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 Abolish UPSR and PMR , Do u Agree ? Come Vote

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cherriedpie
post Jul 17 2008, 06:37 PM

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dont abolish upsr and pmr. make it harder instead.
stop spoiling the future generation.
and i'm a form 5.
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post Jul 17 2008, 08:11 PM

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even with UPSR and PMR or even SPM or STPM... there still QUOTA problem occurring ... y even bother... score 100As in SPM still cant get a place in local UNI...
abolish these exam make no different... unless the ministry of education change the system of education... like HK or singapore or USA style... dun 100% base on exam but 50% exam and 50% activities...(which mostly Chinese will participate...)
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QUOTE(jepertine90 @ Jul 17 2008, 08:11 PM)
unless the ministry of education change the system of education... like HK or singapore or USA style... dun 100% base on exam but 50% exam and 50% activities...


Hopefully one day.
I have a friend in UK. He told me that many youngsters with the age around 25 already reached their PHDs and their knowledge are far better than us. Why ?
I still vote to continue to have UPSR & PMR. Examination is one of the best test to students' intelligent standard. But, the recent standard needed to be increased.

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jul 17 2008, 08:27 PM
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post Jul 17 2008, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Jul 17 2008, 12:26 PM)
Hopefully one day.
I have a friend in UK. He told me that many youngsters with the age around 25 already reached their PHDs and their knowledge are far better than us. Why ?
I still vote to continue to have UPSR & PMR. Examination is one of the best test to students' intelligent standard. But, the recent standard needed to be increased.
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phd has nothing to do with how lower education is.

they are doing phd bcoz of job prospects - if u want to become an industry leader at a young age, phd is a way to go. u jump into research, publish a paper in a journal, and u're set for life. in malaysia, we dont have the same motivation or prospect bcoz our industry are not into research yet. meaning if u have a phd in malaysia, the best place to profit from it is in the universities. not much place for u to go with a phd in malaysia.

it's like singing opera. even if u have the perfect voice for opera, u cant survive in malaysia bcoz there's virtually no market for it. but if u're in italy, that's a different story.



so again, phd has nothing to do with how lower education is.
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post Jul 17 2008, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jul 17 2008, 08:36 PM)
Phd has nothing to do with how lower education is.
The definition of Phd is as :

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... and I never mean without Phd is considered as "lower educated", but it does showing out a higher education standard of a person.
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No offense .... and back to the topic, please.

I vote for "No abolish".

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post Jul 17 2008, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Jul 17 2008, 01:00 PM)
The definition of Phd is as :

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... and I never mean without Phd is considered as "lower educated", but it does showing out a higher education standard of a person.
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No offense .... and back to the topic, please.

I vote for "No abolish".
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i am doing a phd right now, so i know very well what it means wink.gif.

when i say lower education, i'm referring to UPSR and PMR, which is ur point. u argue that according to ur friend in the UK, their lower education is better despite having no UPSR or PMR. then u relate to how they supposedly did their PhD as a result of having good lower education.

i disagree with this (refer to my arguments). lower education (UPSR, PMR, SPM, STPM) have little effect over how some people obtain their PhDs. if i were to convert my results (so that it's relevant to current grades), my SPM is 4A, 2B, 2C and 1D. how could one with such crappy results sit for a PhD, right?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jul 17 2008, 09:31 PM)
... my SPM is 4A, 2B, 2C and 1D. how could one with such crappy results sit for a PhD, right?
Is this result considered as poor ?? hmm.gif

To make it clear ... when I meant PMR standard is low, I meant it these few years
( 2005 onwards). I know it because I have experience in education field.


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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Jul 17 2008, 01:52 PM)
Is this result considered as poor ??  hmm.gif

To make it clear ... when I meant  PMR standard is low, I meant it these few years
( 2005 onwards). I know it because I have experience in education field.
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i hear u. i'm just focusing on the PhD part. PhD and lower education is not directly related.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jul 17 2008, 09:58 PM)
i hear u. i'm just focusing on the PhD part. PhD and lower education is not directly related.
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ok ... ok ... if one day,a conversation between my PMR student and I.
Student - S, me -I
S: Teacher, I want to get a PhD in the future. Do I need to get a good result in PMR?
I: Not really. Just try your best.
S: If I failed ... can I still study for PhD?
I: Yes. But, don't failed in SPM.
S: I C. Must I get an excellent result in SPM?
I: Not really. A result around 4A or more is good enough.
S:Ok. Understand. PhD and PMR is not directly related, right?
I:Well ... * hmm.gif pause*. Yarr .. h wink.gif
S:Why should I study PMR then?
I:It's just a process towards SPM.
--------------- *hahaha ... just a joke* -----------------

I still agree to have UPSR and PMR, not matter how, students must go through it.
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post Jul 18 2008, 04:21 AM

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PETALING JAYA: The Malaysian Examinations Syndicate (MES) has proposed the abolishment of two major public examinations – the Ujian Pencapaian Sekolah Rendah (UPSR) in Year Six and the Penilaian Menengah Rendah (PMR) in Form Three.

Its director Datuk Dr Adi Badiozaman Tuah said there would be no public examination at the primary and lower secondary levels following the proposed introduction of school-based assessment.

“If this is approved, the UPSR will be conducted for the last time in 2012 and the PMR in 2015,” he said.

The MES has proposed five forms of assessment for students in the national education system. These will be piloted in the 30 pioneer cluster schools next year. They are:

# SCHOOL assessment – planned, developed, conducted, examined and reported by teachers in schools.

# CENTRAL assessment – involving standards, instruments, data analyses and guidelines provided by the MES.

# CENTRAL examination – fully conducted by the MES.

# PSYCHOMETRIC tests – used to measure students’ innate abilities.

# PHYSICAL activity assessment – used to evaluate and measure students’ performance and involvement in extra-curricular activities.

The MES has recommended that only the Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia for Form Five students be retained as a public, central examination at the upper secondary level.

Under the proposed move, Dr Adi said, various methods would be used to gather data about students’ growth and development, performance and achievement.

“We will empower teachers to conduct school-based assessment and give them the tools and training to carry it out effectively.

“School assessment will be given due recognition and acknowledgement,” he said after delivering the keynote address at a forum on educational assessment here yesterday.

According to Dr Adi, the ultimate aim is to reduce over-reliance and over-dependence on data obtained through centralised public examinations for information about students.

MES is devising psychometric tests which will be introduced in schools to help teachers gather data on their students – including their innate abilities, strengths, weaknesses, talents, aptitudes, attitudes, personalities and interests – to understand them better,

“There has been too much attention given to public examinations. School is now looked upon as a process of preparing students for public examinations. School assessment has lost significance and the outcome is not taken into account in students’ final grade,” said Dr Adi.

He added that the current assessment used was not holistic enough.

“The focus should not only be on academic aspects. We should also assess students’ personal and character development and involvement in extra-curricular activities.”
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...8399&sec=nation

Perhaps this articles could spurs the discussion
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now it is open 2 corruption and more discrimination.... last time the marker wont know whose paper is that.. now...gg
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i choose no.

why want to abolish these 2 exams? they have their own purpose, and until now i dun see disadvantage for both exam.
maybe some will said no use, but try to think positively, as like other have said before, the purpose is to test students performance based on their level respectively.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 17 2008, 05:51 PM)
Even with PMR and UPSR around, students still lazy and dun wanna work hard...Imagine if there are no exams..
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yeah man..what's the point going school but got no exam..i think student doesn't bother going to school either if no exam..
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post Jul 18 2008, 09:30 AM

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shouldn't be abolished...
consider learning with no goals...
people wont take learning serious without these test...
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QUOTE(asusfreak @ Jul 18 2008, 09:30 AM)
shouldn't be abolished...
consider learning with no goals...
people wont take learning serious without these test...
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QUOTE(ejat @ Jul 18 2008, 08:52 AM)
yeah man..what's the point going school but got no exam..i think student doesn't bother going to school either if no exam..
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QUOTE(skylineGTR @ Jul 18 2008, 08:44 AM)
i choose no.

why want to abolish these 2 exams? they have their own purpose, and until now i dun see disadvantage for both exam.
maybe some will said no use, but try to think positively, as like other have said before, the purpose is to test students performance based on their level respectively.
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Have any of you even tried to read the article as posted here in this thread?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=18647877

In short, exams are as a method of assessment. However exams are not the only method of assessment. The point here is to look at different assessment methods, and to ponder on the pros and cons of each type. Its not as if the abolishment of exams is for the main reason of doing away with assessments altogether here, as is implied by these 3 posts here.



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post Jul 19 2008, 10:47 AM

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ABOLISH matriculation. no fair for 90% bumis take freaking easier exams...
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QUOTE(loveuallso @ Jul 19 2008, 10:47 AM)
ABOLISH matriculation. no fair for 90% bumis take freaking easier exams...
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I don't know. Is their paper easier ?
90% of bumis ? whoa! that's a very high percentage. blink.gif
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matriculation shld b abolish,those from matric are really bring the local university standard down.

Doing a experiment w/o knowing wad is beaker.....dis kind of standard....shld go back secondary or even primary schl.

**Express MARA r even worse,form 5 straight enter Local uni,the so-called elite,but i dun see any of them r doing well.

P/S :: These 2 r almost 100% for bumis,UM not even in top 200 dy(THES last year world ranking),other are even worse....as far we can see(if u got eyes),our local uni ranking r only dropping yr by yr.
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make it harder and raise the grade of the A for the subject.....
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QUOTE(litaco @ Jul 19 2008, 05:40 AM)
matriculation shld b abolish,those from matric are really bring the local university standard down.

Doing a experiment w/o knowing wad is beaker.....dis kind of standard....shld go back secondary or even primary schl.

**Express MARA r even worse,form 5 straight enter Local uni,the so-called elite,but i dun see any of them r doing well.

P/S :: These 2 r almost 100% for bumis,UM not even in top 200 dy(THES last year world ranking),other are even worse....as far we can see(if u got eyes),our local uni ranking r only dropping yr by yr.
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do u have proof that matric students are really bringing local unis down? how many matric leaver doesnt know what beaker is? all of them? or just one or two that u've met? how about lousy STPM students that i've taught? should we take into account as crappy STPM system as well?

when u dont see them doing well, doesnt mean they dont exist.

and finally, UM was never even supposed to be in the 200 list in the first place. it was a miscalculation by THES themselves that assumed the chinese students were international students from mainland china, when infact they were all chinese malaysians. same goes with USM. people always shouting about how UM have dropped - but they didnt know that they're not supposed to be there in the first place.



i'm not for matrics, but when u're trying to prove a point, make sure u have the bigger picture.

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