work together!  biggrin.gif

*Fat Cat Lim, you look so cool with the guitar..  wub.gif   tongue.gif
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i want complain alex cuz he lost make me lose money T_T


Added on August 20, 2008, 9:02 am
QUOTE(technophile @ Aug 20 2008, 04:21 AM)
if none of the guys in In2 are passionate about gaming and know about being a gamer, i'm offering my services as a consultant. i'm charging quite cheap!

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good good looking forward for that to happen lol might as well offer them for FOC XD


Added on August 20, 2008, 9:06 am
QUOTE(Timber2k7 @ Aug 20 2008, 12:55 AM)
those r obstacle,theres always obstacles. so r u just gonna ask the gamers this kind of question but not by asking urself how to overcome these kind of obstacles made by shitty gamers, u gotta know wat position ure in. like u said customer always come 1st, diff is just tat u're nt paid.but u're the host.
i still think tat u should keep those shitty problems made by shitty gamers to urself,look at it positively and solve it.
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i could say the same thing back to u lol rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

anyway i hope u join wcg as the organizers so we could do a better 1 next time cuz action speak louder then words rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by colincsf: Aug 20 2008, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(Xenomania @ Aug 20 2008, 01:58 AM)
Imba robot bracket ...
WHERE MY TOP 8 T-SHIRT !!! ARHHHHH
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QUOTE(Soul-X @ Aug 20 2008, 04:11 AM)
hmm yeah -____________- what happen to that thingy?
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this is probably way off tangent from the serious issues discussed. but i'm also wondering where's is my Top 8 shirt? i had no idea the Top 8 would even get shirts. But if we were supposed to, where the heck is mine rclxub.gif

as for GH3, we played until the green button on the second guitar mati. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(colincsf @ Aug 20 2008, 09:00 AM)
i want complain alex cuz he lost make me lose money  T_T
haha, colincsf..... tat day u wished alex lose 1 ooh tongue.gif

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nope, they do know what pro-gamers want but not casual gamers.

and some of them doesnt accept complain, so you asking gamers to change the attitude?

If you doing a event well, a big highlight what should notice, and would not take responsibility/complaint by gamers if this issues occur.

And for god sake, doing it on Friday for Singapore WCG is so much diffrent, did you know the day they choose is public holiday ( Singapore Independant Day)?

And they always choose the School Holidays for thier day of organizing event.
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QUOTE(colincsf @ Aug 20 2008, 12:30 AM)
i always see gamer complain about this and that but can marshals or organizers complain about gamers ??i for 1 have alot of complains about gamers too but there is a saying customer are always number 1 even when they dun pay a single thing for it XD lol how unfair,i guess i have to live with that XD

but thxs for all the feedback,appreciate it =)

oh and 1 more thing dun just ask the organizers to improve only when u(gamers) dun improve urself also.im sure u guys understand what i mean and wat shitty problem u all give to the organizers themself =) ask urself are u guys that perfect too ??
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r u 1 of the marshals? say it bro...chill, x one here will flame u. gamers aren't perfect. both organizers n gamers need to improve then only gaming industry improve. smile.gif
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did they prepare chairs for the spectators ?
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QUOTE(accelerator7 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:25 AM)
*Fat Cat Lim, you look so cool with the guitar..  wub.gif  tongue.gif
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Yea, they do prepare floors for spectators and competitors...U know, kampung style... XD

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