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eugene jk
post Oct 4 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(cody99 @ Oct 4 2010, 05:09 PM)
The best part is, it make it in thestar paper....
i wonder what the editor doing.
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editor also dunno anything??? hmm.gif


Added on October 4, 2010, 5:12 pm
QUOTE(hakon @ Oct 4 2010, 04:42 PM)
kekeke... you are much more direct than me... at least when i replied to him, i was polite... smile.gif
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Where is ur reply? got link ah? drool.gif

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post Oct 4 2010, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Oct 4 2010, 06:11 PM)
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Where is ur reply? got link ah?  drool.gif
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post 1046 of this thread... smile.gif
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post Oct 4 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(hakon @ Oct 4 2010, 05:29 PM)
post 1046 of this thread... smile.gif
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i tot u replied thru "The Star" mah .. lol...
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post Oct 5 2010, 10:06 AM

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Site line a little....

Since China & HK has set so many restriction on property investment, do you think mainland chinese will invest in Singapore and Malaysia?

or it is happening now?
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post Oct 5 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(hakon @ Oct 4 2010, 04:42 PM)
kekeke... you are much more direct than me... at least when i replied to him, i was polite... smile.gif
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What can I say, the best policy is an honest policy wink.gif


Added on October 5, 2010, 11:00 am
QUOTE(cody99 @ Oct 5 2010, 10:06 AM)
Site line a little....

Since China & HK has set so many restriction on property investment, do you think mainland chinese will invest in Singapore and Malaysia?

or it is happening now?
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SG is an international destination.... so yes. MY, not so much altho there's a small influx of them coming over simply bcoz they think our props is too cheap...... wink.gif

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post Oct 5 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Oct 5 2010, 10:58 AM)

Added on October 5, 2010, 11:00 am
SG is an international destination.... so yes. MY, not so much altho there's a small influx of them coming over simply bcoz they think our props is too cheap......  wink.gif
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Can i say:
To oversea investor, our property is dirt cheap.
To local, our property is sky high expensive.
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post Oct 6 2010, 08:11 AM

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In KL, a property bubble's waiting to burst

    Bubble and Bubbles. Here is a picture of Michael Jackson's pet chimpanzee BUBBLES, a word  synonymous with our property market, with residential loans now accounting for 27 per cent of all loans for banks.

    BUBBLES has a new home at a Florida primate sanctuary. Malaysians, though, are finding it hard to buy a home.

    The Malay Mail's Marhalim Abbas writes there is an artificial property bubble in the making, with bankers and developers working hand in glove . Rear his piece H E R E.

    The government's own National Property Information Center (NAPCI)'s data show average prices for homes rose 19 per cent in the first half of this year from a year ago while in Kuala Lumpur prices have soared by more than 35 per cent. The NAPCI's Property Overhang reports disturbingly show unsold properties rose to 22.6 per cent of new launches in the second quarter of this year.

    Unsold homes, and rising prices!!!

    Are banks and developers making BUBBLES out of us?

    Who is going to bear the brunt of the burn when the music stops playing at the property party?


http://rockybru.com.my/2010/10/in-kl-prope...g-to-burst.html

hurmm...editor of the Malay Mail thought on Malaysian property bubble
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(interferens @ Oct 6 2010, 08:11 AM)
http://rockybru.com.my/2010/10/in-kl-prope...g-to-burst.html

hurmm...editor of the Malay Mail thought on Malaysian property bubble
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There seems to be many articles coming out now regarding potential bubbles in KL and KV. IMHO it's to late and those bubbles have been here for some time, the general public is just now waking up to it. KL and some locations in KV have been clearly following the lead of our western buddies and Asian counterparts. This was inevitable and isnt new.

The banks - developers are the enablers. Policy chatter on regulations is just that, chatter. By the time any of these go into play, the bubble will be in full force if not already popped. This is the trend, spend till the end!

Now that the masses are finding it hard to justify the Unaffordable cost of home ownership and the momentum against it is becoming main stream and great press however when housing gets to a point of 8.0x income and greater the purchases have all been made out of emotion and greed so there lies the tipping point of all RE bubbles or bubbles in general.

The correction will come in KL and those prime locations in KV. To when, not sure but can tell you that between now and November mid term elections in US is a good indicator.

New rounds of QE are happening in US, EUROPE and JAPAN. Currency devaluation and debasement will continue and stock markets are due for a correction downward. Trade wars between China/US are inevitable as well which is the last thing China wants right now.

To believe in a recovery is to believe in the impossible. A recovery must be felt by the average consumer, not written in the MSM and preached by our governement.

Dont worry about IF Malaysian regulation comes into play, it will be to late and furthermore the world markets correcting will lead to our correction.


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post Oct 6 2010, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(cody99 @ Oct 5 2010, 05:21 PM)
Can i say:
To oversea investor, our property is dirt cheap.
To local, our property is sky high expensive.
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Foreign buyers making their way to our shores

INVESTORS in overheated markets may be arriving.

Those in Singapore and in China – which have introduced fresh rounds of property cooling measures such as limitations on loans and options for affordable properties – are eyeing good buys in other parts of Asia and the United Kingdom, industry specialists observed.

Hong Kong-based property investment firm IP Global Ltd – which has US$800 million (RM2.48 billion) of assets under management – said Malaysia might offer “the best option” for buyers thanks to its steady market, better yields, sensible tax system and easy access to loans.

The firm disclosed it has achieved double-digit returns on capital for its properties here.

Currently, it has about 500 properties in Kuala Lumpur enjoying 96 per cent occupancy and is poised to increase its investments in residential and commercial space in the next three months.

“There’s still medium-term capital growth without the scariness of a boom-bust mentality because the country regulates its property sales quite carefully,” said managing director Tim Murphy, envisaging the market’s robust performance in the second half of 2010 to continue through 2012.

Strong foreign investments and dynamic urbanisation will drive the Malaysian market while its growing number of the “aspirational young” – the under-35 who dream of buying their own home – will support rental rates, Murphy elaborated.

However, he thinks Malaysia is unlikely to rival Singapore, Hong Kong and China’s main cities in the long term although it will be a credible alternative and a notch higher than the Philippines and Thailand.

“Buyers can expect a yield of between five and 6.5 per cent for residential properties and a range of seven to 10 per cent for commercial,” he noted, recommending investment in apartments near transport facilities and schools instead of houses in areas such as KL, Bukit Ceylon and Mont’ Kiara.

Earlier in June, online property research house Global Property Guide singled out Malaysia as its preferred property investment destination in Asia, citing real estate is overvalued in most countries in the region except ours.

Malaysia’s other plus points, it noted, include macroeconomic stability, consistently strong gross domestic product growth, low debt, sound banking system, and international reserves at a healthy nine months of retained imports.

Source : New Straits Times Property
Date Published : 04 October 2010
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post Oct 6 2010, 07:36 PM

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which one to believe?

i think better believe in ourselves...only time will tell us
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post Oct 6 2010, 07:55 PM

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sure or not this property bubble? wait until got janggut & cucu only can burst izit yawn.gif
but this massive liquidity by world govt is fun! cool2.gif
for me alredi diversified into bonds & those etf instrument during the market pullback whistling.gif
just riding & wait for black swan rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Onemorething @ Oct 6 2010, 09:14 AM)
There seems to be many articles coming out now regarding potential bubbles in KL and KV.  IMHO it's to late and those bubbles have been here for some time, the general public is just now waking up to it.  KL and some locations in KV have been clearly following the lead of our western buddies and Asian counterparts.  This was inevitable and isnt new.

The banks - developers are the enablers.  Policy chatter on regulations is just that, chatter.  By the time any of these go into play, the bubble will be in full force if not already popped.  This is the trend, spend till the end!

Now that the masses are finding it hard to justify the Unaffordable cost of home ownership and the momentum against it is becoming main stream and great press however when housing gets to a point of 8.0x income and greater the purchases have all been made out of emotion and greed so there lies the tipping point of all RE bubbles or bubbles in general.

The correction will come in KL and those prime locations in KV.  To when, not sure but can tell you that between now and November mid term elections in US is a good indicator. 

New rounds of QE are happening in US, EUROPE and JAPAN.  Currency devaluation and debasement will continue and stock markets are due for a correction downward.  Trade wars between China/US are inevitable as well which is the last thing China wants right now.

To believe in a recovery is to believe in the impossible.  A recovery must be felt by the average consumer, not written in the MSM and preached by our governement.

Dont worry about IF Malaysian regulation comes into play, it will be to late and furthermore the world markets correcting will lead to our correction.
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post Oct 7 2010, 12:02 PM

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Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware?
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RPGT going to increase to 30% in budget 2011

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...rt=1007bs01.txt
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QUOTE(jalsrix @ Oct 7 2010, 06:06 PM)
RPGT going to increase to 30% in budget 2011

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...rt=1007bs01.txt
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Looks like we're on track to a full reinstatement of RPGT. That's good for the health of the market, but bad for speculators and those that bought in before this.
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post Oct 8 2010, 01:22 AM

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damn,
i'm planning to sell my house that i bought this year...if this news is true...there goes 30% of my profits
hopefully i manage to sell it this year and not be afeected with this new rpgt
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once implemented BBB scenario will be gone. no more fully sold before launch. laugh.gif
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For those who believe in rental, do take a look at this brief explanation from a guru.

http://www.starproperty.my/PropertyGuide/Finance/7358/0/0

May be we should keep our mouth shut so there will be more tenants around biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Oct 8 2010, 11:50 AM)
For those who believe in rental, do take a look at this brief explanation from a guru.

http://www.starproperty.my/PropertyGuide/Finance/7358/0/0

May be we should keep our mouth shut so there will be more tenants around biggrin.gif.
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yes, the calculation is simple, but i have some comments here
1st - we are talking about investment, but peter is not a investor.
2nd - i currently believe in rental is due to the current property market, the price is to high, i better keep my cash for some high return & liquidity investment. so that when the time is come or i have more cash in hand, then i just go for own a house.
3rd - Peter rent house from Richie, then where do Richie live? Comparison should always base on 2 person that totally equal. if let say peter rent a room from Richie, do u think that the rental will enough to cover the Richie’s monthly bank installments?
4th - the risk is not calculate inside. the rate is alway changing, house price may up or down.
5th - this example is good for ppl that totally not believe in investment, but not for investor that rent a house.

just my 2cent biggrin.gif
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Wondering is it reasonable for property price to be as high as now..Should i get property now or later?
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Oct 8 2010, 11:50 AM)
For those who believe in rental, do take a look at this brief explanation from a guru.

http://www.starproperty.my/PropertyGuide/Finance/7358/0/0

May be we should keep our mouth shut so there will be more tenants around biggrin.gif.
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What is with these Star Property writers. My 9 year old can write a more comprehensive article.

Using RE for inflation hedging is OVER! In the western world for a decade or longer and in Asia (guessing 3 years).

The age of the house in the West is done.

The age of liquidity is here!

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