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 Car Detailing, How I did mine....

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KrisMas
post Jan 14 2013, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 11 2013, 07:08 PM)
But how to control the speed of drill?

Like my optimum, it was suggested that the speed is to be set around 1.2k~1.5krpm.

What will happen if we do not use the recommended speed? If I set it too fast, will it burn the paint?
I tot we're talking about glass..... sweat.gif

QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ Jan 13 2013, 07:43 PM)
guys, how do you clean your application pad which is soiled with sealant and wax? I heard someone says solvent, but what type of solvent specifically. Now I am using dish washing liquid, but I am looking for a faster way.
Dawn Power Dissolver...can be found in ACE Hardware...be warned it's a little expensive but &%$ it ROCKS. Spray on->leave it for an hour->rinse & squeeze only.
Warning: don't leave it overnight or more than a few hours as it *could* spoil the foam (don't ask how I know that....hehehe...).
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post Jan 15 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 14 2013, 06:38 PM)
btw, can we use the Power Dissolver to clean MF cloth?
Don't. It'll harden the fibers rendering them useless on paint. Use liquid detergent for mfs...preferably ones without softener. Dynamo or normal dish washing detergent would do. Just remember to rinse thoroughly or, better still, mix a little distilled vinegar in a bucket of water and soak the mf before your final rinse to neutralise any leftover detergent. Over time the fibers on the mf will harden, but the above *should* prolong its usage.
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post Jan 15 2013, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 14 2013, 06:38 PM)
I am confused, because I see Osren got sell this thing call "Drill Adapter".
Since I have a drill, might as well try it without a proper polisher ...  laugh.gif
Yup. I have one. But I do suggest you use that for smaller pads only...like their 3 1/2" LC spot buffing pads. It would be *very* difficult to control larger pads with a drill. My drill is single speed and I'm having so much problem controlling the speed with the trigger. It's practical...but could be better if I have a variable speed drill.....
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:57 PM

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KEN....my first rotary polisher (yes it's a rotary and not a DA). Manage to do *almost* one whole car with it (my own car - waja). Sold it off after two months.

Comparing the KEN with the Makita is like comparing a proton with a porche. The 'spinning' will bog/slow down immediately once the buffing pad touches the paint - not enought torque on the motor. The head will heat up if you put too much pressure when polishing. There's no cut off if the motor overheat so if it does, then it's into the trash. If you're on a budget and don't mind it behaving like that, or you're just doing occasional polishing, then it could be an option to start with. But if you're seriously OCD like me, I'll rather spend another RM200 or so and get the DeWalt instead.

Just my 2 sen.
KrisMas
post Jan 16 2013, 03:43 PM

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....sierra glow is not a coating...... innocent.gif
....or is it?

This post has been edited by KrisMas: Jan 16 2013, 03:48 PM
KrisMas
post Jan 17 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(coinstar @ Jan 17 2013, 07:23 AM)
sifu.... can i skipped claying and straight away polish? what is the effect of polish without claying? claying take too much time.....
Can. But you'd need to understand the risks and weight whether it's worth it or not to forgo claying. Worst case, the bonded contaminant can be in the form of large dirt/grit. When you're polishing, the applicator/pad would pick up these grits and you'll be instilling swirls/scratches while using the contaminated applicator/pad.

Theres no short cut in detailing....that's why it's called DETAILING. Well....there's no short cut but there IS a QUICKER WAY of doing it...for a price... brows.gif
KrisMas
post Jan 18 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(coinstar @ Jan 17 2013, 07:33 PM)
what is the quicker way of doing it?
...clay cloth.....

QUOTE(coinstar @ Jan 17 2013, 07:37 PM)
use buffer lah... me think 3 hour also not enough to clay the whole car... that is why straight to polish
At most it'll take me is an hour to clay the whole car.....

QUOTE(BaconBits @ Jan 17 2013, 10:12 PM)
As per TS recommendation, I was looking for Maguire's Scratch X. But all I could find is Swirl X. Im SURE its not the same product, right? Anybody can recommend where I can buy these products in Penang, Malaysia?

I have a new car, but would like to detail it to maintain its new exterior. My car's finish is less than satisfactory - looks like some "holoram" effect, instead of the clear wet finish that your guys have in the pics posted up.

Since its new, im planning to wash, get rid of scratches, apply detailer then wax a couple of coats. I dont think I need to do claying at this point?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
ScratchX been discontinued...now is ScratchX 2.0. SwirlX is milder.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 18 2013, 02:33 PM)
heavy driver. takes only 1month + (or at most 2 months +)  for my 5k km OCI
car parks outside all the time, at work also parking at open space car park.
so... yeah.

the idea of claying is to continue until your claying motion is smooth. believe me when it takes some amount of time just to achieve that even on a small panel.
i am using soft 99 clay bar and turtle wax premium gloss platinum QD.
not the best of products, however they get the job done.

and no, im being very generous using half a clay bar at a time. was painful when i dropped it though  doh.gif
You should try looking for a more aggressive clay....
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post Jan 18 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 18 2013, 03:24 PM)
hmm wouldn't more aggressive clay start to cut the clear coat? also, what clay would you recommend?
Contrary to popular belief (well...at least from what I've been reading here), clay DOES NOT 'cut' the clear coat. And it doesn't make the surface 'glossy' and 'shiny'.
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post Jan 18 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 18 2013, 05:06 PM)
i see, so what aggressive clay would you suggest?
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I can only suggest the few that I've used. Sticking to those that are available locally (though pricing would be another different matter), I'd suggest Meg's Detailing Clay blue or Bilt Hamber Auto Clay Aggressive, the 3M (blue) is also quite decent. I haven't tried any of the OTC clays after some bad experiences with a couple of them (namely PG & can't remember the other one). Maybe somebody else can make a suggestion.

Then again, I'd need to ask, did you really need to go that aggressive avery few months? Cuz I find that I'd need to go aggressive in the beginning only. After a good polishing and protection (wax/sealant), my maintenance claying would normally be using the mild/soft clay only. And this would be anywhere around 4 ~ 6 months and my car also *almost* 24/7 in the open. Which area are you living/working?
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post Jan 18 2013, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Scissorshand @ Jan 18 2013, 06:53 PM)
Where to buy Makita 9227C DA with the accompanying sponges??
First of all, the Makita 9227 is NOT a DA, it's a ROTARY, two very much different machines. The only place that I know where you can buy the machine and also get to buy/choose backing plates of different sizes together with a variety of Lake Country buffing/polishing pads is at Osren. You can also find the same selling at Duragloss Malaysia web site.
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post Jan 18 2013, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ Jan 18 2013, 07:56 PM)
KrisMas: I read from autogeek that aggressive clay doesn't cut but will introduce marring instead. However, I do think it is that visible or maybe my standard of acceptable gloss is lower. Haha..

Usually i only use mild clay because the aggressive clay is very soft and I find it very sticky.

I was using PG clay, so you know my level of acceptance la. haha
I think the 'marring' that they meant is clay residue...like u said...cuz it's 'soft and sticky'. The possibility of scratches might also occur since the aggressiveness of the clay might just shear off and pick up a relatively largher 'chunk' of the contaminant and, if not careful, you'd be wiping that 'chunk' to and fro on the paint. That is just my theory through the limited experience I have with aggressive clay. I say 'limited' cuz I've only clayed a whole car using an aggressive clay twice, ever.

I wouldn't say PG clays are bad. My bad experience with them is when they tend to deteriorate and 'crumble' on me half way through a claying session. It may just be me using wrong choice of lub or some other faults of mine, but the same has not recurred with the rest of the other 'branded' clays that I bought afterwards, namely from Soft99, Meguiars, 3M, Bilt Hamber, Optimum and Riccardo.

QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 18 2013, 08:24 PM)
Even clay also have different types, so if I use PG Clay and clay twice, will it clean better??
I think PG also has different grades, from mild to aggressive. I can't remember which number is which. Some brand even market them as for different paint colour when, in fact, they're actually of different aggressiveness.

Will claying twice clean better? I'm not sure. But I did test out claying with a mild clay until nothing more is being picked up and, when changing to a more aggressive clay, I can still get some more dirt/grit off the paint.
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(mobeus @ Jan 19 2013, 11:21 PM)
How long to wait for a wax to dry? Is there any method to know?
errmm....dry as in ready to be buff off (residue) or dry as in for the car ready to go out? oh...and which wax?

QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jan 20 2013, 10:10 AM)
Hi Guys

Will Sierra glow be good enough for my car? According to some people. It still look like showroom unit after 5 year of application, Really a shocking.gif
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Good luck. I haven't seen any 5 years old cars, as of yet, that 'looks like showroom unit', unless it's just after been detailed by a pro.....
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post Jan 21 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jan 21 2013, 12:30 AM)
Ok bro, Then what is the realistic result from sierra glow?
I've learned/heard that 2 years is the max for most of the coatings available in the markets before they start to degrade. And I'm just talking about degradation of the coating itself, and not defects caused by improper maintenance (eg. swirls, wash marring, scratch, scuffs, etc.).
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post Jan 22 2013, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(mobeus @ Jan 21 2013, 06:05 PM)
Dry as in ready to be buff off. Ermm..i dun remember..but it is meguiars, came along with the clay kit. Cleaner wax or sumtin.
Aiyo...not the Meg's Cleaner Wax that comes in a reddish/maroon color bottle is it? That one you need to work it until it dissapear then, after finishing the whole car, go over another round with a soft mf cloth to remove any leftover residue (shouldn't be much of it left). But, to tell you the truth and sorry to say, the Meg's Cleaner Wax is not much of a cleaner nor a wax...just an average of both.
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post Jan 22 2013, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(mobeus @ Jan 22 2013, 03:55 PM)
BTW..do we need to rinse off / wipe dry the car after rain. Or just let it be
DO NOT WIPE DRY if the car's been driven. Just rinsing with water alone also won't remove much of dirt on the car so, on both occasions, when you wipe, you'll be picking up dirt with your cloth and moving it around the paint....SWIRLS!!!

Best would be, if you're really anal, proper wash with shampoo or blow (with a blower or course) the water off. This is where a healthy protection/wax comes in handy as the water beads would/could be blow off and leaves the surface *almost* dry....
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post Jan 22 2013, 04:25 PM

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....but personally, I'd just let it be and wash the car properly in my free time.
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post Jan 22 2013, 04:41 PM

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^^^GreenJellyBean had just put it better than me...there's plenty of other commitments thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jan 23 2013, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 22 2013, 09:16 PM)
How long can a wax last? Just realize my spray wax only for 3 weeks, in between 1 wash with ONR.

Or my method of application not thorough enough?
QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 22 2013, 11:33 PM)
Let's me try Einszett Spray Wax on the other car and will feedback on the result.
Einszett Spray Wax....wanted very much to try this one...but budget too tight lately...saving for 'something special'.... brows.gif
Anyway, reading the descriptions, it's suppose to be just a 'topper' so 3 weeks durability as a stand-alone should be very decent. But what you can try is, after using it on the car, pull out your car under the sun to 'bake' it for a couple of hours. I find that doing this with Meg's Ultimate Quick Wax can stretch it's durability (beadings).

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 23 2013, 01:38 AM)
well, the stupid label says "lasts up to 12 months" obviously bullshit
Well...they didn't actually lie. 'Up to' 12 months can be anything between 1 day to 364 days.... tongue.gif

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 23 2013, 01:38 AM)
o ya unker, that new thread apamacam? lol
Aiyoyo...I know this would come out sooner or later. But still couldn't manage to find the free time lar. Anyway, I'm always known to be VERY slow so if anybody else want to start the new thread please go ahead la....don't mind me....
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post Jan 23 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 23 2013, 10:28 AM)
hmm wouldn't wax "melt" under heat, so baking it would actually have a reversed effect? or it works in the sense that baking it would get the wax to go deeper into the pores/crevasse of the car surface?
Not sure why....but I think it helps with the curing and cross-linking or something. Whatever it is, it worked for me with the 2 waxes and 1 sealant that I tried with this method.

QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Jan 23 2013, 10:48 AM)
That something special, if you mean big foot, then I am in too.
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post Jan 23 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ Jan 23 2013, 01:51 PM)
did i hear big foot? wah... where do you plan to get the Rupes stuff?
Not far... tongue.gif

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