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Financial Is property going to drop?, General property price discussion
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cloudwan0
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Sep 22 2010, 04:03 PM
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just read a news from newspaper the 80% loan will only apply for the 3rd house buyer 1st and 2nd house buyer still remain 90% loan if this rule apply, what will happen for the next few months? price increase b4 the rule apply and price drop after the rule apply?
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teoanne
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Sep 22 2010, 04:08 PM
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is this a 'rule' now? did bank negara announce this officially?
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cloudwan0
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Sep 22 2010, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(teoanne @ Sep 22 2010, 04:08 PM) is this a 'rule' now? did bank negara announce this officially? not yet, it is from out prime minister naji Speaking on the proposal to impose 80 per cent loan-to-value ratio for home buyers, Najib said: "We have discussed with BNM. There is no intention of reducing the limits for first time and second time buyers. So, they can borrow up to 90 per cent. "It's only for those who might use it for speculative reasons, which means for third and fourth home buyers," he explained. He added there might be a limit imposed by BNM. sos
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hakon
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Sep 22 2010, 05:11 PM
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any idea if loans for commercial property will be affected too?
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KKZ
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Sep 22 2010, 05:15 PM
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i duno wor..but what i saw is.. the price keep on increase.. btw i mean my uncle's property
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hakon
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Sep 22 2010, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 19 2010, 05:50 AM) ...5. Like everything else, property market follows a cycle. Eventually, a crash will happen and you'll be proven right. When it does, majority of the properties will drop in prices. This we all know. But there will be some properties resilent enough, and resist the drop. So since this is a property investors forum and not a "bad news" forum and since your goodself is also an investor..............care to share which properties you think will be worth holding through out the drop? ... but it seems that this cycle is very very long... when did the up-swing start? it's been a long while and has not shown serious signs of reversing...  also, bubble or not, it will only burst if majority of buyers are speculators who cannot hold... i think there are some such speculators around but i also think a huge portion of buyers are investors who can also hold if prices drop... so i personally think that there may be a small down-swing... but it will not be a crash.
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Pai
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Sep 22 2010, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(hakon @ Sep 22 2010, 05:20 PM) but it seems that this cycle is very very long... when did the up-swing start? it's been a long while and has not shown serious signs of reversing...  also, bubble or not, it will only burst if majority of buyers are speculators who cannot hold... i think there are some such speculators around but i also think a huge portion of buyers are investors who can also hold if prices drop... so i personally think that there may be a small down-swing... but it will not be a crash.  Actually our prop market (KV)'s growth has been minimal for quite some time. The only real upswing we've seen from 2005 ............happens late 2009 to date. I reckon areas/development whereby prop prices has gone up above average by at least 20% in the last 12 months will be the worst hit in the impending correction. As they say, the faster you climb............the harder it'll hit you when it falls apart........
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SUSahter
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Sep 22 2010, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Pai @ Sep 22 2010, 07:26 PM) Actually our prop market (KV)'s growth has been minimal for quite some time. The only real upswing we've seen from 2005 ............happens late 2009 to date. I reckon areas/development whereby prop prices has gone up above average by at least 20% in the last 12 months will be the worst hit in the impending correction. As they say, the faster you climb............the harder it'll hit you when it falls apart........  worth to buy new landed property which is under construction now (due for completion in the next 1.5 years) or better wait for correction to happen to those secondary properties ???
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hakon
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Sep 22 2010, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(ahter @ Sep 22 2010, 10:58 PM) worth to buy new landed property which is under construction now (due for completion in the next 1.5 years) or better wait for correction to happen to those secondary properties ??? i was told back in (around) 96 that property prices have gone up too high... i remember that time i wanted to get my first property in usj16... then a few years later they said property prices have gone crazy when damansara utama and bander utama start going to around rm400k... and a few years later when i wanted to buy esplanad at rm500+, they said crazy for bukit jalil... then they said crazy at rm400 for kinrara 9... so far everyone keep saying crazy crazy crazy.... but those who bought anyway can laugh their way to the bank now... in fact just last year i wanted to get a unit in mutiara bukit jalil for rm580k and in sutera bukit jalil for around rm800k... both i didn't proceed... but i did get some others which are doing ok too...  i'm not saying it won't crash... we just don't know when... so buy if you feel the property and price is right... This post has been edited by hakon: Sep 22 2010, 10:43 PM
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0106127
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Sep 22 2010, 11:17 PM
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hakon...just buy buy and buy k...
the 80% rule.. not official. need clarification if it happen.
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Onemorething
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Sep 22 2010, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(prody @ Sep 22 2010, 03:12 PM) There must be a lot of people still out there thinking about this question, definitely more then when the thread was started in 2008. In general of course some property prices have already dropped, some will drop and some won't. It depends on too many factors. Anyway, I'd like to offer some advice for people buying for own stay. When you are buying for own stay, please take a long time comparing new and older properties in your target location. An older property in the same neighborhood might be a lot cheaper. You are going to pay for it and live there for a long period of time. Make sure you actually love what you are buying. Don't just buy because there is some cheap financing option. It might be better to save up some money and buy a cheaper place somewhere else a bit later. My advise, if you have time, would be to rent around your target location first if you don't know it so well. If you are an investor you must know more then me so I can't give you any advice but can wish you good luck.  Some sound advice, try before you buy! Location, location, location then if the structure is sound!
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BRAIBRISE
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Sep 23 2010, 05:16 PM
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I do found nowadays some subsale properties is cheaper than the new......
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xSean
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Sep 23 2010, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(BRAIBRISE @ Sep 23 2010, 05:16 PM) I do found nowadays some subsale properties is cheaper than the new...... where?
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Pai
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Sep 23 2010, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(BRAIBRISE @ Sep 23 2010, 05:16 PM) I do found nowadays some subsale properties is cheaper than the new...... Just be mindfull of "artificial benchmark"....
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bkfeng89
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Sep 23 2010, 11:52 PM
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Its all the developers' fault! (as well as the government, banks, and agents.)
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0106127
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Sep 25 2010, 01:59 AM
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seriously i dont think there is any effects on the property market if the 3rd property can only be financed at 80%
also.. how do you define 3rd property. no clarification from BNM and its not official
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hakon
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Sep 25 2010, 12:18 PM
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gomen talk talk now... but i suspect still internal discussion and arguments... probably (my opinion only) announce in the budget for next year in october.
i think a lot to consider... e.g. i have 1 property (my own name) and 1 property (share with wife). if wife and i want to buy a new property, is that considered 3rd property for me and 2nd property for wife? if want to take shared loan, how? kekeke...
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stargate
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Sep 25 2010, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(hakon @ Sep 25 2010, 12:18 PM) gomen talk talk now... but i suspect still internal discussion and arguments... probably (my opinion only) announce in the budget for next year in october. i think a lot to consider... e.g. i have 1 property (my own name) and 1 property (share with wife). if wife and i want to buy a new property, is that considered 3rd property for me and 2nd property for wife? if want to take shared loan, how? kekeke... I think that would be considered the third property based on your name. Govn always talk first, implementation is another problem. Time will tell if this will be implemented.
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cranx
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Sep 27 2010, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE EARLIER this year, a relative of mine managed to sell his Bukit Sentosa house after four years. Its closest town is Rawang.
He decided to relocate back to Petaling Jaya. But property prices have gone up so much that he now has to rent. In his late 40s, he hopes he does not have to go on renting.
But even if he were to get a suitable place, there may be problems with financing because of his age.
This relative belongs to a group of people who will be retiring soon but who do not yet have a roof over their heads. He is what developers and bank officers would call “a genuine house buyer.”
With property prices going up since the second half of last year, what are his chances of having his own home? Dicey.
Therein lies the problem in today’s property market. On one hand, there is the low interest rate. On the other is easy credit. Yet both are not helping him.
On the flip side, it is encouraging many to speculate. These two factors – low interest rates and easy financing – are supported by various schemes that are being promoted by developers.
Among the most popular is the 5/95 scheme, or variations of it, which started early last year. A buyer merely pays 5% of the price of the house and does not have to pay anything until he takes the keys. All interest payments are “absorbed” by the developer (Psst! The interest is priced into the value of the house).
Some schemes do not require mortgage payments until the sixth year of purchase. One developer requires a downpayment of only RM5,000 and no more because it also offers a 10% rebate, which buyers can “use” on signing the sale and purchase agreement.
No payment is required until completion of the property and this RM5,000 is used to pay for utility deposits and maintenance deposit. Whatever is left is “refunded” to the buyer. Such schemes encourage speculation.
While Singapore has banned them, developers here are still rushing to launch their projects using this form of financing. Early this week, there were talks of increasing down payments to 20% or even 30%.
While this will not weed out speculation completely, it will serve as a deterrent. Such a move will also help the banking sector indirectly.
Out of every loan approved by banks today, one-in-three to one-in-two is a property-related loan. This compares with one-in-five prior to the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis.
With such a huge exposure to the property sector, in the event prices become unsustainable, the banking system will be adversely affected.
At the beginning of the 21st century, US banks gave loans to home buyers who would normally not have been given credit.
These borrowers were allowed to buy houses by paying slightly more than normal rates, often with floating interest rates that rise and fall with the general market. The relaxing of credit standards led to ever-increasing house prices.
Many bought homes they could not afford, but assumed that the rising property market would help to cover their loan commitments, which would allow them to refinance later on, once the value of the house climbs up.
When the bubble burst, house prices fell and so did the banks. This became what is currently known as the US subprime mortgage crisis.
With today’s easy credit and these 5/95 and 10/90 schemes, something similar seems to be happening here in Malaysia.
There is also the absence of housing between the RM250,000 and RM300,000 price range. Even a studio apartment of about 650 sq ft can cost about half a million ringgit.
Developers justify their penchant for building high-end launches with the rising cost of building materials and the desire for lifestyle living. Not every one is seeking after that dream home. Certainly not that relative of mine.
● Assistant news editor Thean Lee Cheng thinks it’s time to nip speculation in the bud. http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...58&sec=business
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dreamer101
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Sep 27 2010, 07:26 AM
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10k Club
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QUOTE(cranx @ Sep 27 2010, 03:46 AM) cranx, The KEY to a REAL and SERIOUS real estate bubble is the abandonment of the 28% rule. Aka, bank not allowed to make loan to people with the monthly repayment exceeding 28% of their income. This rule was dropped in USA about 20 years ago. Until this happened, the bubble in Malaysia will never be as serious as what is happening in USA... Even in the 10/90 or 5/95 rule, I believe that the buyer still have to qualify for loan under the 28% rule... Please correct me if I am wrong... Dreamer
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