People already said "ONR".

So there are entrance fee for just visitting huh ?

Ermm, I don't think so... But even 3 to 5 series alike they won't want to bother you much :S....

I see, well then guess i'll end up stalking around.

quite when u r not doing anything


Detailing with ZEROsp




sure
will keep u inform
soon le

yupp....me and Zerosp was busy detailing



This car is strictly ONR

its completely diffrent......Meg QD cost rm 40

ONR 32 Oz cost RM 80 ....which you can make 164 bottles of 500ml QD


Yes
where as OID is Instant detailer......which contain polymers that will clean and enhance your paint glossiness & protect it against further contamination

excellant product i use every weekly to protect my uncoated car


yupp Zerosp is right in this....you should see his meticulous eyes and detail ........ saluting his passion

once who ocares for cars more than most average onwer




Yupp.... u too would be using it on this.....if u own this


PM ZEROSP.......he got it here


yupp and so easy 3 MF in 20 minutes average


Belum rasa mana tau

sudah rasa nanti cow lo




Thanks Zerosp for the excellent contribution here....keep it up

This post has been edited by KC's: Oct 11 2012, 06:49 PM

hi... my car is 1yr n 8 months n its white.. been to those detailing shops before but still there will be watermarks n black line stains after rain... tired of using bare hands to polish n wax... can someone plz recommend me some reasonable power tools to use n how not to damage the car's pain... now m juz using meguiars polish n its wax..

See...this is the kind of rubbish that comes out from your mouth every time you don't engage your brain before letting your fingers loose.

Who are you to determine the value of "get what you deserve"? A LV wallet might be bad value to you but an absolute dream to many...and what about a $3000 haircut or a $500 steak? You can charge whatever if you are good enough, and just because you can't afford one doesn't mean you have to develop a sour grape attitude towards it.

Do you think you are smarter and have better appreciation of value than those successful millionaires and high-end car traders who engages Darren's services?

why do you feel the need to constantly bad mouth other competitors (not sure if "competitor" is the right term to use as I don't think you are fit even to lace Darren's shoe tbh!) just to give your low self esteem a false sense of lift?

what have you accomplish so far in your short time in this business other than constantly talking garbage?

do you think you're even good enough to apply for the job as a detailer in Darren's outfit?

Have you actually tried or see first hand what is the level of his work to come to this open "statement" in public?

Somehow I don't think you are intellect enough to spray this brand of nonsense, so whoever is behind this better grow some integrity in running a business.

Deep down I know you are yearning to run a business like Darren's and you respected his work but this is the wrong way to show your respect and admiration.

You might not be good enough now, but that doesn't mean you can't improve and give respect to the others. (not everyone like Tiger Wood but I bet he made many improve their golf game watching him play).

In this business, you don't have to adopt a "for me to survive, you have to die" kind of attitude. Just because you won a keyboard doesn't mean you should poison others to attract business your way.

Somehow, I don't need to know your reasoning behind all these tosh but an apprentice should just open his eyes and learn, and like what your "sifu" like to say, SHOW US YOUR WORK. Not much in it from you, ain't it right? That as they say is a landslide TKO!!!

---

Added on October 17, 2012, 8:48 pm

Polishing is like sanding a wooden furniture...yeah right...and a 1982 Chateau Petrus is just another wine and a 1990 Ch d'Yquem is just another alcohol beverage.

So you know that Opti-Coat is the BEST for a FACT? you must have tried and compared many other products besides reading some brochures and read others posts in forums for your "education" to come to this conclusion then? Please don't be so blinded by your self-serving interest...there are always better products out there Just because you have been fed with that "fact" doesn't make it right!

---

Added on October 17, 2012, 9:06 pmA little tip from Robert today...how appropriate



This post has been edited by AbsoluteGloss: Oct 17 2012, 09:06 PM

ZeroSP...I suggest before you say anything, just stop for a moment and think deep and hard of what you've just put down there in your post. If you meant that as a joke then it's not funny. If you're jealous of Darren's achievements, so are most of the detailers around the world. Some question his work, some question his pricing, some question the necessity of spending so much capital, some even question whether the results were his or from the detailers he employed. But one thing *almost* all the detailers around the world agreed upon is, Darren has succesfully commercialised 'Professional Detailing' to a level achieved only by a handsfull of people around the world. I don't see much advertisement from him, nor do I see him doing any marketing fiasco in any forums. But yet, people are talking about him and kept flocking his place...and he doesn't even use Optimum products. Ask yourself why?

Sorry to butt in like this. But I'm just surprised of what's being posted and so sad with all these going-ons....

this ZeroSP LOVES TO CONDEMN PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC and bad mouth...very typical behavior where one would go and condemn others or their products.....just to gain that extra inch...not even a mile.

Just demostrate his character, passion and upbringing.....people who read this without reliasing the way you promote yourself is blind...

Yes the garage that charge people thousand of dollars..."x kedekut ilmu" lah weyyyyy.....he didn't even force people to buy his product ...

see his finishing goods first and then decide, if one have the money, go for it....
why must it be Optimum? just because you are the distributor??
can buy online and from Spore lah weyyyy.....

What to be suprise bro...just be wary and be inform not to follow and support this type of business man...

Hey guys keep it civil man...let's not trash other people's business or products...there are too many brands and products out there so no need for one brand blind loyalty lah...everyone got a right to have their say but let's give mutual respect and be a gentleman ok?

my bad.

After reading what has been posted, I feel that I should say something.

It is indeed difficult to control what is written on the internet. Common civil decency seems to disappear behind the veil of an online persona and the promise of anonymity that the internet brings...

There is no need to put anyone down in the interest of promoting oneself or a particular product.

There is also no 'one product to rule them all'... :-)

I have always believed in showing your work and what can be done with whatever products you choose. There are advantages and disadvantages to all products on the market and there is no one perfect product. Check out what's there and make up your own minds.

I also believe that if you are truly good and you know it, that there would be no need to compare yourself with anyone else or to put someone else down. Your work should be able to stand on its own. Having to put someone down to move yourself up just indicates a lack of self-confidence.

It is a free market and consumers can spend their money where ever they want.

As I say, "It's not how much you can charge your customer but how much they would be willing to pay you".

We shouldn't be bickering about how much others charge for their products or services. It's the consumers money and if they feel that the price is not worth the money then they will spend it somewhere else. Just because you don't agree with that does not give you a right to publicly state that the products or services are overpriced. If you believe so, then don't buy it!

What about Darren?

Let me just say that to my mind, Darren is the #1 detailer in the country.

Is it because he is the best? Is there really a way to determine who is the best?

I'm sure there are others out there who can match his quality of work and he probably is too busy running his business to actually detail cars personally, but to me, he is the best because he has built up his business and reputation to the level that most of us can only dream off.

Darren has tirelessly worked his way up. He did not start with a 'batcave' given to him but he has worked for years to get to where he is now.

Respect is due and well and truly deserved.

As we have always said, "Show Me Your Work!".

*Does Darren really need to show you more of his? :-)

Shyan and Seech/Jack well said!

I do feel that I just need to add a wee bit on this. Not pointing or targeting any particular person/establishment, just a general statement.

It's ok for people like me, you or any other consumers to put down their views of other establishments or products (may it be good or bad) after trying/using them or engaging their services. As, being a consumer, we do have that prerogative. It's just a matter of exercising it wisely. But for somebody who are doing the same business in the same industry to do so....well....that's just plain rude and un-gentleman-like conduct.

I try to never look down on any brands/products/establishments/etc. unless they really stinks (putting aside CarPro IronX, Sonax Wheel Cleaner and the like as they stink like rotten egg but work quite decently...). The same product you're selling might be selling at a different price somewhere else, or somebody else might charge cheaper for doing the same thing you're doing. Who's/what's good or bad is for people like us (consumers) to decide. And, I think there is a saying that goes something like this: "one person's trash could be another's treasure".

We, the consumers, had long seen and experienced too many 'bad' traders taking advantage of our non-awareness and ignorance for the sake of 'making a profit'. That's why I like to DIY those that I can afford to do myself. That's why it took me months to buy a simple TV set, it took me years to buy a house of my own, it took me days to buy and change a single light bulb (okay....that could be because I was being lazy...), etc. And that's why I've spent god knows how much RM already for detailing tools and products (since we ARE in a detailing thread) just to test them out and learn to evaluate their pro and cons. And there are always two sides of them: PROs and CONs. Not strong enough but cheap, dangerous but fast and effective, extreme durability but can't protect from water spots, extreme protection but can't even last a week, etc...etc....

We learn so that we can progress.....and if we want to progress we need to learn....

Cheerio and have a cheerful and nice detailing voyage...I know I do.

can some sifus please recommend me a budget car polisher for car detailing??? sooo tired using hands to polish n wax the whole car... found some black&decker polisher which is RM200... can someone please tell me where n which polisher is good without making damages to the paint??? thanks...

What's your budget? What do you want to achieve?

Hi.. I am a newbie in caring for my car. This is my story and how i did mine.

I started reading and using carcare product from aug on my 6 months old car.

When i got the car, the body/paint was not at its best condition for a new car.It was probably kept poorly/uncovered carpark at the storage garage. There was a lot of contaminants stuck at the paint surface and was very rough.

After much reading & watching youtube. I bought :-
1. Meguiars new car kit.
2. Meguiars paint restoration kit.
3. Meguiars soft buff 7" yellow pad
4. Black & decker kp600 + velcro (sponsored)

As per megs tutorial, i wash, clay, ultimate compound and wax.

So far i must say, i am very satisfied. Now i am kinda chasing for my own ultimate shine.

Btw my car is white, i know, its an easy color, but i hate it when it doesnt shine..

---

Added on October 18, 2012, 10:45 pmI am currently using Black & decker. My car had low level swirls/scrathes due to using improper washing cloths.

I used the BD with megs yellow pad to polish but wax still by hand (i havent bought the black finishing pad yet).
So far it does the job but need to be patient when polishing bcoz might need to do 3-4 passes depending on the damage.
(polishing should not be frequent anyways).

I am now targeting to buy the black pad for waxing but still researching bcoz it might be difficult to use the 7 " pad for tight areas. Trying to find 5.5" pad and to see whether it fits the BD. maybe sifus can give some ideas on this.

Btw, to polish/to do correction, it still depends on your type of paint (soft or not, single stage or not, how thick is it right now etc). [attachmentid=3108491][attachmentid=3108494]

This post has been edited by imanqm: Oct 18 2012, 11:46 PM


Attached thumbnail(s)

budget ard RM300+... achieve.. well not 100% showroom finish but atleast got 80% lookalike... coz if not mistaken some say rotary /orbital powertools will cause swilr marks...which is why DA powertools r recommended.... but the DA powertools i saw is Makita which costs a BOMB!!! i'm not using this tool to earn money soooo dun think it is worth the money... if only the tool can do multitask work den only its worth it...but for all I know it is solely for polishing cars... sooo hope sifus here can guide me on the next best powertool to purchase... thanks a million.. ^^

---

Added on October 19, 2012, 9:23 amthanks bro for such informative guidelines... really appreciate it.. by the way may I know the black&decker is which type or powertool...is it a Dual-Action(DA), rotary, orbital???? coz from the internet they say best is to use DA powertools to avoid swirl marks... and oso may I know how much u buy dat powertool????

by the way... I'm oso having a white car...n its an eyesore whenever it rains n the black water line marks appear... kakaka... if only there is a way to prevent it.. ^^ tried PPS, Sierraglow... still the same thing...


This post has been edited by bruce07: Oct 19 2012, 09:23 AM

Sorry to say, but with RM300, you won't be able to get much. A new, good quality DA would cost you at least around RM600, and an orbital (we normally call it a Random Orbital Buffer - ROB) like the Bosch is round RM350. By the way, a rotary rotate/spin whereas a DA/orbital would 'vibrate', like the B&D or Bosch. You won't be able to do much correction with a DA/ROB. But, saying that, I'm trying to find some time to try out some new polishes that is said to be able to do some decent amount of correction on a DA/ROB. So, there might still be hope for those who have limited budget to get some decent level of results. But still, RM300 is a little on the low side, considering you'd also need to buy a few buffing pads as well.

I'd say your next best option would be to get to know some of the detailing enthusiasts around here who detail as a hobby. Make some friends and you might be able to borrow from them cuz, from personal experience , they only use the machine occasionally. I would volunteer mine but, unfortunately, my bosch is already with another guy.

If you don't fancy that, then you can opt for those china-made cheap rotaries that cost around RM200 and spend some RM100 ~ RM150 more for a few buffing pads. Just be aware though, these machines' performance are way off if compare to the like of the Makita or DeWalt. But you should be able to get a decent level of finish with some extra patience, care and perserverence, not to mention some good quality coaching and plenty of practicing.

Another option that you could consider is to get your car to be properly detailed by a professional and just follow up with some DIY maintenance. For this, the B&D might be all the tools you'd need. With a good maintenance scheme/routine, you might not need another full detail for a couple of years or so.

Ask away if you have any more questions.

Well, you can try washing your car more thoroughly and pay extra attention to those area where the marks originate. Dirt/contaminant could be accumulating at those cracks or crevises where they originate and rain/water would wash them out, hence causing those marks. Try flushing them out more thoroughly with a strong jet of water or something the next time you wash your car and see whether the occurrance is reduced. But as long as the marks can be easily removed during your normal washing, then it wouldn't be much of a concern. If they're difficult to wash off, then I would think that the protection (wax/sealant/coating) is weakening/deteriorating and it's time to apply a fresh coat.

Regards.

ps. no I'm not a professional detailer nor do I detail for money. I'm just a hobbyist whose been maintaining my own rides and enjoying every minutes of it.....hehehe.....

Am an enthusiast and am using the Makita 9227c. I find it to be fantastic.