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Bonsailelong
post Feb 26 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(OldKidz @ Feb 26 2013, 11:22 AM)
Yeah, nice plan!

Uhmmm I stay nearby cyberjaya, selangor...

My gf works at Melacca tats why I will be at Melacca around 1~2 times a month...

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Oh ! I thought you are from Melaka.
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post Feb 26 2013, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(chiangchengkooi @ Feb 26 2013, 05:15 PM)
I think you tree look like a type of murraya, most probaly murraya paniculata microphylla,  i had a few of these, nursery in Malaysia inport them from Thailan and Taiwan.
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Hi Chiang, the sifu who can grow black pine in a condo apartment, very welcome back to this topic. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

The murraya paniculata microphylla you are talking about is very popular and selling like hot cake during the CNY.
I've bought a small pot and that costed me rm35.
The photo posted by Soon Lee looks more like the Taiwan Premna than the Thailand murraya. The diffrence can be shown as the plant grows bigger.

By the way, good to have you back here, the whole group of us here are just helpless with Black pine.
We are looking forward for the first step of how to germinate the seeds successfully.
Hope to get some input from you.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:42 PM

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Murraya Paniculata Microphylla from Thailand.

This photo was taken from one of the nurseries in Sg Buloh.
It's price - rm 400 ! shocking.gif

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post Feb 27 2013, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(sakaibukit @ Feb 27 2013, 02:05 AM)
Hi people, Im new here. Glad to find this forum. Keep it up!
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Welcome ! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Be part of the contribution to make this forum active.

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post Feb 27 2013, 09:50 PM

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Hi Chiang,

Your pines look very green and healthy and Wow to every pot's history! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif (3 double thumbs up!)
The 3 black pines I bought have yellow tips at the needle leaves.
Should I cut and trim them short and thin out the leaves to enable back budding?
I've read something about cold treatment to pine seeds before germinating too. It's a good idea to try half with water soaking method
and half with cold treatment before soaking.
By the way, where did you buy the five needle white pine, I was trying to find one at Sg Buloh
before CNY but not successful.

Can I ask how much is the one you bought from sanfong?

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post Feb 28 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(chiangchengkooi @ Feb 27 2013, 10:21 PM)
I cannot tell u much why is u pine with yellow tip.
what i can tell u is my pine expose to sun from 8am to 1pm, shield from the very hot afternoon sun and rain (remember i live in apartment)
The soil i use is 1/3 burnt soil, 1/3 pine bark from the pinus caribaea, the tropical pines u see in Malaysia and 1/3 brick pound into 2 to 5 mm grain. Sometimes i use black lava soil to instead of the pound brick grain.

The seedling i brought is RM180 for tree seedling from samfong

That is the only white pine that i have seen, bougt in one of the nursery along jalan sungai buloh subang

If you want to buy black pine bonsai from china, the nursery near sungai buloh highway exit to jalan kuala selangor at the moment do sell themranging from rm 250 to rm 1000, pic below
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Hi chiang,

Once again thank you very much for responding my call in face book to come back to this forum.
There are great infos given and we appreciate very much because the whole group of us here could be thinking of starting on black pine which is consider the most difficult to grow in our climate.
As for my black pine leave tips turning yellow, I think I might have bended it too hard I'll release all the wiring when I go back to work today and hope that they will not kuku. cry.gif

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post Feb 28 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(zabel8484 @ Feb 28 2013, 07:56 AM)
Very interseting and funny finding for me today,

I'm surfing a china website online shopping thingy. then suddenly i typed black pine in the search box and resulted, china traders selling seedling of black pines, 1-2 year olds for about RM10-20 per seedling...hahahaha the postage is about rm20 for all?

Seems like want to try out maybe 1 or 2 just for fun...
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That sound interesting, but when the black pines arrived here wonder can they survive? shakehead.gif

any way if you are buying on line hope you don't mind to help me to get 2 nos. as well and possible a 5 needle white pine if there is any.
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post Feb 28 2013, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(sakaibukit @ Feb 28 2013, 01:19 AM)
wah.. u guys r like pro.. im actually new.. and dun really get the concept of bonsai.. kira noob la.. but enjoy gardening. anyway will post sum pics soon, then hope you guys can help me how to start "bonsai-ing"

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post Feb 28 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(g400g400 @ Feb 28 2013, 06:43 AM)
Wah... so poisoning here... why the black pine is so expensive compare to other bonsai plant? Is it due to the fact that its difficult to get it growing over here in our climate?
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Black pine and all species of pines are not only expensive here but also facing the risk of "kiss and bye bye ". cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Feb 28 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(chiangchengkooi @ Feb 28 2013, 10:32 AM)
My pine does not turn yellow tip when i bend them, in fact pine is one of the most flexible to bend among the tree that i have enconuter.
By there is two pines i left in my brother house, one not expose to full tropical sun that is from 8am to 1pm only, one full exposure, the full exposure needle turn yellowish.
It could also due to the potting medium,  i would suggest you to join Internet Bonsai Club or bonsai nut, post u pic and ask the member there, or join Lindsay Farr world of bonsai in facebook n ask the friend there.

Some bonsai master will say, learned how to keep pine alive first before u bonsai them.

If the pine is undergoing stress,  NEVER do an root pruning. pruning, cutting, or wireing.
NEVER NEVER NEVER, bare root a o pine

NEVER NEVER NEVER cut more than 1/4 of the root ball when reporting or root pruning, (especially the root with white tip)

NEVER NEVER NEVER bare needle a pine. If you bare a branch, pine does not bud from a branch without needle so the branch/tree without needle is as same as dead.

What you should do after reporting is just leave it for more than tree month before u do anything. Unlike other type of tree, do not needle prune when reporting.

What i sometimes do is i usually wire the tree in its original pot first, bend it to the shape i want then tree month later when the tree does not show any stress i report to a bonsai pot.  However if the potting medium in the original pot is not suitable i will change the potting medium first.
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Thanks again for the great info.
I'm a member of IBC too but not so active for the past 2 years. I think I should go back there.
However, info given by IBC member is more suitable for their country's climate.
So far in M'sia, you are the only one we know whom have successfully grow and train pine species even in a condo apartment under the M'sian weather.
It's very generous of you for sharing out the info. Look like a few of us here are going to put in quite some "investment" in the pines now.
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post Feb 28 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(chiangchengkooi @ Feb 28 2013, 10:46 AM)
Black Pine or Pinus thunbergii  is expensive in Malaysia becoz
They grow very very slow.
Pine will die if they are stress.
Once the show sign that they are dying u cannot do anything to recover them.
Nursery have to take in consideration these factor when deal with them.

Pine usually does not respond to air layering so your friend cannot propagates for u.
Maybe we can grow black or white pine in Malaysia, but that dos not mean they can propagate sexually here, so no seed for future generation.
Nursery cannot produce them locally.

However there is the Caribbean Pine, Pinus caribaea, a tropical pine do very well in Malaysia. Some people oversea do make bonsai from them.
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Oh! Great guy me! doh.gif
Trying to air layer a newly bought black pine. What a joke! rclxm9.gif
I think I'll just leave it for some time and hope the bottom part of the tree don't die. sweat.gif
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post Feb 28 2013, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(zabel8484 @ Feb 28 2013, 11:58 AM)
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This is the photo given in the website...
Then i buy 50pcs lor, then distribute here...hihi joking..
Why not i just buy a few we test dulu..
I try search, 5 needle pine pun ada!! drool.gif  drool.gif  but bit more mahal, rm25/pokok 40cm height..

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Hi Zabel,

Please order together 2 black pines and 1- 5 needle white pine for me.
I should be going down to Melaka again the next 3 -4 weeks time.
Hope Sifu Chiang will con't to stay on this forum to help us out.
Will see you by then.

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post Feb 28 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(zabel8484 @ Feb 28 2013, 09:44 PM)
Bad news, the agent do not allow me to purchase the black pines, said that the custom will block it... so... no chance...back to the seeds i guess
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post Feb 28 2013, 10:35 PM

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Hi Chiang,

In Min Hoe Yuen Melaka, they just left their black pine in the open subjected to rain and shine but all are looked very healthy.

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For the photo you posted is from "Ah Sui bonsai & nursery" Sg Buloh. (correct me if I'm wrong)
I visited the place just before CNY and there were hardly 15 nos of them left at that time.
But same thing they are left in the open subjected to rain and shine.
So i got a bit confused, whether I should place my pines in the open or with shelter over them.
The yellow and drying up sign appeared only after one week I've placed them in the open area of my garden.
But the place is sheltered off from the sun after 3 pm.
I think the soil mix got problem, it has been raining every evening over here and the soil (actually is sand and coconut fiber black soil mix) although well drained
but never have the change to dry up.
Well may be I'll get some hard burnt brick soil and change the sand mix soil. rclxub.gif

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post Mar 1 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(zabel8484 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:54 AM)
Should i or not buy a black pine tomorrow at MHY
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MHY's black pine is consider cheap.
We got a pine sifu here.
It's the RM consideration only.
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post Mar 1 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Stephagorn @ Feb 25 2013, 08:14 PM)
It was good to meet up with Bonsailelong and Zabel @ Min Hoe Yuen nursery on Saturday. (Even though briefly).

Thank you Bonsailelong for the boxwood gift. Very kind of you indeed.

I managed to get some bonsai supplies, soil, and two of the little flowering plants Bonsailelong recommended. I think it is the lavender purple star.

We must plan up to make another trip sometime.
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Hi Stephagon,

Good to have met you last weekend at MHY Melaka.
Any flower blooms yet from yr Lavander purple star?
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post Mar 2 2013, 10:41 AM

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Hi Chiang,

Again thank you very much for the valuable info which you replied even at about 2 am in the morning.
Buying tanah malang from Sanfong is the best option and not go to Taman Tasik Titiwnagsa to cut he Caribbean pine branches.
Is it only tanah malang alone will be good enough or got to mix with the broken up burnt brick soil?
I've read bout applying high N chemical fertilizer to pine when it started to back dud or the candle bud begins to open for short period
until the needle is about 1 inch long.
Have you ever try using chemical fertilizer on your pine?

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post Mar 3 2013, 05:25 PM

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post Mar 3 2013, 05:26 PM

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Hi G400x2

Have a very busy day eh?

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post Mar 3 2013, 05:40 PM

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Bought this Indonesian volcanic soil, rm25 per bag.

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Here's my 3 babies, now place at one corner of my gazebo facing east, sheltered from rain.
Thanks to sifu Chiang, hope all 3 will survive and become bonsai one day. Hope not after 10 years. yawn.gif

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