well well, you are "assuming" you are correct because you "assumed" i didn't read those articles? i've read 3 of 'em and that's excluding the one from this thread. most of those claims are simply base on observation. their claims are pretty much similar to yours, no actual base whatsoever.

try not to skew from the argument, ok(last paragraph)? we are accounting for accuracy here, so given that all stock darts are in their prime, given the same variables and conditions, do you actually think, that by design, one dart can be more accurate from the other? and you base your argument on those threads alone?

sorry, i'm not one who believe on baseless claims. i can hit a 500ml bottle target at 15ft with a streamline and a micro dart from a maverick but a not a LS, how does that conclude then?

Have a pleasant day.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Apr 28 2009, 09:07 AM

note that my argument was that all the darts avg out to have the same accuracy. baseless general consensus doesn't really prove much. that's how politicians gets corrupted, why our police force is crappy, why teenagers follow trends - because it is base on general consensus. come to think of it, it's not really a good thing.

err....sorry if you think that. i was being sarcastic . and no i don't think it's "cool" in any level.

have you any idea how is it tested? the variables, the condition(range, force exerted, flight speed, even luck)? seriously the darts were not design for accuracy in the 1st place. please direct your attention to the bolded statement below and answer it.
also direct you attention to this sheet: http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/nerf-ammo-chart.pdf

note where it's from. last i checked awesome>super. if the creator claims otherwise, where lies the fact then? . heck, i won't even believe hasbro's claim. i'm sorry you don't have your own opinion though.

i'm not trying to be a b1tch or anything. why not you guys just try it? 2 taggers, 2 streams and 2 micros in a maverick. target range ~15ft and firing at the same angle. see which one has more accuracy. increase the target's range. at around 20ft you'll see that the micros will start to arc. does that mean micros has less accuracy? no, it's just that the micros is out of its optimum/effective range.

i believe my point here is valid, eventhough it's against the crowd.

did i say we should believe hasbro? i am well aware of marketing scheme.

take a look at the graph below if you didn't actually bother to test my suggestion on my last post. i've created it as a reference.


the graph denote accuracy/range. if all the variables and conditions are the same, all the compared dart would have the same accuracy. this is if the target is within their(the dart) optimum/effective range threshold(the lowest of the 3). once you go over this range, it is not a proper comparison anymore since streamline can go further than most. the heavier darts will arc before the streamline. remember we a comparing dart accuracy here, not guns.

a LS firing streamlines is not comparable to a maverick firing streamline. sure a streamline fired from a LS would go haywire since the force exerted is just too much. especially true as the range increases. but below the effective threshold, it could still maintain its trajectory.

as i said try mixing up 3 types of stock darts inside a maverick and fire away. you'll noticed the graph formation to be accurate.

ps: i just think of an analogy(man i'm so free today). a 9mm ammo would have the same accuracy as a 7.62mm within the 9mm's effective range(IF fired from the same gun, although not really possible). you can't compare them the other way around as the 9mm can't go as far as a 7.62mm.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Apr 29 2009, 05:22 PM

you should've just bought 1 longshot. it's more fun than flimsy recon.

how much is a firefly nowadays, since the price hike.

why, is the barrel shorter than maverick's?

why are you cutting from the front? drilling from the rear of the plunger is a lot easier. plus, i keep the plunger integrity intact.

have you add an extra o-ring to the plunger? that'll help give some extra compression.

well, longshot is underpowered out of the box. it's really not worth it until you remove the air restrictor.

what, still not convince by my graph?

i didn't even see your counter argument on it. quite disappointed really.

please then show me how you measure the accuracy of projectiles then? please, fork out some effort in your argument.

note that my argument is that the darts accuracy average out to be the same given the same variable, NOT that streamlines are more accurate.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Jun 19 2009, 01:26 AM

i direct your attention to the area within the red square.



checking at what i was arguing about, that was the whole point of my chart. shots within the minimal effective range. i'd say my chart isn't that far off. so my rubbish talk actually has validity in it.

streamline misses at 3 meters? something seems wrong, 3 meters is just too short a range for a miss.

i must thank you though for providing a proper argument instead of just talks(although the test results is from someone else). i'd give you some respect if you were a tad polite, but i guess not.

please o please quote me on where did i actually claimed that statement in bold? (who is doing the bullshitting here?)

...and here i am believing you "actually" understood the actual argument. sorry for over estimating you.

again....quote me on that. please.

clearly you either choose to NOT read what my argument was about or just plain can't understand it. you claim me saying one thing but can't prove i said it?

i don't mind debating, but when the other parties tried to put words in my mouth, it's just too....LOW .

for the record:
and at least i have provided my OWN reason why i think it is so. by my OWN research, observation and testing.

seriously, debating is healthy. but it has become a tad childish here.

please present a better argument to debate with. you simply "assume" i didn't do any test? you begin to bore me. what next? name calling?

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Jun 25 2009, 08:23 PM

let me guess, you removed the dart holder along with the AR didn't you?

you're not suppose to remove the dart holder. quoting myself from this thread:

funny, my longshot is pretty cool. i want to PM you, but let's make this discussion public. maybe you should browse this thread from the 1st page.

i was wondering that too.

just got a raider a few days back after a long hiatus from nerf. i'm still dumb founded that i got my raider at rm139.90 at Carrefour, while TRU, metrojaya, parkson are all selling at rm159.90 (which was the original price IIRC). plus, mine is the value pack, with 70darts. . the only thing better is the clear version, but i couldn't find any .

originally wanted to get an AT, but after seeing that it's kinda hard to slam fire with it without a handle, i opted for the raider.

anyone know where i can get the pin-point sight attachment? longshot's scope looks fugly on a raider.

it's just one drum, but double the darts count. beats buying at TRU . although now i don't really know what to do with the extra 35 since i already have 22 from my longshot.

yeah i know AT can slam fire, but without a handle it's not too comfortable in my view.

add alpha trooper, spectre and a few more.

any one has an intact air restrictor from raider or maverick? i wanna buy it. got some mod idea.