i think he means rescue by buying it from the seller who is not capable of taking care of it properly. something like the petaling street pet shop where you see the suggies all in small cages and dirty, etc etc. so he thinks he can 'rescue' it by buying it and giving it a better home. but then it's like a chicken and egg situation, if you buy one, then the seller would go catch another to replace the one you bought. so, would you go and rescue more and more? there must be a limit or better yet, you can't do anything for them.

Then you will only give them all the more reason to CATCH MORE ENDANGERED ANIMALS. Oh come on do you really think they're that nice?

You can't RESCUE them. If rescue you mean taking it by force and arresting the dealer? HELL YEAH.

But they way you rescue? HAH. moron.

as you said it is illegal to own and sell. so dun beworry about the "if you buy then supplier will got new supply" , becoz this thing is not easy + extra illegal + jail. so they would not dare to sell. beside this is not a pet shop stocks. so you can only get it at kampung or somewhere else this is just once in a while for example some villager caught it , and they are poor, so they want to earn extra cash for their family , so they sell it , and that how it happen.

Once in a while. How many 'once in a while's do you want until they go disappear?

Just effing accept the fact that you did something horrendously wrong.

No matter what you say, rescuing or what, they are still endangered animals and you still bought one. You are a bad person. No. no bad. Just horrendously moronic.

This post has been edited by abesabraham: Jul 31 2008, 12:41 PM

dude okay. illegal is still illegal. due to internationally endangered. so now we are talking bout people who owns and love it.

everybody know it is illegal. give opportunity for people to know this lovely creature and to share info. we are not mean people. we are also like "abesabraham". who is a pet lover. so are we

the one who loves god creatures. for example if it this not extinct for sure it would be new thread e.g " slow loris heaven" in this forum. so as matter of now it is extinct.

so give chances for people who already own it, or in the future manage to RESCUE to learn and share info.

dont argue regarding is illegality. bacause we know already and know the consequences.

beside slow loris is really easy to take care and can live happilly ever after in captivity.

you dont belive go zoo negara. they put in small cages and just chunk food, no pookok no balak or anything . because they know they can live easily on just food,

they are not social creatures .


but guys if you see my loris owh damn so manja. clinches on my hand and raise up both hand when i tickle his armpit.

beside i got a circle of loris friend so we can breed them also( just a plan).

so i am helping to increase their population,.


so illegality case closed. illegal is still illegal.

so now give chances for people who owns it and people who want to admire it.

This post has been edited by matmon: Jul 31 2008, 12:44 PM

I dont effing care about Zoo Negara. It's Zoo Negara for christ's sake.

So, you're telling me. That if I see your slow loris I would change my mind about how you bought an endangered animal and should praise you?

IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU A CHANCE FOR YOU BASK IN THE GLORY OF HAVING AN ENDANGERED PET.

The fact is you didn't rescue it. You can say you did. But really you didn't.

You can be in denial all you want. All you did was give other people the OKAY SIGN saying it's alright for you to take them in.

LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. YOU JUST TOOK ONE ANIMAL FROM ITS HOME AND PLUS ITS ENDANGERED.

If there were more people like you, the species would have clearly gone extinct.

And for you saying that its easy to take care, hell no.

I've done some research on them and they need special care and housing.

I have no idea what you're doing to the slow loris but I CAN TELL YOU THIS it probably would be better off in its natural habitat.

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Added on July 31, 2008, 12:56 pmhttp://www.proanimalia.org/index_files/Page360.htm

http://www.warthai.org/Project/WARED/loris.htm

READ YOU MORON.

HERES MORE.

http://www.loris-conservation.org/

This post has been edited by abesabraham: Jul 31 2008, 01:00 PM

lol.. you don't mess with the abes sisters

wow... =.= popcorn and coke time.

abesabraham. i have do some debate with some good doctors, inluding zoo negara people. yes of course basically they do not support having it as a pet due to docthor's ethic .

but after putting my point they seem to be okay. beside many of these creatures are in endangered due to deforestation and people use it as medicine purposes.

okay whatever it is like i told you illegal is illegal. endangered is endangered( MEANWILE i trying to increase the population by breeding it)

then come on , i have own it for almost two years, and i;ve been regularly go to the vet. there is nothing difficult about loris to take care of it. good house good food. good attention. good hygiene and vet. thats it.

it does not as difficult as koala or something else that need special food like eucalyptus gum or whatever. but for loris you just need to give some vitamin, calcium, banana, and protein like quail egg. or sometimes give special treat fruits (because loris is local creature so they eat local fruits beside SLOW LORIS SUPPORT THE MALAYSIA MOTTO *GUNALAH BARANGAN TEMPATAN* )and play manja with them.


so come share info here guys regarding loris and primate.

beside abesabraham i also got a beruk (pig tailed mcaque) they play along togather like brother and sister. they clinched togather .

my concept of pet is make them happy and if can dont put cages. for my red iguana now is three years old quite large. i dont put any cages .just let it roam inside my house as it is toilet train. my parrot no cages, as put in the parrot stand no ties, of course la already tamed and train if not can fly around and destroy furnitures.

and my monkey i use pampers and give bath twice a week play inside my house.

so "SHOW SOME LOVE TO YOUR CREATURE GUYS) AND YOU WILL GET THE LOVE TOOO.

This post has been edited by matmon: Jul 31 2008, 01:10 PM

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I have nothing to say to you. You clearly still don't understand the big picture.






okay.

and pet lover, another thing to be stated, i f you really love you pet and willing to bring it to the vet, and sure do take care like zoo do.

so what the heck, whats the different. you send to the vet, take care like zoo do , so is there any different zoo and pet lover. emm i guess no.

indeed if you specialize on only few animals indeed better. so do some research , go see vet , show some love to animal , walah go and take care of it.


but ANOTHER THING DONT BUY PLEASE( MORE DEMAND MORE SUPPLY) SO ONLY RESCUE.


so anyway come and share guys.

I'm sorry but I really really disagree with you. There is a reason why we call them endangered animals. It is because the WILD population is decreasing. The experts are not referring to the ones that are kept by people. Basically, not having these creatures as pets affects us little (in the sense that we can survive) but having it extinct from the wild affects our ecosystem's delicate balance. Where do you get your slow loris from? The wild of course. It is endangered so there's no way anyone can keep it or breed it legally. And Are you going to release the babies into the wild to "increase population" as you put it? I don't think so. The way you say it, you are going to increase the popularity of the pet by creating more lovers. It sounds really good, but what happens to people who can't get it frm limited captive bred ones? They get it from people who catch it in the wild. There you go again. Population decrease.

Plus releasing into the wild is difficult. They need facility and basically lots of fund to rehabilitate the animal to go and fend for itself in the wild. Just simply releasing it is basically starving or killing it. Since food arrives for them twice a day, they won't know where to start looking for food. They won't know what their natural predators look like. Stuff like that. Even with rehabilitations, chances of survival is not all that high. If it is, then many species in the world won't be endangered because they can just breed and use this technique but it just doesn't work that way.

I can clearly see that many of the zoo animals are kept in not so clean cages and obviously lacking because sometimes, we can't just recreate things they need in the wild. That would explain why the zoo only has a monkey or two in certain cages? It used to have a lot. Wat happened to them? Can't they "breed" as you put it? Not so easy... If they can do that the cages should be packed, not decreasing in numbers.

And when you rescue one from those sellers, you are encouraging the sellers to get again because there are too many who want to "rescue" them. We humans are born with compassion but think for the later generations. Massive amounts are going to be caught from the wild to satisfy the need of people making them into pets. This decreases their population even more.

And don't compare them to ferrets and suga gliders. DUDE, they are not going extinct. It's on a whole differnt level. And both of these pets already have established suppliers who breed them in captivity. Your pet doesn't. It's comparing apples and oranges. The kind of comparison you should be doing is against elephants and orang utans.

So there is a very good reason as to why it is illegal. wild bred ones are just different from captive bred ones. This is not about your slow loris. This is about the population of slow loris as a whole in the world. It is illegal, it is going extinct in the wild, both of these are facts. It doesn't matter that slow loris are easy to care for, are funny or cute as you claim (and I'm not sure they are). They are disappearing from the wild and YOU are a contributing factor.

And you are now out to make more "friends" who will help deplete slow loris numbers in the wild. Please don't do that. Yes you own it and love it. But think for our world and the slow loris with a bigger spec. Encouraging people to love them as pets just encourages more being captured. How about encouraging people to love them as part of our nature? That's better. And helping people who "rescued" them impulsively is good of you. But don't encourage people to "rescue" them. If you really love them, you will want them to thrive in their wild habitat too, not just in your home.

He doesn't understand.

Period.

Fullstop.

End of story.

He is a moron.

Abe, I know you have good intentions and you're being straightforward ( The kind of people I like) but some people will just see it as being mean lar.

You're just making him stand his ground and be more stubborn. If he is trully as moronic as you say, telling him nicely and arguing really doesn't help so we should save our breath. Just say your piece and leave it be. Some people can't see the bigger point. But some just need to be told to nicely.

Even if he doesn't get it, I'm sure some others will consider wat you say. You did a great job.

A fool cannot understand common sense, even when a million people speaks it.

Sometimes I try to be nice. But the inner demon gets the best of me.
Oh well.




Well said.

haiz
please stop in whatever u doin
i dont't want to see slow loris extincnt

okay so guys out there PLEASE DONT BUY . BUT incase you manage to rescue them i suggest dont release to the wild as it is dangerous for them to survive in the wild after being kept n captivity.

so either you learn to take good care out of it or give to the trusted body. so as i told you guys i dont buy from pet store and i rescue.

so i think it is better for me to keep and breed with my friend rather than give to the zoo negara( i have spoke to few doctors and they dont recomend zoo negara due to high dead rate). i repeat zoo negara is quite good just that they do not have enough specialist and capacity to take care of it. so IF YOU GUYS MANAGE TO RESCUE , EITHER TAKE CARE PROPERLY OR GIVE TO OTHER TRUSTED BODIES.

SO JAMIEN if you in my situation will let it die in the small cages or buy it

then after you buy will you give to trusted bodies or take care of it( if capable and interested) ? that is the question

but for me what i am doing , there is no different than the trusted bodies. they give food, vet, good places , good care. same as me..


so the point is guy i will absolutely wont allow you guys to purchase because it is endangered. but if you managed to RESCUED from mischievous people then do it.

yeah JAMIEN, what i want to tell you this thing cannot be sell, so not that we buy from people or pet store who can get a lot of this LOVELY CREATURE BE( DUE TO ITS ILLEGALITY), but sometime there is kampung people who managed to get it then they sell. so to those managed to get this unfortunate please help them.


I REPEAT DO NOT BUY BUT RESCUED. as others said rescue " why dont give zoo " i told you already no differences indeed poor and maybe die in custody. thays why if you go to perhilitan , you will wonder why do many animal being kept there unproperly because why brother and sister? but because zoo negara tak nak.. ( kenapa ini boleh jadi, because they dont have the capacity). if go perhilitan see got one eagle die already. very pitty just put in cage and chunk food. better they give owners take care of it.


my moral of story, depeletion of endagered mostly due to deforestaion and other causes, rarely due to people like me ( i mean i do not order or demand i repeat, i rescue),


so now I REPEAT AGAIN THIS THREAD NOT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BUY,


SO NOW WE DISCUSS FOR PEOPLE WHO MANAGED TO RESCUED AND PLANNED TO TAKE CARE (DONT WANT TO GIVE BODIES BECAUSE CANT BE TRUSTED) AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ADMIRE.



so is like god has given you chances to save the world by raring it.

AGAIN DONT BUY PELASE BUT RESCUE.


SO NOW COME SHARE AND AMIRE GOD CREATURES

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Added on July 31, 2008, 1:34 pmthanks you guys for loving this creatures and helping others to know that buying is wrong. but incase you rescue please either go send to right bodies or take care.

dont go and release in the wild because it is dangerous, due to other prey, and they will not acustom to it after kept in capticity.

This post has been edited by matmon: Jul 31 2008, 01:38 PM

Yes! please Don't Buy but steal from any shops or traders you see selling them! You! Yes you! eating the chicken! Go out there and steal! Save an animal now!

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Added on July 31, 2008, 1:37 pmStealing from them is not a crime! YAY!

This post has been edited by HuonHengChai: Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM

I am telling you this as a lover of nature as well as all animals in the world. I will let it die. Why, you ask? How can I be so cruel and still call myself an animal lover? Because I look at the big picture. When it dies, the shop/seller will not go and encourage people to catch it from the wild so they can sell it. Because it's difficult to sell and not good for business. Then their population in the wild can be stable and even increase. So yes, I will let it die. I will force myself to look somewhere else and walk away. Because more is at stake than that 1 slow loris in the cage. The population of thousands of slow loris, their very existance is at stake.

Sigh... Please understand. From my paragraph above as you read it. Tell me, when you rescue it, aren't you buying it? You are encouraging people to catch more when you "rescue it" we use "rescue" instead of rescue because you are not rescuing the population of slow loris. You are putting them in danger. Even if you rescued it by stealing it, the people will think it is valuable, so got people steal, and feel more encouraged to stock whenever possible, and more get captured!

Unless you rescue it in the sense that you inform WWF or someting and get this buying to stop on the spot then I'm all for it.

When the request stops, the stocking will too. Rescuing is making more people want it. DON'T!

Please look at the bigger picture and help slow loris as a whole. They're disappearing because of humans! Don't be a contributing factor.