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post Apr 23 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Apr 23 2015, 03:54 PM)
dont mind to explain why soda is harmful for front load washers?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate
A read of soda will let you gain more knowledge and why getting a front loader are a stupid idea to begin with hmm.gif
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post May 9 2015, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeap @ May 9 2015, 01:11 AM)
Hello Kimsim,

Thanks for sharing.

NA-128VG5 RM 2349
NA-148VG4  RM2599

It seems both have inverter technology. Why the newer model is cheaper?

Do you think the "ecobubblele" is really works and how does it compare to LG's 6 motions?

Thank you

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Stripping out some expensive parts and replace with low quality stuffs will bring down the price.
Pre GST is 10% tax, post GST is 6% tax, this is another reason.
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post May 10 2015, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(carpathia @ May 9 2015, 10:37 PM)
Is this a good deal?
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Nope, considering this is just low end model.
Low end models FL WM are energy and water wasting, not to mention time needed.
But for every l of water being saved, you need to pay extra rm500-1000.
For me I still go for TL, cheaper, more energy and water savings.
Also, if you can keep the laundry for 1-2 months without washing, FL is for you. I everyday have to wash, so I can't have any down time.
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post May 10 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(carpathia @ May 10 2015, 02:39 PM)
Well,
my ultimate choice for a dryer and washer is this
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-.../na-vx93gl.html

but no way im going to plunk down 7000 for that. i dont earn that much man...
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My jaw almost dropped when it says can kill bacteria at 60°C.
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post May 10 2015, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(mrblizzard @ May 10 2015, 09:57 PM)
where do you get the price for pana washer. quite cheap compare to others.
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Usually electric appliance shops are selling cheaper than MSRP. Also cheaper than those retail chain stores.
Keyword : you need to survey your local shops.
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post May 26 2015, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeap @ May 26 2015, 03:19 AM)
Hello babyk and others,

I need some help from someone to break my “loop” thinking. I might in analysis paralysis.  rclxub.gif

First, I am just looking for Front Load (for one person) with 2 features in mind.
1) Direct Drive  2) inverter

My natural inclination is to get a LG 7kg since Samsung doesn’t have “digital inverter” in the 7kg group. So, dad and sister went to 2 big chain stores. To their surprise, they couldn’t find either LG’s MD7100WM, MD750WM on display, mostly top load. The reason I want my dad to see the product in person because I hope he is comfortable with the “control panel” due to his age.

They then proceed to 3 smaller stores, where the confusion begins. The SA started selling the 8kg because the machine can “better handle” bed sheet and comforter with only few hundred more. 

One of the stores that sells Samsung offer 2 years warranty but only carry 8kg WW80H5290EW (doesn’t have digital inverter) for RM2.3K but no WW80H5400EW (that has digital inverter), RM2.6K.

The second store that sells LG WD PD8010WM for RM2.4K can only offer “display model”. Because since GST, the sales dropped and they don’t want to stuck with more product. In Penang, there are rumors that the State Government might “subsidize” the GST so the perspective buyers might postpone their purchases.

The third store is the funniest. The SA told my sister that she doesn’t need to know the model number because all are the same. They have the LG 7KG front load and that’s what she needs to know; models within same capacity are not important.  doh.gif

My sister thought since the machine is for one person use, why care so much about the inverter to save electric. Get the RM 2.3K Samsung WW80H5290EW with 2 years warranty.

RM 1.6K – LG WD MD750WM (7kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year, Intelligent Washing)
RM 1.8K – LG WD MD7100WM (7kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year)
RM 2.3K – Samsung WW80H5290EW (8kg, 2 years)
RM 2.3K -- LG LWDMD8120WM (8kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year)
RM 2.4K – LG LWDMD8010WM (8kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year, Intelligent Washing)
RM 2.6K – Samsung WW80H5400EW (8kg, digital inverter, 2 years)

Do you have same dilemma or just me thinking too much? I didn’t even have these anxieties when I bought the all appliances at once back in '09.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.  icon_question.gif

Regards,
Kevin

P.S. I emailed Samsung, responded within 1 day. I emailed LG, no response after 3 days.
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Looking at the specs, looks like you got no big items to wash or have too much money to waste whistling.gif
Did you know that, FL WM always overrate their capacity by 30% hmm.gif
Not to mention the inverter vs non inverter power consumption.
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post May 26 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 26 2015, 07:53 AM)
Ppls got thier budget mah... Never before where got future?

If I ask you invest to buy samsung WW9000 do you willing to pay for it?
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Well, if you give me guarantee that it won't be noisy and causing high vibrations after 2 years and you will pay the exact amount and will pay the transportation cost to take the WM and send to your house, I'm much willing to waste money on Samseng's rubbish.
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post May 26 2015, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ May 26 2015, 08:34 AM)
I though you dunno what's the situation
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I know what, Samseng's TV will record consumer's discussion, air cond blower unit sure will noisy after 1-2 years, outdoor units will work like what samseng typical will do, do parties and making noise when consumer wants to sleep whistling.gif
My ears like not like yours, mine are very sensitive to noise.
If you can come out with 10 excuses to convince me on getting a Samseng to work in my house, I may consider it with the main condition is, you will absorb all the samsengs if they make problem with me thumbup.gif
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post May 26 2015, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(babyk @ May 26 2015, 11:58 AM)
For front load washer, please consider to get higher rpm, 1400rpm is better and 1200rpm is ok as the lower the rpm, it takes longer time to complete your wash. Of course, some clothes needs lower rpm to wash because if we wash at high rpm, it will cause damage to our clothes.

RM 1.6K – LG WD MD750WM (7kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year, Intelligent Washing) 1000/800/400/No Spin    Small Door
RM 1.8K – LG WD MD7100WM (7kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year) 1000/800/400/No Spin    Small Door
RM 2.3K – Samsung WW80H5290EW (8kg, 2 years)  Spin Speed 1200    Door is acceptable
RM 2.3K -- LG LWDMD8120WM (8kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year) 1400/1000/800/400/ No Spin  Door is acceptable
RM 2.4K – LG LWDMD8010WM (8kg, direct drive, inverter, 1 year, Intelligent Washing) 1400/800/400/No spin  Door is acceptable
RM 2.6K – Samsung WW80H5400EW (8kg, digital inverter, 2 years) Spin Speed 1400    Door is acceptable

For Direct Drive, both LG and Samsung has DirectDrive. In Korea, both LG and Samsung has the DD sticker. In Malaysia, the DD sticker for Samsung is not placed. But inside, both are having the same motor driver. You can read more about DirectDrive here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_drive_mechanism
Basically they are inverter technology which uses electromagnetic.

Inverter is a must for washer, as inverter uses electromagnetic to drive the drum, it uses much much much less friction than conventional belt system, so say big NO to non inverter washer in this era.

For your dad usage purpose, please be reminded that front load washer are pretty low in terms of the door and when you want to get the laundry out of the drum, you have to bend. The good thing about front load washer is, you can raise it up with pedestal
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Sadly, the pedestal is not sold in Malaysia, but I am getting directly from Korea laugh.gif thumbup.gif  rclxm9.gif

Another option to look for is comforter/bedding option wash for front load, you can still load in 7kg of bedding if you have 7kg loading washer, but, the only issue is the bedding will not be clean. This is the reason why for front load washer, the stated loading of 7kg/8kg, you can only load 1.5kg-2.0kg of bedding laundry. This is to ensure the bedding is well cleaned.

All washer can load up to the loading capacity for cotton wash, for example our daily t-shirts, shirts, with 8kg washer, you can load up to 8kg without any issue.

Edit: added DirectDrive WiKi
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Changing a belt with workmanship only rm100-150 while changing the drive need rm1000-2000 laugh.gif
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post May 26 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(babyk @ May 26 2015, 12:40 PM)
well, the belt prone to failure as the tension is high when you have high load.

the drive itself does not cost so much, it is less than RM200 laugh.gif if you know where to get it rclxm9.gif
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That's without workmanship cost. And not much spart part shops are selling also.
While the belt I can use car timing/air cond belt. That's why the shop that sold me appliance won't recommend me to buy direct drive WM even they are gaining more commission comparing to traditional belt system thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(babyk @ May 26 2015, 12:48 PM)
hehe
yes, you can use a lot of variety of belt out there, but the optimal tension is not there and it will create loud noise to the WM.

Belt system has higher noise than electromagnetic drive. This is why HDD are using electromagnetic head nowadays due to the noise, I still remember Quantum HDD, when it's writing, it sounds like SOS sound doh.gif
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Not really, most repairer are using the automotive belts. That's why the repair cost from A-Z are cheaper if send to service center to repair.
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post May 26 2015, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(babyk @ May 26 2015, 01:24 PM)
sure, everything at service centre are expensive. because they have to rent a place, buy all equipment just to service and they take into consideration of their ROI

if you are a DIY guy, you can easily fix the DD motor with RM50 laugh.gif
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Provided I can get the parts. But sadly, Seremban can't get, so still getting simple design will be lesser hassle later on.
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post May 27 2015, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(ejan_ @ May 26 2015, 11:25 PM)
After 5 yrs, my electrolux front loader (7Kg) got faulty and cost for replace door lock module, motor and labour about rm800 with 1 month warranty. Shall i proceed to repair or buy new? Technician told me that the motor seldom problem and my washing machine still can serve me well after the repair.

what i'm afraid is wasting my money since they only can offer 1 month warranty. now in dilemma whether want repair or buy new.

if buy new, can i get good 10kg front loader around 2.8K? Any other good deal that i shall look for? i'm also can consider top loader as long the machine can serve me well. hope somebody can advise me.
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If motor "seldom" has problems, then why it failed?
For a WM, regardless of FL or TL, motor is the part that will not fail, except for direct drive concept and you always put close to full load or big piece(like comforter).
Remember, a FL only can take up to 70% of its rated capacity.
Door lock module failure are quite common for FL.
20-30 years ago, Eletrolux WM are good brand, but not now.
Nowadays a TL got more preset and can do what a FL can do with a fraction of price. Getting Toshiba or Panasonic will be a good start. At least 10 years(with average close to 80% load) they won't post you any problem.
Again, still the same, don't buy a WM with direct drive, getting a WM with belt drive will be better as when it fails, you only need to change the belt(and can be done by any repairer) thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 27 2015, 12:41 PM)
My cheap Toshiba TL failed motor before.. but got 7 years or 8 years motor warranty.. replaced under warranty.
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That warranty only can be used once whistling.gif
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post May 27 2015, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 27 2015, 12:51 PM)
I think so, its a cheap WM that my mom bought, waiting for it to die, or shift it to my other house, see which occurs first. Then I will buy a new FL WM. So motor WILL fail. Regardless TL, FL, DD or BELT.
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I've damaged few WM by putting full load all the time just to show how unreliable they are.
But the WMs that I'm using that does not put on full load all the time do last longer.
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QUOTE(carpathia @ Jun 4 2015, 11:06 PM)
All Japanese front load washer dryer is more expensive compared to korean or even European on the same load due to fully imported.
Mine is the LG washer dryer front load 10.5/6kg

During dry spin quite loud.
[YOUTUBEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db3OTduK_E0]
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Louder than my 10 year old Toshiba that having belt problem whistling.gif
But this is expected from Korean brand, want cheap than sure reliability will be compromised.
Lucky you never get Samseng, it will be louder laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 5 2015, 07:13 AM)
Look at you so happy.. Even Japanese if lower budget model was the same issue too
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Yes, you are darn right on this, my low budget Toshiba do give noise, that's after 8 years of daily usage whistling.gif
But a Samseng I used before only 2 years before start giving noise, also price much higher than my Toshiba doh.gif
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Jun 5 2015, 08:50 PM)
Like this one eh?
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If you are going to wash comforter, don't waste money on any on front loaders especially from Samseng or LG.
With VRT or any marketing gimmick terms used, if you are washing heavy stuffs, it will be noisy after a year or 2. A fanboy here that always boast how superior his Samseng are only wash small items and he has a top loader as spare.
Korean brand's technology on motor bearing still 20-30 years behind of Japanese technology.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 5 2015, 09:32 PM)
laugh.gif you didn't google, even Toshiba has quit Singapore markets due to Korean bigger markets so far and Toshiba cloundn't do the well sales at all.

Nowadays all latest items would be base in Korea for the 1st place
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Most of the Japanese companies failed as they are losing their market share significantly. They lose the market share is because their product confirmed to last long. Just imagine, if you buy a Toshiba product, it last you for the next 10 years, meaning Toshiba will only see you again after 10 years.
Unlike Japanese brands, Korean brands don't last long, in average it only last 3-4 years before giving problem. By employing fanboys and spread myths that electric appliance does not last long, all people do believe this myth.
I'm still using Nokia phones, indeed it is boring, but then it can last me a solid 4 years minimum. My brother's Samseng S3 only last him for 2 years before it showing red as green, blue as red whistling.gif
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QUOTE(carpathia @ Jun 5 2015, 09:39 PM)
Problem fixed. Turns out it was the leg not properly fixed to the floor due to the uneven surface.
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Is it? mine was never aligned from day 1 but never give any problem tongue.gif

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