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post Aug 11 2010, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 11 2010, 12:27 AM)
Oh, I thought the Synology DS411+ is cheaper than TS410 (as quoted by supplier)
I just compare the feature on QNAP has more things & connections on it. I didn't compare its processor. I didn't know what's is important to compare.

I just saw a review on QNAP TS410 RAID is using software based, so is slower than hardware based RAID.
How to see is the Synology DS411+ is software or hardware RAID based ?

I'm planning to get one for office use.
My budget can buy Synology DS411+ or QNAP TS410. Or price around it also can.
Please recommend. Thanks.
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Normally, NAS using software RAID. so until today, synology also using software RAID.

if for office use, Synology DS411+ is better than TS410 in term of the speed and can handle more request.

the similar to Synology DS411+ is QNAP TS-459PRO
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post Aug 11 2010, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 11 2010, 09:57 AM)
Normally, NAS using software RAID. so until today, synology also using software RAID.

if for office use, Synology DS411+ is better than TS410 in term of the speed and can handle more request.

the similar to Synology DS411+ is QNAP TS-459PRO
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Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?

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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 11 2010, 11:57 PM)
Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?
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so far USB 3.0 not available for NAS yet... I think this will happen after most of the NB/PC / external casing come with USB 3.0.

as this model is not hot-swapable model, u need to power off the NAS and replace the HDD , power on again.


1. Remove the crashed hard disk (icon with exclamation mark) as indicated in the disk status of the page, and replace it with a new one.
2. Click Manage.
3. Select Repair.
4. Follow the wizard to repair the volume.

to prevent HDD spoil, one of the best way is to use APC UPS 650VA ( RM 3xx) ,

Enabling UPS support can prevent data from being loss when an unexpected power failure occurs

Under the default settings, the system will enter Safe Mode* when the UPS reaches low battery (local UPS), or when the UPS server enters Safe Mode (network UPS). You can specify the amount of time that elapses before system enters Safe Mode after a power failure, but if UPS reaches low battery or the UPS server enters Safe Mode before the time you specified, the system will enter Safe Mode immediately.

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When entering Safe Mode, the system will first stop all services and unmount all data volumes to prevent data loss, so that when the UPS shuts down, the system will be turned off safely. If the Power Recovery function has been enabled, the system will restart automatically when power is restored. You can go to the "System > Power" page to enable the Power Recovery function.



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any idea where i can get mini itx mobo for those low powered amd or intel proc? Most mini itx only has 2-3 sata ports right? Or am i looking at micro atx if i would like to build my own nas system.

Trying to build a 4 disk system below 2k... the cheaper the better..
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Aug 12 2010, 04:49 PM)
any idea where i can get mini itx mobo for those low powered amd or intel proc? Most mini itx only has 2-3 sata ports right? Or am i looking at micro atx if i would like to build my own nas system.

Trying to build a 4 disk system below 2k... the cheaper the better..
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if u want cheaper... I still have 2 units leave of DS407e ( low spec) , we can offer @ RM 999.00 ( without HDD, come with 1 year limited warranty)

so if you use 4 x 1TB HDD, total cost should be less than 2K. if 2TB , price should over 2K

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 12 2010, 09:40 AM)
so far USB 3.0 not available for NAS yet... I think this will happen after most of the NB/PC / external casing come with USB 3.0.

as this model is not hot-swapable model, u need to power off the NAS and replace the HDD , power on again.
  1. Remove the crashed hard disk (icon with exclamation mark) as indicated in the disk status of the page, and replace it with a new one.
  2. Click Manage.
  3. Select Repair.
  4. Follow the wizard to repair the volume.

to prevent HDD spoil, one of the best way is to use APC UPS 650VA ( RM 3xx) ,

Enabling UPS support can prevent data from being loss when an unexpected power failure occurs

Under the default settings, the system will enter Safe Mode* when the UPS reaches low battery (local UPS), or when the UPS server enters Safe Mode (network UPS). You can specify the amount of time that elapses before system enters Safe Mode after a power failure, but if UPS reaches low battery or the UPS server enters Safe Mode before the time you specified, the system will enter Safe Mode immediately.

Safe Mode*

When entering Safe Mode, the system will first stop all services and unmount all data volumes to prevent data loss, so that when the UPS shuts down, the system will be turned off safely. If the Power Recovery function has been enabled, the system will restart automatically when power is restored. You can go to the "System > Power" page to enable the Power Recovery function.
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if i choose the QNAP with Hot-Swap feature, if one drive spoil & I replace it next 2 days, can it Automatically build it back the RAID-5 without click in the management ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 14 2010, 12:52 AM)
if i choose the QNAP with Hot-Swap feature, if one drive spoil & I replace it next 2 days, can it Automatically build it back the RAID-5 without click in the management ?
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as per what I know, it will auto but please make sure your new HDD is same size or bigger and same speed or faster speed.

if you slot in old HDD (with data) than you old data will gone. please take note.
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 11 2010, 11:57 PM)
Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?
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Hot swappable and non hotswappable, the HDD still can replace and rebuild.

Is there any advantage beside that?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 14 2010, 11:49 AM)
Hot swappable and non hotswappable, the HDD still can replace and rebuild.

Is there any advantage beside that?
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yes. with or without HS, HDD still can replace and rebuild.

the main difference is non HS, you need to power off your NAS and replace new HDD. this may take about less than 10 mins ( depends on your skill)

if HS, than u can replace the HDD without power down your NAS.

if you are use for personal, this will be no a big deal but for some company, they want to make sure the NAS must be always on than this will useful for them
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I tried to search but couldnt find a concrete fact...

Can i use the WD World Edition as a torrent server ?

Thanks...
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post Aug 18 2010, 07:07 AM

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Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?

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QUOTE(guestx @ Aug 18 2010, 07:07 AM)
Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?
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so far , still cannot, but today Synology just release DSM 3.0 beta, we are downloading now, will try and update later..

if anyone want to try : Synology DSM 3.0 beta link






below is some info about DSM 3.0 beta

New Features

1. Personalized Web Desktop1 :
* The new DiskStation Manager Desktop is redesigned to provide an easy-to-use and intuitive user interface. The personal Desktop keeps users' applications and functions easily accessible. Besides, it's customizable so that users can change the wallpaper and background color on their own preference.
* Main menu is comprised of control panel and all applications, from which users can freely drag the icons to Desktop, or remove it at a later time. The application icons in main menu are available to users at all times.
* Control panel consolidates all system settings where users can easily modify both software and hardware settings. Home button on the navigation bar provides instant access back to the homepage of control panel.
* Help browser is added to provide direct access to a comprehensive library of all functions’ introduction and instructions. Home button on the navigation bar provides instant access back to the homepage of Help.
* Search field on both task bar and navigation bar on Control Panel helps users to look through applications or Help at the same time.
* Search field is added to task bar on User, Group, and Domain Privileges to assist admin locating the user accounts and group with ease and efficiency.
* Uploading queue on task bar provides quick information of the latest uploading tasks.
* File task monitor allows users to check the progress of all uploading and background tasks.
* System Information and Resource Monitor help users to track the health status of their DiskStations.
* Storage Manager is added to help users easily organize their hard drives and volumes, as well as iSCSI LUN and target.
* Backup and Restore is added to provide centralized management for all your ongoing backup tasks.
* Package Management allows users to quickly enable or disable any service provided by quick install applications packed and tested by Synology.
* Notification window on task bar alerts users when a background task is completed.
* Show Desktop button allow users to minimize all application windows to the task bar, and provides instant access to restore all running applications.
2. Multitasking: Users can run multiple applications simultaneously on Desktop and switch between them instantly. Multitasking support saves users from the constant wait of refreshing the whole webpage. All running applications are placed on the task bar.
3. File Browser:
* File Browser provides easy file navigation on Desktop.
* Drag-and-drop between two different file browsers to copy or move files is now supported and provides easy file management.
* File uploading in the background is supported therefore allows users to switch to another application without interrupting.
* File browser now replaces File Station of the default management UI port. File Station on the customized port remains the same.
4. EXT4 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j):
* EXT4 file system is now supported to allow volumes with sizes up to 1 Exabyte and files with sizes up to 16 Terabytes.
* The number of subdirectories that a share folder can contain is up to 64,000.
5. Linux Kernel (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j): Linux Kernel is now upgraded to 2.6.32.
6. Windows Access Control List2 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j):
* Windows Access Control List (ACL) is now supported3 to enhance data security and the compatibility with Windows®. Users can easily set up the Windows ACL privileges on share folders and files on DiskStation in a Windows environment.
* Allow access permissions to be granted or denied for every file object, providing much finer-grained access control and a greater degree of selectivity.
* 13 security attributes are supported to offer a variety of security levels.
7. iSCSI Enhancements:
* LUN mapping support allows multiple LUNs to be mapped to each iSCSI Target.
* iSCSI Target masking support provides access control for each iSCSI initiators. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
* Multiple iSCSI Connections per iSCSI Session (MC/S) support allows iSCSI initiator to use multiple connections for storing data to or fetching data from a Synology DiskStation to prevent single connection failure, it also provides load balancing. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
* SPC-3 PR module is implemented to provide failover clustering support in Microsoft® Windows Server 2008. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
8. Surveillance Station 5:
* 253 more IP camera models from Sanyo, Toshiba, Cisco, AirLive, Messoa, TP-Link, Etrovision, and other brands are now supported. View the complete list here.
* ONVIF and PSIA support provides the compatibility between Surveillance Station 5 and ONVIF and PSIA compliant IP cameras.
* The whole user interface is revamped to provide easy navigation and easy-to-use user experience. Larger viewable area is available in Live View and Timeline.
* 25 channels & 36 channels layout are now added in Live View to offer users who utilize the centralized management on Surveillance Station with more options.
* Non-sync mode in Timeline event player allows users to view events from up to 4 IP cameras simultaneously in a more efficient way.
* Time slicing is now added to Event Player to split the playing event into four equal-length clips to help users quickly glance through the whole event.
* Guard wizard is added to guide users through the process of setting up the patrol and Guard tasks with the IP cameras.
* Event filter is enhanced with new layout to help users locate the events within a timely fashion.
* Log filter is now added to help users quickly spot the log event they are looking for.
9. File Station Enhancements:
* File operations including move, copy, and delete in the background is supported to allow users to continue their work without waiting.
* Upload files with size over 4GB is now supported4.
10. iPhone App (Free download on Apple®App Store):
* DS photo is enhanced and renamed to DS photo+. It allows users to easily browse through photos and videos on Photo Station with the thumbnail slider on the go, including interactive with friends through the photo or video comments in real time. Users can easily find out the location where the photo is taken with the built-in Google map, and they can download and store the pictures onto their iPhone/iPod touch and enjoy the flashbacks anytime anywhere. In addition, users can upload photos and videos from their iPhone/iPod touch straight to Photo Station with DS photo+.
11. Android Phone Applications5 (Free download on Google® Android Market):
* DS cam allows users who own an Android phone to live view IP cameras managed on Surveillance Station, take snapshots, and view recorded events stored on their Surveillance Station whenever network connection is available.
* DS photo+ allows users who own an Android phone to easily browse through photos and videos on Photo Station with the thumbnail slider on the go, including interactive with friends through the photo or video comments in real time. Users can easily find out the location where the photo is taken with the built-in Google map, and they can download and store the pictures onto their Android phones and enjoy the flashbacks anytime anywhere. In addition, users can upload photos and videos from their Android phone straight to Photo Station with DS photo+.
* DS audio allows users who own an Android phone to stream their own music stored on DiskStation on the go. Besides, the Remote control feature provides intuitive interface to browse through Audio Station music tank, it allows users to remote control Audio Station music playing on the attached speakers conveniently.
12. WebDAV: Web-based Distribution Authoring and Versioning is added to allow users to manage and edit files on DiskStation remotely with the support of content metadata and overwrite protection. It helps a disperse group of users around the world work on the same project as a team, which will greatly increase the effectiveness of group collaboration.
13. IPv6 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, and DS109j):
* Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) and IPv4 networks are now both supported.
* IPv6 Tunnel is supported to encapsulate IPv6 packets for delivery across an IPv4 infrastructure.
14. EZ-Internet Router Support6: More than 60 router models from Netgear, Buffalo, TP-Link, DrayTek, and other brands are now supported. View the complete list here.
15. PHP Upgrade: PHP is upgraded to 5.3.2.
16. openSSL Upgrade: openSSL is upgraded to 1.0.0.
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QUOTE(guestx @ Aug 18 2010, 07:07 AM)
Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?
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tested with DSM 3.0... still the same...
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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 18 2010, 01:29 PM)
tested with DSM 3.0... still the same...
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thanks for the info
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DSM 3.0 can run on ds110j already? Can it revert to previous 2.3 if I install this new beta version?
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Running DSM3.0 in 110J. Cannot revert to old one.

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QUOTE(Kelv @ Aug 20 2010, 02:27 PM)
DSM 3.0 can run on ds110j already? Can it revert to previous 2.3 if I install this new beta version?
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yes.

Availability

The Synology DSM 3.0 beta is free to download for users who own a DiskStation x07 series and onward. The supported models are:

DS411+, DS1010+, RS810+, RS810RP+, DS410, DS410j, DS710+, DS210+, DS210j, DS110+, DS110j, DS509+, RS409+, RS409RP+, RS409, DS409+, DS409, DS209+II, DS209+, DS209, DS209j, DS109+, DS109, DS109j, DS409slim, RS408, RS408-RP, DS508, DS408, DS108j, RS407, CS407, CS407e, DS207+, DS207, DS107+, DS107, DS107e.

this mean, who own a DiskStation x07 series and onward can use. FYI, X07 series mean this product sold at year 2007 ( mean this product had been in market for about 3 years + to 4 years old)

all Synology NAS firmware upgrade is not downgradeable.


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what is the cheapest price for NAS?
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After solving the my unifi router problem, next step would be upgrade of the NAS.
Now I am looking at these 2 Synology models, DS410 and DS410J.

Besides the faster throughput for DS410, what else I get from DS410 comparing to DS410j for paying extra rm650?

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